Cal Poly

[filbert]

Re: Cal Poly

Boy, that Cal Poly game sure did suck, huh?

[jackmd]

Re: Cal Poly

If they are going to clamp down on underage drinking, they should set up check points. The problem is you and many others are all for the strict enforcement of underage drinking, but that doesn't affect you at all. If SDSU were to strictly enforce every single law possible, tailgating wouldn't be fun at all and probably wouldn't exist. So where does it stop? If it's up to you, it stops at enforcing underage drinking, but why? Why enforce that law if we aren't going to enforce others? Because adults are "more responsible" and "can handle it better"? As long as they aren't causing a nuisance, I would contend that adult drinkers are more dangerous because students are likely to walk back to their dorms or houses and eventually take a bus downtown, where as the adult drinkers get in their cars and drive home. (Easy Nidaros, I'm not suggesting check points, I'm just making a point)

Exactly. Difference is I'm happy to leave it up to the administration at SDSU and let them figure out how they want to handle it. I hope they don't end tailgating for me but if they do I can certainly live without it. Seems to me you might be suggesting that they permit illegal and dangerous behavior at the expense of those following the law and respecting others so that those behaving irresponsibly may be allowed to continue to do so. I can't get behind that. Not now, not ever.


Check points at every exit would be fine with me. The fewer drunk drivers there are on the road the better.

[Nidaros]

Re: Cal Poly

If they are going to clamp down on underage drinking, they should set up check points. The problem is you and many others are all for the strict enforcement of underage drinking, but that doesn't affect you at all. If SDSU were to strictly enforce every single law possible, tailgating wouldn't be fun at all and probably wouldn't exist. So where does it stop? If it's up to you, it stops at enforcing underage drinking, but why? Why enforce that law if we aren't going to enforce others? Because adults are "more responsible" and "can handle it better"? As long as they aren't causing a nuisance, I would contend that adult drinkers are more dangerous because students are likely to walk back to their dorms or houses and eventually take a bus downtown, where as the adult drinkers get in their cars and drive home. (Easy Nidaros, I'm not suggesting check points, I'm just making a point)

As long as I get home safely, that is all I really care about. Plus I would hate to see someone else or their family injured for whatever reason. I will not comment any further. And your point was??? Alcohol affects everyone who consumes it. It does not discriminate based on man made laws of age 21. So adults are not any better than the students when they are impaired.

[CappinHard]

Re: Cal Poly

Perhaps they should set up sobriety check points immediately outside of every exit from the parking lots? They certainly could do that.

If they are going to clamp down on underage drinking, they should set up check points. The problem is you and many others are all for the strict enforcement of underage drinking, but that doesn't affect you at all. If SDSU were to strictly enforce every single law possible, tailgating wouldn't be fun at all and probably wouldn't exist. So where does it stop? If it's up to you, it stops at enforcing underage drinking, but why? Why enforce that law if we aren't going to enforce others? Because adults are "more responsible" and "can handle it better"? As long as they aren't causing a nuisance, I would contend that adult drinkers are more dangerous because students are likely to walk back to their dorms or houses and eventually take a bus downtown, where as the adult drinkers get in their cars and drive home. (Easy Nidaros, I'm not suggesting check points, I'm just making a point)

[Nidaros]

Re: Cal Poly

No it would not. That isn't taking in to account anything you have eaten during that time or the fact that you can digest on drink an hour. So if you have 10 drinks in 9 hours your body digest 9 of those. So you have 1 drink in your system for a .02% reading 1/4 the legal limit.

Possibly with food and spacing your notion might work. I have my doubts, since the body is very slow in burning alcohol consumed.

[Nidaros]

Re: Cal Poly

I have no idea how this is relevant to the discussion. SDSU is going to enforce the state and federal laws that define the legal drinking age as 21. They are absolutely obligated to do so. That doesn't mean that every kid under 21 drinking on campus the day of the game is going to get caught. That does mean if you are caught you get a ticket and you get escorted away. It's really not that difficult to understand.

I also understand that the suggestion is that SDSU should "turn a blind eye" towards the illegal behavior. No one on this forum has any idea what the enforcers of the rules are discussing behind closed doors nor should we.

Bottom line, there's a huge group of people that want a safe place to tailgate. Last year "the Backyard", at least a large portion of it, wasn't safe. SDSU is trying to find a way to accommodate all. I commend them for that. That accommodation will not include allowing a blatant violation of state and federal law. To suggest that aren't permitting some questionable behavior already is a little naïve.

Perhaps they should set up sobriety check points immediately outside of every exit from the parking lots? They certainly could do that.

Doc makes a great deal of sense here. I just dont see how we build a fan base doing something illegal. Yes the students are the future and the reason for having a football team. Some will be very loyal in the future, and others are not going to get excited about mailing in a donation to the SDSU foundation. Considering the cost of attending and the accumulated debt following graduation, we are going to have a rough time getting their needed support. Giving them excess to alcohol will not cut the mustard.

[Carolina010]

Re: Cal Poly

Wrong. See this link even if you are same body weight as yours truly 240 plus, 10 drinks in that 9 hour range would give you a .16% reading double the legal limit.

https://www.google.com/search?q=alco...VWszeydO1iM%3A

No it would not. That isn't taking in to account anything you have eaten during that time or the fact that you can digest on drink an hour. So if you have 10 drinks in 9 hours your body digest 9 of those. So you have 1 drink in your system for a .02% reading 1/4 the legal limit. See this link taking into account time http://www.intox.com/DrinkWheelResul...nited%20States

[jackmd]

Re: Cal Poly

Just playing devils advocate here...underage drinking/breaking the law is OK if you do it where nobody in authority can see you do it, even if it is in property that said authority owns and operates and is in direct conflict with their institutional policies (no alcohol whatsoever allowed on property) and state/national law. Underage drinking/breaking the law is NOT OK if you do it in a public place where alcohol is allowed to those over the legal drinking age. OK.

I have no idea how this is relevant to the discussion. SDSU is going to enforce the state and federal laws that define the legal drinking age as 21. They are absolutely obligated to do so. That doesn't mean that every kid under 21 drinking on campus the day of the game is going to get caught. That does mean if you are caught you get a ticket and you get escorted away. It's really not that difficult to understand.

I also understand that the suggestion is that SDSU should "turn a blind eye" towards the illegal behavior. No one on this forum has any idea what the enforcers of the rules are discussing behind closed doors nor should we.

Bottom line, there's a huge group of people that want a safe place to tailgate. Last year "the Backyard", at least a large portion of it, wasn't safe. SDSU is trying to find a way to accommodate all. I commend them for that. That accommodation will not include allowing a blatant violation of state and federal law. To suggest that aren't permitting some questionable behavior already is a little naïve.

Perhaps they should set up sobriety check points immediately outside of every exit from the parking lots? They certainly could do that.

[Nidaros]

Re: Cal Poly

It is possible to causally drink for 9 hours and not be over the legal limit. Of all those people that get up and come back with 2 beers you don't know that they are both for them. A lot of people get multiple so only one person gets up. And for tailgating, you are all assuming that the problem is underage drinking. Is it not possible for people that are over 21 to dumb things when drinking. Why is everyone assuming that if you get all of the underage kids out of tailgating that will solve the problem. I have been at tailgating for both games now and have seen way more students standing around with wristbands than without. I would bet that at hobo day, the incident that caused all of this, 75% to 80% of the people involved we of legal drinking age. Also i did notice the UPD "hunting" for under-ages because a girl got one right in front of the tent i was standing in. It wouldn't have seemed that way but she already had a wristband on and the checked her ID anyway.

Wrong. See this link even if you are same body weight as yours truly 240 plus, 10 drinks in that 9 hour range would give you a .16% reading double the legal limit.

https://www.google.com/search?q=alco...VWszeydO1iM%3A

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: Cal Poly

Just playing devils advocate here...underage drinking/breaking the law is OK if you do it where nobody in authority can see you do it, even if it is in property that said authority owns and operates and is in direct conflict with their institutional policies (no alcohol whatsoever allowed on property) and state/national law. Underage drinking/breaking the law is NOT OK if you do it in a public place where alcohol is allowed to those over the legal drinking age. OK.

If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around, does it make a sound?

I don't believe TK was saying his behavior was OK (lawful might be a better word). If he had been caught, there would have been consequences (as there are today). I'm fairly certain he didn't parade around campus with a case of beer (or fireball if you prefer), then act outraged/perplexed/oppressed when his unlawful behavior led to completely foreseeable consequences.

[Nidaros]

Re: Cal Poly

Just playing devils advocate here...underage drinking/breaking the law is OK if you do it where nobody in authority can see you do it, even if it is in property that said authority owns and operates and is in direct conflict with their institutional policies (no alcohol whatsoever allowed on property) and state/national law. Underage drinking/breaking the law is NOT OK if you do it in a public place where alcohol is allowed to those over the legal drinking age. OK.

I recall going to Old State Field as a junior high student in the mid 1950's and sitting in North stands with students nearby. After a while they broke out a half pint and had a huge gulp and quietly put it away. Under aged drinkers no doubt. Most of guys have passed and they probably did not wear out their livers. My point is that underage drinking has been going on for a long time and will continue into the future.

[jackrabbit1979]

Re: Cal Poly

Correct. I never had the UPD/administration witness my actions, so I did not have the opportunity to tell/ask them to look the other way and let me break the law.

I'm going to bow out of this thread, as I've made my position clear. I don't have a real dog in this fight. I don't have season tickets anymore and I don't have any kids in school. I'm simply advocating for what I think is in SDSU's best interests.

I commend Cappn', Thumper and others for having the strong desire to grow SDSU and its fanbase. We just disagree on how to accomplish that.

NoBama Out.

Just playing devils advocate here...underage drinking/breaking the law is OK if you do it where nobody in authority can see you do it, even if it is in property that said authority owns and operates and is in direct conflict with their institutional policies (no alcohol whatsoever allowed on property) and state/national law. Underage drinking/breaking the law is NOT OK if you do it in a public place where alcohol is allowed to those over the legal drinking age. OK.

[jacksfaninne]

Re: Cal Poly

Why is everyone assuming that if you get all of the underage kids out of tailgating that will solve the problem.

I don't think anyone's assuming that -- at least, I'm certainly not. My point of contention is with the idea that to build the fan base, the University should simply ignore the law and look the other way when it comes to underage drinking -- maybe even go so far as to encourage underage drinking by creating a student tailgate area where minors can drink, you know, sort of a campus safe space for underage drinkers.

[TK22867]

Re: Cal Poly

Wait, what? Underage drinking at tailgating is directly under the noses of UPD and Administration, but you drinking as an underage student in your dorm room back in the day wasn't?

Correct. I never had the UPD/administration witness my actions, so I did not have the opportunity to tell/ask them to look the other way and let me break the law.

I'm going to bow out of this thread, as I've made my position clear. I don't have a real dog in this fight. I don't have season tickets anymore and I don't have any kids in school. I'm simply advocating for what I think is in SDSU's best interests.

I commend Cappn', Thumper and others for having the strong desire to grow SDSU and its fanbase. We just disagree on how to accomplish that.

NoBama Out.

[jackrabbit1979]

Re: Cal Poly

My situation was different. There was no tailgating at all when I was in school. My instances were at house parties or in my dorm, not directly under the noses of UPD and the administration at an on-campus, SDSU sanctioned event.





So you declare students are aware of the consequences...........you just don't want them enforced.

Wait, what? Underage drinking at tailgating is directly under the noses of UPD and Administration, but you drinking as an underage student in your dorm room back in the day wasn't?