MO State GDT

[goon]

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I guess my philosphy says take the points when you can get them. And take a risk when yoi need them. Say go for a fg on 4th down if you can't get a td on 3rd down. Take the xp if you don't need two. This was in the first half. We didn't need 2 points then. Never risk leaving points on the field espicially on the road. Now if that was any where in the 4th qtr it would have made complete sense to me.

My biggest thing is where does the card say don't try to win the game at the end of regulation? We had 2 wr tearing it up. A qb making good reads. We had over a minute to at least try to get to fg range. Usually if youe at home you play for the tie on the road you play to get the win imo at the end of the game like that. I feal we are very lucky to get this win. They missed the fg with just over a minute left. I guess my mind set is call plays and end the game like they made the fg to go up 3. I would have loved to see sumner run the 2 minute drill and see if we could have won. Or at least given ourselfs a chance at a fg. Sure we didn't have to this game but. If next game we are down and need to run our offense in a late game situation we will have to do it with out any game experince to fall back on. I felt like it would have been a great chance we could have had to win it or give the guys a chance and trust them we could get in position to win the game. I feel imo that the coaching staff didn't feel they could trust the players to win in at the end of regulation.

[jackdaniel]

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In defense of the coaching staff,being called too conservative with play calling , being under a lot of pressure by us fans to win more games ,etc....maybe they are trying too hard to satisfy the fans,just a thought, maybe fans make a situation worse instead of better sometimes.I include myself with being guilty of being overly critical at times,just a thought,i know its their job , but that's the point, better coaches demand a lot more money,in retrospect, perhaps our coaching staff do as good as they can given the limited resources they have at their disposal.

[mitchellrabbit]

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I agree, I believe that card or a similar one is usually part of that big card most head coaches possess. If not one of the assistants have one somewhere. I don't have a problem with the card, but generally I've never heard of anyone going to the card in the first half.

I dont think the card is usually used until middle or later 3rd quarter, at the earliest. Ive seen teams on TV use it in the first half and the announcers usually question it, just like we are.

[JimmyJack]

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The end of the game is pretty understandable. You see it all the time. Long field. Tie game. Against the wind. Little time. Try a run and if you make good yardage, you push it. If not, don't make a stupid mistake and give the game away. It's not like we have a kicker who can hit a 50-yard FG.

Bottom line: We won a MVFC road game. There's a good shot at winning out and finishing 5-6 again, and feeling a lot better going into next year (with quite a few very good young players).

[Nidaros]

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As I said earlier, I didn't know such a card was used -- or, if I had thought about it, I can see how such a card provides guidance but I'd trust my guts first and the card would only be one factor taken into account. I like to think Stig meant that they had decided to go for two and the card showing the impact of scoring two as opposed to one in that scoring situation, supported the decision. The press conference statement, if taken literally, seems to suggest one just follows the card blindly. Surely the coach didn't mean that.

All of us could stretch the facts and come up with situations in which the card makes no sense (e.g. all your place kickers missed the bus to Fargo, no one else on the team can kick further than 5 feet, and in the meantime, your running back is so good he's nearly guaranteed ten yards a carry --- card says "kick". I say RUN) and I think some posters questioned going for two under all of the circumstances. Fans are remembering we've had some difficulty kicking field goals and a couple of PATs. Had the two-point conversion worked, we'd all admire the decision.

Reminds me of Minnesota Coach Kill commenting on the on-side kick in the win against Iowa Saturday. If it had not worked, Coach Kill's sanity would have been questioned. I'll bet there wasn't a card that said go for an onside kick but the Minnesota coaches probably watched a lot of film and knew Iowa would not be prepared for an onside kick at that point. And they weren't.

There is a card. I know for a fact it exists. If I reveal my source Supperbunny will be charging me with treason.

[Southeast]

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http://terryvandrovec.tumblr.com/pos.../bouncing-back

Stig confirms that he was using "the card" and also cites the strong headwind as a reason not to try going down field in the final 1:30.

[GopherHole]

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Does Stig use a card for play calling too? - If you have success with a long pass play, follow it up by running between the tackles.

[jackdaniel]

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Can we buy the same cards NDSU uses?

This is humorous....LOL, good one JackJD !

One more thing about the card,then i promise i'll be quiet about it.Does it assume your going to make the 2 pt conversion?If the answer is yes,then what about if you fail?Does it tell you then that you've just increased your chances of losing the game instead of winning ?The card can't predict if you can make the 2pt conversion or not.....that's the human decision.

[jackmd]

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Of course, had we made the two-point conversion, this discussion would not take place. If the coaches didn't follow the card and we went for a kick and made it, this discussion likely wouldn't take place.

Wrong, the second I heard they were going for 2 I was dumbfounded. At that point in a game where there are still numerous points that are going to be put on the board you cannot go for 2. You must take the point, no exception. You might argue that our kicker isn't reliable. Well, our offense inside the 5 is even less reliable. It's nonsense to argue either way, bad decision, end of discussion. The "card" doesn't apply here.

[jackrabbit1979]

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Wrong, the second I heard they were going for 2 I was dumbfounded. At that point in a game where there are still numerous points that are going to be put on the board you cannot go for 2. You must take the point, no exception. You might argue that our kicker isn't reliable. Well, our offense inside the 5 is even less reliable. It's nonsense to argue either way, bad decision, end of discussion. The "card" doesn't apply here.

This.

Too many more points are going to be scored in the game (that will change the situation ten times over) to use "the card" in the first three quarters, let alone the first quarter. Weird decision IMO...

[SDSUAlum08]

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Here is a 2-point conversion card/chart he is referring to.

http://www.theredzone.org/Features/T...sionChart.aspx

This is nothing new. Coaches use these on every level. Remember the debacle between Brewster and Bielema last year when Bielema went for 2 and Brewster confronted him at midfield? Bielema went for 2 because the card said that was the right thing to do.

I don't agree with the decision; however, he backed it up with his facts and stood by it afterwards. He's the coach so I guess I can't argue too much about it.

Secondly, I don't disagree with trying to score with a minute left in the game. I felt that was reasonable.

[Nidaros]

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There is a card. I know for a fact it exists. If I reveal my source Supperbunny will be charging me with treason.

I am going to risk treason, and if you asked Stig about the card, he would most likely show it to you. It just lists all the scenerios and a decision column and two columns of their margin and the Jacks Margin. Its a time saver in a game, where you dont have the luxury of being wrong like some of our arm chair qbs, but you go by the card and often its the right choice more so than the wrong choice. Special teams are down this year in performance, so all you arm chair guys can go on and on about this or that. Why did he do this? blah blah blah.

[Nidaros]

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I'm willing to wager(and you can name your $$), most coaching staff's(if not all) have "the card"(when to go for 2) in the press box, and sidelines...., so unless you've been there and done that, you probably shouldn't comment on the simple math that takes place as to when to go for 2. I usually sit back and read...but when someone says something really off the wall, I've got to put in my 2 cents

Right on. Stig handed out a replica of this card at the Difference Makers club last year. I have a copy. Its a decision table that saves time just plain and simple. There is no room for arm chair qb's to guess and the card does that for them. And yes I would hope the guys in the press box have a copy of the card. I think our coaching staff is miles ahead of the average arm chair guy such as myself.

[jackdaniel]

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Here is a 2-point conversion card/chart he is referring to.

http://www.theredzone.org/Features/T...sionChart.aspx

If this is the card Stig used, then it makes even less sense to me than i thought.If you have two teams, one with a high % of making the end zone inside the 5 yd line, and one that has a low % of making the end zone inside the 5 yd line,then common sense would tell you the high probability team would go for it, but the low probability team wouldn't.Yes i broke my promise ,but i can't believe people still defend using the card when all teams that use it aren't all equal.It defies any logical explanation to do this....what am i missing here,can anyone tell me?

[JackJD]

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...I like to think Stig meant that they had decided to go for two and the card showing the impact of scoring two as opposed to one in that scoring situation, supported the decision. The press conference statement, if taken literally, seems to suggest one just follows the card blindly. Surely the coach didn't mean that.

I'm sticking with the above. It's Monday morning. We won a road game. We had some fantastic performances. Some people don't like the play calling and maybe the coaches were just thinking a little out of the box -- after all, isn't that what some have wanted? Congrats to Stig and the team. As JimmyJack noted, we can win the next two!

I really enjoyed the 80-yard Sumner to Moss connection. That'll loosen up some defenses!

In the meantime, I have an idea.....