New offense?

[jacksfaninne]

Re: New offense?

We had one of the best running backs in the history of SDSU and couldn't win the conference.

Back when we had the best running back in the history of SDSU we couldn't win the conference. Just sayin'.

But I agree, we need to open things up a bit and get away from the predictability.

[da_coach]

Re: New offense?

the one that got me, even more than the TE motion, was when we'd motion a WR, I seem to remember Hylland doing this alot, and we'd motion him in tight, right outside the TE...He'd reach out and touch the TE.

And I'd say, this is a run.

[goon]

Re: New offense?

The excuses we make this year will be gone when our WR are another year exp, along with TOB. It really comes down to effective play calling by coaches and execution by players. If we have a little improvement in both, we will see big changes on the field. I am excited to see what comes out of spring ball, hopefully a solid D and more effective O, but I guess thats what most teams would want.

[shot_5533]

Re: New offense?

We had one of the best running backs in the history of SDSU and couldn't win the conference. I, for one, hope that putting in a different offense will allow this team to open things up.

Watching this offense the last year and a half was brutal. I know that Kyle was good, but god, how about we run a sweep or two. Maybe now that we have a back with break-away speed we will see that again.

Problem was we had one of the worse QB's in the conference last year.

Just goes to show you the importance of the QB position. A good example - the MN Viqueens. The best RB in football + one of the worse QB's in football = last place in 2011.

[mitchell]

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I don't want to open a can of worms, but...

The offense we ran last year wasn't the problem. It was the execution that was lacking.

The offense works, just look at the past numbers. If the personal is in place, the offense works. Last year's offense was too young and inexperienced to provide consistent results.

Last years stats were good enough to win games, it was just the missed blocks, the fumbles, the dropped passes (too many to count) & errant throws (way too many to count) that cost us games. Our passing game consisted of a barely experienced QB, no experience WR's & a Freshman O-LINE. That's like sending out the JV vs the other team's varsity.

Look at the other offenses in the conference, they are nothing special unless you have the right players and upperclassmen to execute them.

[jack43]

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I don't want to open a can of worms, but...

The offense we ran last year wasn't the problem. It was the execution that was lacking.

The offense works, just look at the past numbers. If the personal is in place, the offense works. Last year's offense was too young and inexperienced to provide consistent results.

Last years stats were good enough to win games, it was just the missed blocks, the fumbles, the dropped passes (too many to count) & errant throws (way too many to count) that cost us games. Our passing game consisted of a barely experienced QB, no experience WR's & a Freshman O-LINE. That's like sending out the JV vs the other team's varsity.

Look at the other offenses in the conference, they are nothing special unless you have the right players and upperclassmen to execute them.

I think this is one of the smartest quotes on this board in a long time. I agree completely.

[RabbitObsessed]

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I disagree. But that's just my amateur opinion.

[slosho]

Re: New offense?

I don't want to open a can of worms, but...

The offense we ran last year wasn't the problem. It was the execution that was lacking.

The offense works, just look at the past numbers. If the personal is in place, the offense works. Last year's offense was too young and inexperienced to provide consistent results.

Last years stats were good enough to win games, it was just the missed blocks, the fumbles, the dropped passes (too many to count) & errant throws (way too many to count) that cost us games. Our passing game consisted of a barely experienced QB, no experience WR's & a Freshman O-LINE. That's like sending out the JV vs the other team's varsity.

Look at the other offenses in the conference, they are nothing special unless you have the right players and upperclassmen to execute them.

I'm afraid I'm with the poster above (RabbitObseesed) and for everyone out there this is a note for life... just because something worked in the past doesn't mean it will work in the future, or is even a good way to do something.

I refuse to believe that when you look at a guy like TOB we couldn't coach him to run a bit (scramble)... it's on the coaches to take a talented player and coach them into their system, or in the case of a "talent players" adjust the system to best suit the strengths of the players...

I cannot even tell how good of a QB we have with the kind of play calling we had last year... if he is really that bad. then we shouldn't have even played him.

I cannot dismiss Last years QB's poor decision making (I however am not particularly qualified to rate a quarterback by anything other than results and I know that there was at least 10 [sometimes more] others on the field that are at least partially responsible for the results), and failure to not "lock in on a receiver"

Let's wait a little to pass judgement... remember Nate Wolters Had a lot of turnovers and then BOOM this year he's a stud. Just saying...

[shot_5533]

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I think this is one of the smartest quotes on this board in a long time. I agree completely.

I disagree.

Perhaps the loss of Wilkinson was bigger than anyone wanted to admit. Wilkinson coached up Ryan Berry. Wilkinson called the Offensive plays with input from Meadows. Wilkerson got promoted to Colorado State.

It is time for Eidness to step up. He is directly responsible for TOB's development. I think this forum has been pretty easy on Eidness. How much is he responsible for TOB's progression?

The O-line consisting of freshman last year is greatly exaggerated. One freshman started at the beginning of the year, with two freshman starting at the end of the year. TV keeps screwing this up and I'm not sure why. They started the first game with a red shirt left tackle, 6th year Sr. left guard, All American Sr. center, Jr. right guard, and experienced sophomore right tackle. By the end of the year a red shirt freshman started at left guard, the only change. The Castle (sophomore) experiment lasted two games where they still only started one red shirt freshman. They did do a rotation, less depending upon the match ups, but the starters remained the same. Their stats prove they passed block with the top lines in the nation; Kyle's running proved they could run block too.

They had 2 Sr. TE. One is a NFL prospect. Pretty good. They had one of the best backs in SDSU history. The lack of using Cochart last year is a legitimate criticism, but he had some big drops too.

WR dropped way to many passes. I couldn't agree more strongly with you and Mitchell there. I am excited about this year's crop. We could make a great leap forward this year.

Was the play calling too predictable? We all can agree that at times, yes it was. Was it predictable because the limitations of our QB? Only Meadows, Stig, and Eidness know for sure. TOB has the physical skills. It is up to Eidness to coach him and get it out of him. Stig is not accepting last years record or excuses. That is why he is a great leader. Meadows does not accept losing well either. I know people like to point fingers at him, but the man has proved himself very capable thru the years. He churns out offensive linemen year after year.

Part of the problem with the offense last year was it was hamstrung by some of the defenses performance. The defense was disappointing last year. That is not coming from me, that came from Stig. Stig said the Jack's team greatest failure last year was the inability to stop the run. I do appreciate Mitchell's break down of the DT's, but I don't see the big, physical run stopping NT except for the Juco. I sure hope the Juco steps up and the Jacks stop the run.

I think the coaches identified the problems and are making steps to correct them. I think Stig's past record speaks for itself, he will correct the issues. I think the players bought into what Stig has told them in the off season. I also think that based on how they played at Nebraska, this team has a very bright future. The home schedule is very favorable with NDSU, Southern Illinois, and Northern Iowa all coming to South Dakota.

Go Jacks.

[goon]

Re: New offense?

I disagree.

Perhaps the loss of Wilkinson was bigger than anyone wanted to admit. Wilkinson coached up Ryan Berry. Wilkinson called the Offensive plays with input from Meadows. Wilkerson got promoted to Colorado State.



Go Jacks.

He as a coach was the biggest factor IMO to what we see now for play calling and players execution.

[jackdaniel]

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Back when we had the best running back in the history of SDSU we couldn't win the conference. Just sayin'.

But I agree, we need to open things up a bit and get away from the predictability.

To get away from predictability,we have to be more "explosive",for lack of a better word,on offense.Too many third and longs.I like to see 2nd and 3 or less, then you have one down where you can take a chance on catching the other team sleeping for a momentum building,or game changing TD.Good first downs,lets you explore many more options.Which begs the question,2nd and three, do you play it safe and run for the first,and keep the drive alive, or do you gamble with one down ,to get a big play or TD,and possibly not even get a first down? I'd say both.....about 50/50.

[SDSUAlum08]

Re: New offense?

To get away from predictability,we have to be more "explosive",for lack of a better word,on offense.Too many third and longs.I like to see 2nd and 3 or less, then you have one down where you can take a chance on catching the other team sleeping for a momentum building,or game changing TD.Good first downs,lets you explore many more options.

Pretty sure every team tries to accomplish this.

[jackdaniel]

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Pretty sure every team tries to accomplish this.

Trying and getting it done are two different things.

[mitchell]

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I guess my point is, what offense last year would have worked? We could have run the spread, the pistol, the west coast, etc, etc and in my opinion it wouldn't have mattered. There were just too many mistakes made that didn't have anything to do with what the play was.

I guess this is how chalk up last years losses from memory:
Delaware: Horrible start leads to overthrown INTs, Dropped passes for INTs, OLine that didn't move the other team an inch all game
Illinois St: 2 early dropped passes by Hylland (one for INT) that change the game, 3 missed FG's
Nebraska: Superior competition, no help from 2 ref calls (TD review & clipping)
UNI: Fumble on breakaway run, RB throws an INT, TOB horrible INT in the redzone
Indiana St: Defense couldn't stop a flea
NDSU: TOB throws horrible picks, Minett gets injured

I don't see any of those games where a different offense wins us the game, but cleaning up mistakes would have gone a long ways.

Just my amateur 2 cents. Love the discussion and realize that alot of this will have to fall under the "agree to disagree" category.

[jackdaniel]

Re: New offense?

My whole point about "predictability" is that your pretty much locked into predictability when your offense is weak.