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  • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

    Originally posted by jacksfaninne View Post
    The rule of thumb I've always heard is: 1/3 starters/major contributors; 1/3 contribute, but might not start; 1/3 disappear (injuries, grades, other issues, etc.)
    This is probably pretty accurate if you went back and did some research. It is minimizing the 1/3 disappear category and turning them into one of the other two groups that sets good programs from great.

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    • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

      Sounds like on the FCS level SDSU and UNI are still in the running for Hull. Still looking at Princeton. Wisconsin and Northwestern on FBS level. Sounds like they are currently offering PWO.

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      • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

        Originally posted by JACKGUYII View Post
        Sounds like on the FCS level SDSU and UNI are still in the running for Hull. Still looking at Princeton. Wisconsin and Northwestern on FBS level. Sounds like they are currently offering PWO.
        Probably going to have to play the waiting game until February on him.

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        • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

          Originally posted by bigticket1 View Post
          Probably going to have to play the waiting game until February on him.
          Maybe additional FBS transfers floating too

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          • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

            Really like the solid foundation of the committed class today. In a good position to grab the few areas of need. Some great talent still out there looking for a home!

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              Shocking news Zeb Nolan signed with NDSU yesterday. The Fargo Forum says he has already moved in and will enroll for spring ball.

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              • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

                Originally posted by BTownJack View Post
                This is probably pretty accurate if you went back and did some research. It is minimizing the 1/3 disappear category and turning them into one of the other two groups that sets good programs from great.
                Interesting discussion. I went back and pulled the list of the 2016 class, who will be redshirt juniors or seniors next season.

                Athlete - Pete Menage, Injury Retirement
                QB - Alec Cromer***, Cut and transferred to UNL as a punter in sp18.
                QB - Kanin Nelson, Potential 2019 starting QB
                RB - Tolu Ogunrinde, Switched to defensive end, rotation player/pass rush specialist
                RB/LB CJ Roths, Cut in sp18.
                WR - Jacob Brown***, In line to be a three year starter. Played as a true freshman
                WR/DB - Patrick Burmeister, Cut, transferred to Minot St.
                WR - Paddy Devlin, Cut, transferred to SMSU in sp18
                WR - Cade Johnson, In line to be a 4 year starter and potential 4 year All-American
                WR - Monte' McGary, Transfered to IWCC after 2 years
                OC - Jack Domandle, Didn't attend until s17. Rotation player who has made a couple starts
                OG - Wesley Genant, In line to be a 3 year starter.
                OG - Hunter Hanley, quit following f16
                OT - Mike Dobrenski, quit following f17
                TE - Braydon Allen, transerred following f16. Playing basketball somewhere.
                DE/TE - Austin Barrett, Injury retired f18.
                DE/LB - Clarence Smith, Never attended
                DT - Thomas Stacker, Rotation player at DT.
                DT - Elijah Wilson, Rotation player at DE.
                LB - Logan Backhaus, In line to be a 4 year starter
                LB/RB - Blair Mulholland**, Special teams player
                LB - Kaden Roy, Transfer after F16.
                LB - Preston Tetzlaff, Special teams dynamo
                LB - Kyle Tuttle, Still on roster. Significant knee injury in f17.
                DB - Jarek Berg, Special teams player will compete to start in F19.
                DB - Donald Gardner, Special teams dynamo will compete to start in F19.
                DB - Marshon Harris, Starter for 1.5 seasons.
                DB - Joshua Manchigiah***, Starter at safety
                Safety/RB - Justin Maratik, Quit, don't remember when
                Long Snapper - Bradley Sorenson, In line to be a 4 year starter

                So I divided this out in to four areas: 1. Stars, 2. Starters, 3. Contributors, 4. Disappear
                Stars and Starters is subjective but this is my opinion.
                This class has 3 Stars: Cade Johnson, Wes Genant, and Logan Backhaus
                5 additional starters
                9 Contributors
                13 No longer rostered (2 injury retirements, 4 cut, 3 quit, 3 transferred, 1 never attended)

                Next post will have the 2015 class.
                Last edited by WestSideRabbit; 12-21-2018, 08:48 AM.
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                • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

                  Great work here. Probably would be helpful to make a distinction on if they started off as a scholarship player or not. I'm willing to bet a large majority of the "disappeared" category started out as PWOs.

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                  • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

                    Originally posted by BTownJack View Post
                    This is probably pretty accurate if you went back and did some research. It is minimizing the 1/3 disappear category and turning them into one of the other two groups that sets good programs from great.
                    Class of 2015 Info.
                    QB - Taryn Christion**, Best QB in SDSU's history
                    RB - Sam Zenner, Quit f16. Runs track for SDSU.
                    FB - Luke Sellers, Will be a 2 year starter
                    WR - Adam Anderson, Will be a 2 year starter, 4 year contributer All-MVFC Honorable Mention
                    WR - Marquise Lewis, 2 year starter but injury retired.
                    WR - Alex Wilde, 6'4" 205, Quit F18
                    TE - Sam Steckman, Quit F18
                    OG - Jared DeVoe, Transferred
                    OL - Matt Clark**, Suspended/Quit
                    OL - Jake Ford, Transferred
                    DL - Ryan Earith, 4 year starter
                    DL - Blake Whitsell, Injury retirement
                    LB - Jake Harms, Injury retirement
                    LB - Christian Rozeboom, Will be a 4 year starter and All-American
                    LB - Austin Smenda, Will be a 3 year starter
                    LB/RB - Jessup Workman, Injury retirement
                    DB - Zy Mosley - Rotation player. Could start in 2019.
                    DB - Shakial Taylor, Quit following freshman season. Transfer to AZ CC then to Kansas where he was a 2 year starter
                    Safety - Brandon Thomas, Cut Sp18
                    Safety - Lorenzo Williams, in safety rotation, speical teams player
                    K/P - Brady Hale, 4 year starter
                    K - Chase Vinatieri**, Will be a 4 year starter

                    Preferred Walk-On (17)

                    FB - Michael Daniel***, Part-time starter, goal line specialist
                    FB - Turner Blasius, Special teams, backup FB
                    FB - Nick Jensen, Quit
                    RB - Clark Wieneke, Cut Sp18
                    WR - Dayton Bird, Quit F16
                    WR - Gavin Rudoll, Never rostered
                    TE - Kallan Hart, Starter in 2018
                    OL - Spencer Hildahl, Starter in 2017, rotation player in 18 and likely 19.
                    OL - Anthony Thene, Transfer
                    DE - Zach Dorgan, rotation player
                    DE - Matt Fitzgerald, Quit
                    LB - Gunnar Grimsrud, Quit
                    LB - Zach Robertson, Quit
                    LB - Rayce Willett, Quit
                    DB - Blake Bubak, Never rostered
                    DB - Lance Eide, Special teams player
                    DB - Will Whiton, Injury retired

                    So by my count this class has:
                    Stars: 6, TC, Adam Anderson, Ryan Earith, Cristian Rozeboom, Brady Hale, Chase Vinatieri
                    Additional Starters: 6
                    Contributors: 4
                    No long rostered: 23 (5 injury retirement, 2 cut, 10 quit, 4 transfer, 2 never attended)

                    The number of injuries in this class is staggering and this class had a huge walk on group which is why they are walk-ons. 11 of the 17 walk-ons are not here.

                    Interesting question so thanks for posing it.
                    Last edited by WestSideRabbit; 12-21-2018, 08:53 AM.
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                    • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

                      For guys that were contributors and then left for some reason, I have a tough time saying that they "disappeared". See: Lewis, Harms, Whitsell, Workman, Taylor, and Clark.

                      I really feel for guys who left due to injury, and it is tough to say the just disappeared with no contribution. Even for Taylor or Clark, they contributed for the 1-2 years that they were here, and they didn't hold down a scholarship for when they weren't contributing.

                      I'm mincing words with you, but I think it is an important distinction.

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                      • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

                        Originally posted by SlapJack View Post
                        For guys that were contributors and then left for some reason, I have a tough time saying that they "disappeared". See: Lewis, Harms, Whitsell, Workman, Taylor, and Clark.

                        I really feel for guys who left due to injury, and it is tough to say the just disappeared with no contribution. Even for Taylor or Clark, they contributed for the 1-2 years that they were here, and they didn't hold down a scholarship for when they weren't contributing.

                        I'm mincing words with you, but I think it is an important distinction.
                        Absolutely. I tried to give their reason for no longer being rostered behind their name, at least to the best of my ability. Maybe instead of disappeared I could just say "No longer rostered"
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                        • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

                          Originally posted by WestSideRabbit View Post
                          Class of 2015 Info.
                          QB - Taryn Christion**, Best QB in SDSU's history
                          RB - Sam Zenner, Quit f16. Runs track for SDSU.
                          FB - Luke Sellers, Will be a 2 year starter
                          WR - Adam Anderson, Will be a 2 year starter, 4 year contributer All-MVFC Honorable Mention
                          WR - Marquise Lewis, 2 year starter but injury retired.
                          WR - Alex Wilde, 6'4" 205, Quit F18
                          TE - Sam Steckman, Quit F18
                          OG - Jared DeVoe, Transferred
                          OL - Matt Clark**, Suspended/Quit
                          OL - Jake Ford, Transferred
                          DL - Ryan Earith, 4 year starter
                          DL - Blake Whitsell, Injury retirement
                          LB - Jake Harms, Injury retirement
                          LB - Christian Rozeboom, Will be a 4 year starter and All-American
                          LB - Austin Smenda, Will be a 3 year starter
                          LB/RB - Jessup Workman, Injury retirement
                          DB - Zy Mosley - Rotation player. Could start in 2019.
                          DB - Shakial Taylor, Quit following freshman season. Transfer to AZ CC then to Kansas where he was a 2 year starter
                          Safety - Brandon Thomas, Cut Sp18
                          Safety - Lorenzo Williams, in safety rotation, speical teams player
                          K/P - Brady Hale, 4 year starter
                          K - Chase Vinatieri**, Will be a 4 year starter

                          Preferred Walk-On (17)

                          FB - Michael Daniel***, Part-time starter, goal line specialist
                          FB - Turner Blasius, Special teams, backup FB
                          FB - Nick Jensen, Quit
                          RB - Clark Wieneke, Cut Sp18
                          WR - Dayton Bird, Quit F16
                          WR - Gavin Rudoll, Never rostered
                          TE - Kallan Hart, Starter in 2018
                          OL - Spencer Hildahl, Starter in 2017, rotation player in 18 and likely 19.
                          OL - Anthony Thene, quit
                          DE - Zach Dorgan, rotation player
                          DE - Matt Fitzgerald, Quit
                          LB - Gunnar Grimsrud, Quit
                          LB - Zach Robertson, Quit
                          LB - Rayce Willett, Quit
                          DB - Blake Bubak, Never rostered
                          DB - Lance Eide, Special teams player
                          DB - Will Whiton, Injury retired

                          So by my count this class has:
                          Stars: 6, TC, Adam Anderson, Ryan Earith, Cristian Rozeboom, Brady Hale, Chase Vinatieri
                          Additional Starters: 6
                          Contributors: 4
                          Disappear: 23

                          The number of injuries in this class is staggering and this class had a huge walk on group which is why they are walk-ons. 11 of the 17 walk-ons are not here.

                          Interesting question so thanks for posing it.
                          Wonder how the green machine compares.

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                          • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

                            Originally posted by slosho View Post
                            Wonder how the green machine compares.
                            We probably don't want to know. 23 disappears in one recruiting class is nearly mind boggling! Wowzers....

                            I will say this though. If the guys that quit/injured/cut that were on scholarship, that just opens up the scholly to the next "star". At least, that is what you hope anyways!

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                            • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

                              Class of 2017. Will be Juniors or Sophomores next season.

                              ATH - Mitch Van Beek, Never rostered
                              ATH/DB - Alex Schiefelbein, Cut Sp18
                              QB - Ethan Bullock**, 6'4" 200, Transferred F18
                              QB/WR - Chase Templeman, Quit/Cut Sp18
                              RB - Deyon Campbell**, WR Depth has battled injuries
                              RB - Pierre Strong**, HERO Sports All-Freshman team
                              RB - C J Wilson, Arrived spring 2018, was in line to be the featured back before getting hurt.
                              WR - Jake Aanderud, WR Depth
                              WR - Isaiah Hill**, WR Depth but emerged as a playmaker in 2018 playoffs
                              WR - Michael Wandmaker, WR Depth and special teams players
                              TE - Arthur Egan, TE depth
                              TE/DE - Caleb Schauf, TE depth
                              TE- Skler Cavanaugh, Played as a true freshman but played sparingly in 2019, TE depth.
                              C - Wyatt Ewing, Quit Sp18
                              C/DE - Aron Johnson, Started 1 game this season at UNI. Swing tackle.
                              OG/C - Austin Boen, Battled injuries, interior OL depth
                              OG - Colton Cook, Cut Sp18
                              OG/DT - Eddie Miller, played as true freshman, 2018 opening day starter, likely will start at LG in 2019
                              OG/DT - Brendan Rotert, Never rostered
                              OT - Jonathan Gruetzmacher**, OL depth, played a little at RT in 2018
                              OT/DT - Eagan Lickiss, Played as true freshman and started most of 2018 at RG
                              OT - Austin Lohsandt, Quit sp18
                              OT - Jason Titus, Depth at OL also throws for Track and Field
                              DE - Daniel Callender***, Transferred to Arizona Western CC
                              DE/LB - Reece Winkleman**, Depth and rotation at DE
                              DT - Krockett Krolikowski, HERO Sports All-Freshman team
                              DT/G - Dominic Simpson, Never rostered. Enrolled at IWCC but never played
                              DT/G - Xavier Ward, Played as true freshman, started as sophomore
                              LB - Levi Brown**, Special Teams and depth in 2018.
                              LB - Rashie Hodge** - Never rostered. Attended Glendale CC for two years
                              LB/SS - Tylen Small, Depth at safety
                              LB/RB - Seven Wilson**, Played as a true freshman, significant snaps in 2018, in line to start final two seasons
                              LB - Noah Urbanek**, Played as a true freshman, Injury retired in SP18.
                              DB/WR - Tyler DeMartra, Special teams player in 2018
                              DB - Adam Heien, Never Rostered
                              DB - Malik Lofton**, Cornerback depth
                              Safety - Alex Wickersham, Spent some time on the roster between LB and Safety. Not currently listed. Cut?
                              P/LB - Ben Dinkel, Likely the punter in 2019. 3 years of eligibility remain
                              K/P - Jake Wolfe, Kicking backup. May start in 2020.

                              This is already an interesting class, and plenty can change in the next year or two but here is where it stands in my opinion...
                              Stars: 2, Strong and Krolikowski
                              Starters: 5
                              Contributors: 18
                              No longer rostered: 14 (2 Transfer, 4 cut, 1 injury retired, 2 quit, and 5 were never rostered)

                              This *WAS* at the time considered the most talented signing class SDSU had ever had. I think we are seeing that given how many have contributed in their first two years. This could also be part of the reason the previous two classes had such high attrition. All speculation on my part. I think this is still a really really good class even with the losses of Callender, Urbanek, Hodge, and Simpson. They were probably four of the most highly thought of players in this group. Losing them and still having this class look as good as they do says a lot to the depth of the class.

                              Sorry to those of you who find roster shaping boring. This has just been a fascinating exercise for me! haha
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                              • Re: 2019 Recruiting List

                                Westside - I love this look at the roster breakdown! I would like to see this done in a fashion that we can trace back over time. Similar to Gopherhole's recruiting breakdown by year. I know that this is easy for me to say since it doesn't require my time and effort. But I do appreciate the effort you guys put forth.

                                Side note - Teams tended to pick on our corners not named Jordan Brown this year. Think of the corners we've recruited and played, but haven't finished their careers with us. Trey Carr, Shak Taylor...

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