NDSU v. IUPUI

[HoboJack]

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This happens just about every single home game. Oakland and Kampe were laughing about it and actually talked with some of the students at half about Benson/stats/etc. SDSU and Nagy ignored it. Oral Roberts and Sutton ignored it. IUPUI reacted to it. Why can't they do the same as others? Hunter is a big boy. I think he can handle some taunting just as Saul can handle some from SDSU students/ORU students...

How can the fact that others tolerate this behavior be justification that it is OK? I realize this isn't just an NDSU thing, and that it does in fact occur at other locations including to some degree at SDSU. I wish it didn't, and would have no problem if SDSU administrators made a habbit of removing those responsible when it does.

[RowdyRabbit]

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It absolutely slays me that in today's society people can't just say, "what happened was wrong and whatever happened should be fixed. Please accept my apology, it won't happen again" It has to be quantified with a "but" somehow or another.

This. Kind of like the whole "not guilty" plea when someone is caught red handed doing something.

No one is ever responsible for their actions.

Rep.

[zooropa]

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(all of them being African-American)

Not all black people are the same.

Or--in a different application:

Consider the phrase 'dirt farmer'.

That's a serious insult for some farmers, while others use it merely to differentiate between raising crops vs. running a dairy, chicken, or hog farm.

I've heard some people describe themselves as 'dirt farmers', and I've seen others treat the phrase as fighting words.

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The judgment of one individual, or even two, three, or four, is not sufficient.

[FargoBison]

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I think you are missing the point. If you go back & listen to the interview with coach Hunter he talks about the offensive language & that his players might have a different reaction than someone else might, specifically about a players mother having cancer, or being dead, etc. Just bacause there were some African-American staff member who happen to live in Fargo didn't see it as being racist, doesn't mean one who lives in Indianapolis, with a different background, wouldn't. While I can believe that those involved were not intending statements to be interpreted this way, it doesn't mean others won't. Whether it was intentianally malicious or not has no bearing on this.

In the reporting from UND's nickname dispute, it is obvious that some members of the Sioux tribe don't have a problem with the nickname. It is equally obvious that some do find it offensive. The nickname itself is not intentianally malicious, but the way it is portrayed & used may be percieved that way by others.

So I guess nobody can ever say anything at a basketball game, since it might offend somebody? Give me a break, this is the student section and college kids are going to say stupid things. Racial slurs are never appropriate, but I don't think that happened here.

I take everything Hunter said with a grain of salt, he challenged a student to a fight, something that is completely unacceptable. I don't care what was said, he is the mature adult and he didn't act like one.

The students were wrong because they didn't back off, I mean the game is over why in the heck are you even talking to them? Get over it.

I am tired of talking about this nonevent, I am tired of people making a big deal out of what probably was just a misunderstanding to begin with.

[Roy]

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So I guess nobody can ever say anything at a basketball game, since it might offend somebody? Give me a break, this is the student section and college kids are going to say stupid things. Racial slurs are never appropriate, but I don't think that happened here.

I take everything Hunter said with a grain of salt, he challenged a student to a fight, something that is completely unacceptable. I don't care what was said, he is the mature adult and he didn't act like one.

The students were wrong because they didn't back off, I mean the game is over why in the heck are you even talking to them? Get over it.

I am tired of talking about this nonevent, I am tired of people making a big deal out of what probably was just a misunderstanding to begin with.

In Washington this would be known as Spin!

[RabbitObsessed]

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If Hunter did say that then he is also at fault. He is the professional and should not react.

[JackJD]

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So I guess nobody can ever say anything at a basketball game, since it might offend somebody? Give me a break, this is the student section and college kids are going to say stupid things. Racial slurs are never appropriate, but I don't think that happened here.

I take everything Hunter said with a grain of salt, he challenged a student to a fight, something that is completely unacceptable. I don't care what was said, he is the mature adult and he didn't act like one.

The students were wrong because they didn't back off, I mean the game is over why in the heck are you even talking to them? Get over it.

I am tired of talking about this nonevent, I am tired of people making a big deal out of what probably was just a misunderstanding to begin with.

I think the posts by HoboJack are worth rereading by our friend FargoBison and ndsubison1.

For fans who think because they've bought a ticket, they have a right to do whatever it takes to influence the outcome of a game, perhaps those fans (they exist or have the potential to exist at every school) ought to think that many other fans -- the overwhelming majority -- do not appreciate some of their tactics.

I remember being told many years ago that the problem with using profanity is the very words are intended to evoke a strong response -- a response that is unpredictable. HoboJack wrote that those doing the heckling did not know how the listener would receive their words. Like swearing at someone, heckling someone is intended to evoke a strong response -- a response which cannot be predicted. One of the Bison posters noted this has happened before at NDSU games. Coach Kampe laughs it off. Coach Nagy ignores it. Coach Hunter got upset. That's the point: the hecklers are trying to get a reaction. So, they get one from Coach Hunter (and now some criticize the Coach for reacting??? What the heck kind of logic is that?) The hecklers wanted the Coach to react. They got what they wanted.

"Just heckling" is like "just swearing" at someone. Don't be surprised when the very intent of one's heckling, strikes a nerve and there is a reaction.

To me, what Coach Hunter did isn't too relevant. He wouldn't have done anything if the jerks in the crowd didn't push until they got a reaction.

I listened to most of Coach Hunter's radio interview. I'm not going back to listen to it again but I believe I heard him say (go listen to it yourself) that the comments being shouted at the IUPUI bench were racially motivated or words to that effect. He didn't seem to state that racial epithets were being thrown at them...just that under the circumstances he concluded there was a racial overtone to the comments.

I've heard fans brag about how they got into the heads of the opposing team or coaches. Is that what some "fans" think they get when they buy a ticket? I think that is not the case in Frost Arena and for 99.9% of the fans in NDSU's BSA, that's not the case. I think "fans" like that have no business sitting in the same arena where college athletes are trying to do their best playing a game.

There is a line out there that can be crossed and vigorous fan support becomes impermissible heckling. Those who push the limit will cause more security and tighter rules that will have the unintended consequence of dampening what otherwise is probably acceptable fan involvement. I've read many times how some NDSU fans get upset at what they call the Dome Nazis. Don't they wonder why the Dome Nazis came about? Now they'll talk about the BSA Nazis.

[jacks1]

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FargoBison: You have like 13 posts in this thread. We get your point. It is mostly wrong. Good night.

[TeaJackrabbit]

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And I'm not throwing stones from a glass house. I would (and maybe someday will) say the same things if there was an incident like this at SDSU.

I will say this...I was at the WIU-SDSU game. I was sitting on the floor, just past half-court on the visitors side. While I didn't hear anything personal or overly offensive, the stuff I heard from some SDSU fans embarrassed me. I was sitting 6 feet from where the ref stands while FT's are being shot, so I heard everything directed at him. What's the point? Me and my friend had a good laugh b/c one guy called for a travel (on WIU) every time for at least a ten possessions straight. It seemed like one guy would yell and that would embolden a few others. The weird thing is, I thought that, especially for the Summit, the game was called pretty fair.

[TeaJackrabbit]

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After reading three different message boards, etc on this, here is my .02:

Nothing racial was said. The crowd say they saw an IUPUI player that looked like someone named "Ringer" and chanted his name. Could have sounded like another word maybe. 3-4 NDSU employees (all black) were within earshot of the crowd and all said nothing racial was said.

I think the fans in question, who I would lable idiots, get a kick out of running their mouths to the opposing team. Seen it a million times. Their hope is to get in someones head, to get a look, to get attention, to possibly have an effect on the game. Again....idiots. I think they are ignored 99% of the time. Those of us who have played know the last thing to do is to give them attention or let them think they are getting to you. I would imagine Hunter and/or players did just that and it only intensified the crowd x1,000.

I know that some of the fans were happy and gloating the next day. Idiots. Hunter said he hasn't seen anything like it in his 20-some years coaching. I would argue that is due in large part to coaching in the Summit and having maybe one smalltime rival. There are coaches and kids from maor conferences (and conferences like the NCC) that could tell you some stories that would make the NDSU people look like nuns. The party most responsible, IMO, is NDSU admin. NDSU fans look like lowlife jerks, IUPUI looks like they can't take the heat but NDSU admin looks like the biggest dummies for not being proactive. The Skyforce have had a uniformed policeman behind the opposing bench since day one, 20+ years ago.

[Nidaros]

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After reading three different message boards, etc on this, here is my .02:

Nothing racial was said. The crowd say they saw an IUPUI player that looked like someone named "Ringer" and chanted his name. Could have sounded like another word maybe. 3-4 NDSU employees (all black) were within earshot of the crowd and all said nothing racial was said.

I think the fans in question, who I would lable idiots, get a kick out of running their mouths to the opposing team. Seen it a million times. Their hope is to get in someones head, to get a look, to get attention, to possibly have an effect on the game. Again....idiots. I think they are ignored 99% of the time. Those of us who have played know the last thing to do is to give them attention or let them think they are getting to you. I would imagine Hunter and/or players did just that and it only intensified the crowd x1,000.

I know that some of the fans were happy and gloating the next day. Idiots. Hunter said he hasn't seen anything like it in his 20-some years coaching. I would argue that is due in large part to coaching in the Summit and having maybe one smalltime rival. There are coaches and kids from maor conferences (and conferences like the NCC) that could tell you some stories that would make the NDSU people look like nuns. The party most responsible, IMO, is NDSU admin. NDSU fans look like lowlife jerks, IUPUI looks like they can't take the heat but NDSU admin looks like the biggest dummies for not being proactive. The Skyforce have had a uniformed policeman behind the opposing bench since day one, 20+ years ago.

I dont think you can say its a Ron Hunter problem or an NDSU problem. Its a Summit League problem. The Summit League tournament is more than basketball games. It allows adminstrators from all ten schools to meet at various levels, presidents, AD and coaches. I would be very surprised if this incident is not brought up and discussed. I keep hammering away at the fact that a number of measures and precautions can be put in place by the Conference which will prevent a repeat of this matter. I also wonder if this is okay for Coach Nagy to be harassed on the road or for some of our players to be harassed. I think going on the road has its challenges for IUPIU just as much as it does for our Jackrabbits. If we expect good treament, then it has to start at home. All the Summit league members have their share of responsiblity to assure the visiting team is treated properly in their own facility.
The finger can be pointed at NDSU, but we need 10 fingers here in order to point at every conference member.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Me and my friend had a good laugh b/c one guy called for a travel (on WIU) every time for at least a ten possessions straight. It seemed like one guy would yell and that would embolden a few others. The weird thing is, I thought that, especially for the Summit, the game was called pretty fair.

Was this guy in the student section? Because I was sitting about 5 feet to the left of someone doing this.

[89rabbit]

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I like blueberry pie.


Go State!

[filbert]

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The scent of pummeled expired equine is definitely in the air . . .

[Kemo]

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I heckled my mother about making me a pie the other day!