Dave Boots retires

[jacks1]

Re: Dave Boots retires

I've heard a couple of theories, and these are just theories not even things I heard from my friend who knows someone. Or any of my friends who are from Vermillion just flat out THEORIES

1. He has beef with the new A.D. and when school ramped up something happened to trigger the decision.

Its reasonable, new A.D. took over when late last spring? I have no clue on their relationship, and won't pretend to

2. Its health, it could be, the not so quiet rumor out of Vermillion was that he wasn't sticking too long after Jordan graduated.

The timing leads me to think this could be it.

3. Kinda what MD is saying, he wanted Joey James to get the head job and believed that this was the best way to get him the job and to help him get started

could be, only issue I have is timing, you may help him get the job, but leaving now also causes problems.

4. The one that my friends keep texting me. When is the other shoe going to drop? Is someone going to jail? Did he get fired? Did something illegal happen? Is the NCAA going to come in?

On this one, I'm not sure, when Meirkort got canned, they kept it pretty quiet and there were quite a few rumors flying involving numerous areas. I never heard those with Boots, I thought he was cocky, I thought he ran a gimmick defense, I thought he relied too much on JuCo's, but I never thought he ran a dirty program and always thought he was a solid face to put on a program. So that one I'd be shocked if it was the reason.

Its interesting to say the least. Leaving at any time is interesting for a guy who has been there as long as he has, but to leave now just makes it that much more interesting.

So he's been retired for a few hours and you've already heard all these theories, but not from your friend who knows someone, or any friends from Vermillion? Makes perfect sense. I agree with SDSUAlum08...why even post this crap.

[Kemo]

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Coach Boots retiring this close to the start of the season is not an accident.

Had he retired at the end of last season, there would've been a chance AD Herbster would hire outside the program (almost a sure thing had Sayler still been there). Boots retiring now all but guarantees his long time player/assistant coach Joey James will get the interim job due to lack of time to conduct a thorough coaching search and it being well past the usual hiring season.

Coach James will now get a season to prove himself worthy of the full-time position, and at the very least give him valuable experience to put on a resume if it doesn't work out.

[Nidaros]

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Do I really care why he left? No

USD as SDSU has to go through a process, for a replacement, I believe it is state law. Kemo might be on to something, opening it up to outside applications might hurt James's chances. If he is the slam dunk choice, then this is the way to go. Seems odd, the whole affair, but without a clear explanation, our friend from Tyndall and others are having has a field day with speculation. Maybe YE can clear the smoke of speculation for us.

[missile]

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usd just got ten tmes better

[yoteforever]

Re: Dave Boots retires

Good morning. Yesterday morning Coach Boots walked into the AD's office and gave him his letter of intent to retire. It caught David Herbster off guard as much as anyone. Practice starts October 5th I believe. Anyway, I can tell you that there is no known health issue as the reason. There is not player problems or sanctions on the horizon as some have speculated. I personally believe it happened for a couple of reasons. The first is Dave never ever really bought into the D-1 concept, and I think he had a hard time adjusting to it. Dave was a good coach, and did a great job at the lower level, but never intended to give the D-1 move a good effort. If you look at his teams the past 2-3 years, they were not typical Dave Boots teams. I think he basically quit recruiting, and left that up to his assistants. In other words, I think Coach Boots is pooped out. Mentally checked out. Now the timing thing is another issue. No one, and I repeat no one, will no for sure the logic for why now, but it is being speculated that this was Dave's way of being loyal to Joey James, and given the time of year, hopefully force the administration to accept Joey as the interim coach for the upcoming season. I do think Dave has misjudged the ability of this AD to find a suitable replacement. There are a number of candidates, if Herbster chooses not to go with Joey James, that coach at the D-1 level (assistants) that will make the move. I personally know of two. Herbster will do what's best for USD, and won't be manipulated by this move. Form a personal point of view, I think it was selfish on Coach Boots part to elect to make this move now. He was so well respected for his past, that I think he felt he could get away with it. As some people have posted on our board, they wish him well, blah, blah, blah, but others have posted it was poor timing and he didn't show the same level of respect to the university that the university has shown towards him. I like Dave Boots, but I'm extremely disappointed in his move now.

[Nidaros]

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Good morning. Yesterday morning Coach Boots walked into the AD's office and gave him his letter of intent to retire. It caught David Herbster off guard as much as anyone. Practice starts October 5th I believe. Anyway, I can tell you that there is no known health issue as the reason. There is not player problems or sanctions on the horizon as some have speculated. I personally believe it happened for a couple of reasons. The first is Dave never ever really bought into the D-1 concept, and I think he had a hard time adjusting to it. Dave was a good coach, and did a great job at the lower level, but never intended to give the D-1 move a good effort. If you look at his teams the past 2-3 years, they were not typical Dave Boots teams. I think he basically quit recruiting, and left that up to his assistants. In other words, I think Coach Boots is pooped out. Mentally checked out. Now the timing thing is another issue. No one, and I repeat no one, will no for sure the logic for why now, but it is being speculated that this was Dave's way of being loyal to Joey James, and given the time of year, hopefully force the administration to accept Joey as the interim coach for the upcoming season. I do think Dave has misjudged the ability of this AD to find a suitable replacement. There are a number of candidates, if Herbster chooses not to go with Joey James, that coach at the D-1 level (assistants) that will make the move. I personally know of two. Herbster will do what's best for USD, and won't be manipulated by this move. Form a personal point of view, I think it was selfish on Coach Boots part to elect to make this move now. He was so well respected for his past, that I think he felt he could get away with it. As some people have posted on our board, they wish him well, blah, blah, blah, but others have posted it was poor timing and he didn't show the same level of respect to the university that the university has shown towards him. I like Dave Boots, but I'm extremely disappointed in his move now.

Thanks, now this makes sense, and if anyone has an inside at USD, it YE. Too me, coaching is a pressure cooker and if Dave was tired of it all, then I think he did the right thing. The timing? Not the best.

[jack power]

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Do I really care why he left? No

USD as SDSU has to go through a process, for a replacement, I believe it is state law. Kemo might be on to something, opening it up to outside applications might hurt James's chances. If he is the slam dunk choice, then this is the way to go. Seems odd, the whole affair, but without a clear explanation, our friend from Tyndall and others are having has a field day with speculation. Maybe YE can clear the smoke of speculation for us.

While it's true the University has to go through a hiring process, they also can get around that by doing an "emergency hire". With Boots retiring this late, it appears this instance would qualify.

[SDSUAlum08]

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Good morning. Yesterday morning Coach Boots walked into the AD's office and gave him his letter of intent to retire. It caught David Herbster off guard as much as anyone. Practice starts October 5th I believe. Anyway, I can tell you that there is no known health issue as the reason. There is not player problems or sanctions on the horizon as some have speculated. I personally believe it happened for a couple of reasons. The first is Dave never ever really bought into the D-1 concept, and I think he had a hard time adjusting to it. Dave was a good coach, and did a great job at the lower level, but never intended to give the D-1 move a good effort. If you look at his teams the past 2-3 years, they were not typical Dave Boots teams. I think he basically quit recruiting, and left that up to his assistants. In other words, I think Coach Boots is pooped out. Mentally checked out. Now the timing thing is another issue. No one, and I repeat no one, will no for sure the logic for why now, but it is being speculated that this was Dave's way of being loyal to Joey James, and given the time of year, hopefully force the administration to accept Joey as the interim coach for the upcoming season. I do think Dave has misjudged the ability of this AD to find a suitable replacement. There are a number of candidates, if Herbster chooses not to go with Joey James, that coach at the D-1 level (assistants) that will make the move. I personally know of two. Herbster will do what's best for USD, and won't be manipulated by this move. Form a personal point of view, I think it was selfish on Coach Boots part to elect to make this move now. He was so well respected for his past, that I think he felt he could get away with it. As some people have posted on our board, they wish him well, blah, blah, blah, but others have posted it was poor timing and he didn't show the same level of respect to the university that the university has shown towards him. I like Dave Boots, but I'm extremely disappointed in his move now.

Thanks YF. This is what I've heard as well. I also believe that by waiting until after school starts, it forces players to finish out the season and not allow them to transfer because they're already enrolled.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Thanks YF. This is what I've heard as well. I also believe that by waiting until after school starts, it forces players to finish out the season and not allow them to transfer because they're already enrolled.

I would be disappointed in Boots if he purposely waited until after school started to "force" kids to stay at USD.

[jackmd]

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I was on a mobile device last night and I hate posting from those things. There has been an undercurrent of pressure and debate about Coach Boots and his job the last 5 years. Almost every alum I talk to seemed to think he was going to be replaced in the very near future. Most, not all, but most felt some loyalty to him for having stuck through a transition to DI he was not fully in support of making. He could have (maybe should have?) jumped ship like Lavin did.

Anyways, I am hearing a couple different things. Some are very staunch supporters of Joey James and they want him named the head coach now. No interim label, give him a vote of confidence and make it clear to any kids that are on the hook that James will be their coach going forward.

The other school of thought is along the lines of YFE. There are several DI assistance that appear ready to jump at the offer to coach a fledgling DI team that is about to get a brand new facility. I don't know what Herbster will choose to do. Quite a challenging issue in his first 6 months on the job.

[bigticket1]

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Naming an interim coach , regardless if it is the current assistant or someone else , basically makes this a throw-away year for recruiting for USD. It's hard to imagine a recruit signing his name in November when they have no idea who they will be playing for. You would have to think if the AD can find a permanent coach that he is comfortable with , that is the direction that makes sense.

[Jacked_Up]

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The timing of Boots' retirement makes sense when viewed in the context of the James theory and as a way to lock players into USD for the year. Boots is only 57, five or six years younger than Joe Glenn. He must really be burned out. Maybe the state retirement-qualification rule of 85 (years of service plus age) played into the timing of the resignation, too. Regardless, the AD has a big opportunity to inspire or disappoint USD's rather stagnant fan base.

[HoboD]

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Do I really care why he left? No

USD as SDSU has to go through a process, for a replacement, I believe it is state law. Kemo might be on to something, opening it up to outside applications might hurt James's chances. If he is the slam dunk choice, then this is the way to go. Seems odd, the whole affair, but without a clear explanation, our friend from Tyndall and others are having has a field day with speculation. Maybe YE can clear the smoke of speculation for us.

There is no state law requiring any specific hiring process for a coaching position or any other "exempt" positions. There may be a regent policy that requires it, I dont know about that but typically those positions are posted anyway if for no other reason than to give the appearance that it wasnt "wired" from the start.

[Nidaros]

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There is no state law requiring any specific hiring process for a coaching position or any other "exempt" positions. There may be a regent policy that requires it, I dont know about that but typically those positions are posted anyway if for no other reason than to give the appearance that it wasnt "wired" from the start.

I will assume you are right on the regent policy. It does make good sense, and an opportunity to add new people. Salary requirments might force USD to go with Joey James.

[Grizzled_Jack]

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Reminds me of when I worked for Georgia state government in the seventies. Most elected row office holders quit before the end of their terms. They'd resign with a year or so to go and turn it over to a trusted assistant who would be an incumbent by the next election.

If I was a new AD and wanted to exert my ideas, that would piss me off.