Time for a change?

[jacks1]

Kinda surprised no one has started a similiar thread yet...I guess most of the frustration is being taken out on the GDT. That being said, here is my worthless perspective. Is Sumner ready...probably not. But there is one thing that constantly goes through my mind when thinking about the QB position...Can this guy lead a team? I mean when the goin' gets tough do you, as the QB, have the confidence in yourself and have the belief of your teammates to get the job done. Sumner or TOB???

[RabbitObsessed]

Re: Time for a change?

Yes, it is definitely time for a change.

Meadows out at OC.

[jacks1]

Re: Time for a change?

Yes, it is definitely time for a change.

Meadows out at OC.

Don't leave us hangin'....thoughts on QB???

[RabbitObsessed]

Re: Time for a change?

Don't leave us hangin'....thoughts on QB???

I don't care. I've never seen Sumner play, other than today, so I have no clue what he can do. Put him in if it gives us a better shot. I just think he's effed if the offense keeps running the same vanilla plays that suck ass.

[rjacks21]

Re: Time for a change?

Is Sumner ready? Who knows. I think the one thing that is becoming obvious is TOB is never going to be the guy, and I'm not basing that on today's game. I really don't put too much stock in the FBS games.

I'm willing to at least give Sumner a shot and see how he does because we know what we have in TOB at this point - a mediocre QB whose "good game" is a game when he doesn't completely fall apart and become a turnover machine.

[mmiller_34]

Re: Time for a change?

There isn't anything that TOB can do, that Sumner can't.

[jack power]

Re: Time for a change?

I don't care. I've never seen Sumner play, other than today, so I have no clue what he can do. Put him in if it gives us a better shot. I just think he's effed if the offense keeps running the same vanilla plays that suck ass.

^This. Unless we have a super stud qb i don't know about, you can expect similar results because of the crap plays we run.

[jacksfan29]

Re: Time for a change?

^This. Unless we have a super stud qb i don't know about, you can expect similar results because of the crap plays we run.

I'm getting old and don't recall, who did we have calling the plays when Berry was QB?

[mmiller_34]

Re: Time for a change?

Also--It doesn't take 3 QUARTERS to set up a play-action pass. Run it on the first play. 2008-The first play of the year was a play action pass to the TE from Ryan Berry. Now all of a sudden we don't have the guts to run a play action? we only tried twice-both in the 4th quarter. Unless someone remembers differently--I never saw one before then.

[CatchEmAll]

Re: Time for a change?

Also--It doesn't take 3 QUARTERS to set up a play-action pass. Run it on the first play. 2008-The first play of the year was a play action pass to the TE from Ryan Berry. Now all of a sudden we don't have the guts to run a play action? we only tried twice-both in the 4th quarter. Unless someone remembers differently--I never saw one before then.

Hard to run play action when you only run one running play. And when you have no threat of passing down field. Back in the day ('93 to be exact) we opened a number of games with play action off of our zone running play just to keep teams honest. Of course, we had a good QB and some pretty darn good receivers who could stretch the field along with a solid running game. There has to be something in the running game to run the play action off of for it to work. Something other than a dive play. Off tackle can lead to a good bootleg. Same with a pitch play, or draw. Heck, does SDSU even run a draw play?

Long story short, they can't be afraid to throw Sumner out there and give him some looks. Unless there's really something behind the scenes, and if that's the case there are bigger issues. Sumner appears to have an arm on him, which I can't say I've ever seen with TOB. Poise and confidence come from being on the field, not watching from the sideline. Two more years of mediocre TOB will set this program back too far for it to be worth it.

[jacksfan29]

Re: Time for a change?

Hard to run play action when you only run one running play. And when you have no threat of passing down field. Back in the day ('93 to be exact) we opened a number of games with play action off of our zone running play just to keep teams honest. Of course, we had a good QB and some pretty darn good receivers who could stretch the field along with a solid running game. There has to be something in the running game to run the play action off of for it to work. Something other than a dive play. Off tackle can lead to a good bootleg. Same with a pitch play, or draw. Heck, does SDSU even run a draw play?

Long story short, they can't be afraid to throw Sumner out there and give him some looks. Unless there's really something behind the scenes, and if that's the case there are bigger issues. Sumner appears to have an arm on him, which I can't say I've ever seen with TOB. Poise and confidence come from being on the field, not watching from the sideline. Two more years of mediocre TOB will set this program back too far for it to be worth it.

The '93 team was a fun offense to watch. When things were rolling it was a thing of beauty. Spread the field with some deep throws, put the defense on their heels and run McDonald on a QB draw. Daly's teams were fun to watch.

[joeboo22]

Re: Time for a change?

Did TOB lose the game? SDSU lost by 50+ points, the defense looked like crap, the O-line struggled, the D-line struggled, the RB's struggled, the play calling struggled and the question is whether the QB should lose his job?

Sumner does not have the arm TOB has, anybody who thinks this is misinformed, ask players or people around the program.

[shot_5533]

Re: Time for a change?

I'm getting old and don't recall, who did we have calling the plays when Berry was QB?

Wilkenson who now is at Colorado State. Wilkenson was a QB in college and twice the play caller/recruiter than Meadows. Hence the promotion to his alma matter.

[Kemo]

Re: Time for a change?

Did TOB lose the game? SDSU lost by 50+ points, the defense looked like crap, the O-line struggled, the D-line struggled, the RB's struggled, the play calling struggled and the question is whether the QB should lose his job?

Sumner does not have the arm TOB has, anybody who thinks this is misinformed, ask players or people around the program.

TOB can throw farther, but I've now see Sumner throw an a sideline route and it has noticeably more zip on it. I don't need anyone to inform me of this, as I have two eyes and they work just fine.

[shot_5533]

Re: Time for a change?

Did TOB lose the game? SDSU lost by 50+ points, the defense looked like crap, the O-line struggled, the D-line struggled, the RB's struggled, the play calling struggled and the question is whether the QB should lose his job?

Sumner does not have the arm TOB has, anybody who thinks this is misinformed, ask players or people around the program.

Were you at the game? If so, what are you smoking? If not, you missed the pure terror that TOB projected today. No one was close to him and he'd throw the ball away to a spot, not a reciever. After his INT, in the gut of an Illini player, he was worthless.

Surely you jest, or are ignorant of a quality QB ie: the gentleman playing QB for the last two oppositions.