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  • #46
    Re: Joe Scott out as Denver Coach?

    When Joe Scott was released at Denver U, I went to the Denver Post website to read the story and see if an “official” reason was provided by Denver. Here are the opening paragraphs from the 3/11/16 story:

    A bid to the NCAA Tournament was a major missing link to the University of Denver's men's basketball program, and it cost coach Joe Scott his job.

    Scott's nine-year term at the helm of the Pioneers ended Friday with two years left on his contract. The Pioneers posted a 146-132 record during Scott's term, which started with the 2007-08 season. They played in the Sun Belt Conference, the Western Athletic Conference and the Summit League, winning the WAC title in 2012-13 and posting a 61-57 victory over Ohio University in the National Invitation Tournament. The 2012-13 team was 22-10 overall and 16-2 in conference games.

    "We want to get to the NCAA Tournament in men's basketball," said Ryan Peck, DU's associate vice chancellor of external affairs. "We looked at what Joe's team had done over the nine years and decided it was time to make a transition. Postseason success had not occurred."

    Here’s a link to the story: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29...d-be-successor

    Some posters have wondered what’s going on when Coach Cremeans retains her job as women’s basketball coach. It’s a good question. Her record is going from bad to worse: 2012-13: 14 wins and 17 losses; 13-14: 9 and 23; 14-15: 8 and 23; and 15-16: 5 and 25. Total for her four seasons: 36 wins, 88 losses. No NCAA appearances.

    Old Hare, you suggest there may be fear of a wrongful discharge lawsuit based on sex or pregnancy. DU’s President (Chancellor) and its AD are both female. I doubt they walk around fearful of such a claim. I'm quite familiar with wrongful discharge lawsuits and this doesn't look like one. (And on your mention of spilled coffee – it’s clear you haven’t read the facts of the McDonald’s case. I can provide you with those facts and, like most who read the actual facts, you’d probably not refer to that case as proof of frivolous lawsuits. If you want to talk about actual frivolous lawsuits, I can give you some citations to those too, and you can read about how the system resolved them.)

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    • #47
      Re: Joe Scott out as Denver Coach?

      Originally posted by JackJD View Post
      When Joe Scott was released at Denver U, I went to the Denver Post website to read the story and see if an “official” reason was provided by Denver. Here are the opening paragraphs from the 3/11/16 story:

      A bid to the NCAA Tournament was a major missing link to the University of Denver's men's basketball program, and it cost coach Joe Scott his job.

      Scott's nine-year term at the helm of the Pioneers ended Friday with two years left on his contract. The Pioneers posted a 146-132 record during Scott's term, which started with the 2007-08 season. They played in the Sun Belt Conference, the Western Athletic Conference and the Summit League, winning the WAC title in 2012-13 and posting a 61-57 victory over Ohio University in the National Invitation Tournament. The 2012-13 team was 22-10 overall and 16-2 in conference games.

      "We want to get to the NCAA Tournament in men's basketball," said Ryan Peck, DU's associate vice chancellor of external affairs. "We looked at what Joe's team had done over the nine years and decided it was time to make a transition. Postseason success had not occurred."

      Here’s a link to the story: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29...d-be-successor

      Some posters have wondered what’s going on when Coach Cremeans retains her job as women’s basketball coach. It’s a good question. Her record is going from bad to worse: 2012-13: 14 wins and 17 losses; 13-14: 9 and 23; 14-15: 8 and 23; and 15-16: 5 and 25. Total for her four seasons: 36 wins, 88 losses. No NCAA appearances.

      Old Hare, you suggest there may be fear of a wrongful discharge lawsuit based on sex or pregnancy. DU’s President (Chancellor) and its AD are both female. I doubt they walk around fearful of such a claim. I'm quite familiar with wrongful discharge lawsuits and this doesn't look like one. (And on your mention of spilled coffee – it’s clear you haven’t read the facts of the McDonald’s case. I can provide you with those facts and, like most who read the actual facts, you’d probably not refer to that case as proof of frivolous lawsuits. If you want to talk about actual frivolous lawsuits, I can give you some citations to those too, and you can read about how the system resolved them.)
      And no mention of that horrible Princeton Offense? I am shocked! There were other considerations such as no NCAA appearances after nine long years. I think this is a major goal for just about any D1 coach.
      Last edited by Nidaros; 03-15-2016, 07:13 AM.

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      • #48
        Re: Joe Scott out as Denver Coach?

        Originally posted by Nidaros View Post
        And no mention of that horrible Princeton Offense? I am shocked! There were other considerations such as no NCAA appearances after nine long years. I think this is a major goal for just about any D1 coach.
        Exactly. That's the goal of every team in the conference. I don't think the initial dose of reality kicked in yet at denver. Maybe now it will.
        "The most rewarding things you do in life, are often the ones that look like they cannot be done.” Arnold Palmer

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        • #49
          Re: Joe Scott out as Denver Coach?

          Originally posted by goon View Post
          Exactly. That's the goal of every team in the conference. I don't think the initial dose of reality kicked in yet at denver. Maybe now it will.
          Wiki says he has a law degree from Notre Dame and briefly practiced before going back into coaching. If JackJD is looking for help, here is your guy. He seems to be a very likable guy.

          Changing thoughts here, is an NCAA appearance, more of an ego trip for Presidents or in the Summit League, would it mean more NCAA Dance dollars? Seems like the cash is handed out by conference and each member gets a equal piece of the pie. I think its more about prestige than dollars, unless we are speaking of the Power 5 conference.

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          • #50
            Re: Denver fire head basketball coach Joe Scott.

            Will be interesting to look back in 4 years and see if we are referring to "the billups experiment". Or if they have made a trip to the dance.

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            • #51
              Re: Denver fire head basketball coach Joe Scott.

              Originally posted by slosho View Post
              Will be interesting to look back in 4 years and see if we are referring to "the billups experiment". Or if they have made a trip to the dance.

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              The admin wants a change in direction, and Joe was pretty much a 500 per cent guy in terms of wins and losses. I would think financially he would have been further down the road if he had stayed in the legal profession. What do I know, but I expect the change is a positive one for Denver University. Nine years is more than enough time to make an NCAA appearance..

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              • #52
                Re: Denver fire head basketball coach Joe Scott.

                Chauncey Billups sightings next year at the SLT?

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                • #53
                  Re: Denver fire head basketball coach Joe Scott.

                  From the Too-Lazy-to-Look-it-Up Department: Who are the longest-tenured Summit League head coaches without an NCAA appearance?

                  Nine years seems like a fair amount of time, but other than Nagy and Richman, everybody's on at least a 5-year drought, right?
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                  • #54
                    Re: Joe Scott out as Denver Coach?

                    Originally posted by Nidaros View Post
                    Wiki says he has a law degree from Notre Dame and briefly practiced before going back into coaching. If JackJD is looking for help, here is your guy. He seems to be a very likable guy....
                    Former Western Illinois Coach Jim Molinari, now an Assistant at Nebraska, has a law degree from DePaul. While at DePaul, he started working with Ray Meyer during some good years.

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                    • #55
                      Re: Denver fire head basketball coach Joe Scott.

                      Originally posted by jacksfaninne View Post
                      From the Too-Lazy-to-Look-it-Up Department: Who are the longest-tenured Summit League head coaches without an NCAA appearance?

                      Nine years seems like a fair amount of time, but other than Nagy and Richman, everybody's on at least a 5-year drought, right?
                      Scott Sutton has not taken a team to the NCAA since 2007, so his drought is 9 years, but I doubt his job is in jeopardy. On the other hand he has not done so well in the Southland or the Summit in the past few year.

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                      • #56
                        Re: Joe Scott out as Denver Coach?

                        Originally posted by JackJD View Post
                        Former Western Illinois Coach Jim Molinari, now an Assistant at Nebraska, has a law degree from DePaul. While at DePaul, he started working with Ray Meyer during some good years.
                        That's interesting. I went to a DePaul game about 1980, they were still playing on campus and shortly after they move to the big arena whose name I don't recall. Do lawyers make good coaches?

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                        • #57
                          Re: Joe Scott out as Denver Coach?

                          Originally posted by JackJD View Post
                          When Joe Scott was released at Denver U, I went to the Denver Post website to read the story and see if an “official” reason was provided by Denver. Here are the opening paragraphs from the 3/11/16 story:

                          A bid to the NCAA Tournament was a major missing link to the University of Denver's men's basketball program, and it cost coach Joe Scott his job.

                          Scott's nine-year term at the helm of the Pioneers ended Friday with two years left on his contract. The Pioneers posted a 146-132 record during Scott's term, which started with the 2007-08 season. They played in the Sun Belt Conference, the Western Athletic Conference and the Summit League, winning the WAC title in 2012-13 and posting a 61-57 victory over Ohio University in the National Invitation Tournament. The 2012-13 team was 22-10 overall and 16-2 in conference games.

                          "We want to get to the NCAA Tournament in men's basketball," said Ryan Peck, DU's associate vice chancellor of external affairs. "We looked at what Joe's team had done over the nine years and decided it was time to make a transition. Postseason success had not occurred."
                          Maybe they should have stayed in the WAC a few more years. The only real competition to get to the NCAA, till Bakersfield stepped up this year was NMSU. Of course being associated with the some of the dregs in that conference would have done nothing for DU's academic image which, lets be honest; should be what it is all about.

                          I do think they thought it would be easier than it has been in the Summit. Scott may not have been surprised at the level of play, but I have a feeling some in the DU administration were.

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                          • #58
                            Re: Denver fire head basketball coach Joe Scott.

                            In the past 22 Summit/MidCon years, Valpo has gone 8 times. ORU has gone 3 times(consecutively), Oakland has gone 3 times, NDSU has gone 3 times, SDSU has gone 3 times, IUPUI has gone 1 time, and Southern Utah has gone 1 time. That is 7 different teams. 3 of those teams are no longer in the Summit. It is a difficult ticket to punch. Western Illinois won the first conference tournament in 1983-84. The Jackrabbits and Bison have been very fortunate to field competitive teams early in the transition years in order to enjoy this success of the NCAA tournament.
                            Best to remember these are kids and they are doing everything they can to entertain us, be scholars, and all in all be great humans. Jackedforlife

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                            • #59
                              Re: Denver fire head basketball coach Joe Scott.

                              Originally posted by OldHare View Post
                              In the past 22 Summit/MidCon years, Valpo has gone 8 times. ORU has gone 3 times(consecutively), Oakland has gone 3 times, NDSU has gone 3 times, SDSU has gone 3 times, IUPUI has gone 1 time, and Southern Utah has gone 1 time. That is 7 different teams. 3 of those teams are no longer in the Summit. It is a difficult ticket to punch. Western Illinois won the first conference tournament in 1983-84. The Jackrabbits and Bison have been very fortunate to field competitive teams early in the transition years in order to enjoy this success of the NCAA tournament.
                              I hope Jacks fans appreciate how spoiled we are with the men's and women's teams. We've been eligible for 8 years and have now secured 10 appearances between the men and women. Really remarkable what the teams are doing, and should not be overlooked.

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                              • #60
                                Re: Denver fire head basketball coach Joe Scott.

                                Originally posted by Jacks-02 View Post
                                I hope Jacks fans appreciate how spoiled we are with the men's and women's teams. We've been eligible for 8 years and have now secured 10 appearances between the men and women. Really remarkable what the teams are doing, and should not be overlooked.
                                I had this same thought while watching some of the other conference tournament championships. The amount of emotion from players/coaches/fans trying to make a tournament for the first time in 10+ years is something I didn't see at the SLT championship.
                                “I used to be with it. But then they changed what it was. Now what I’m with isn’t it, and what’s it seems scary and wierd. It’ll happen to you.” — Abe Simpson

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