Becky Francis "retires" at Oakland (update: "fired for cause")

[RabbitObsessed]

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Did someone call for rain. (Jimmy dean commercial)

As long as it's not Paula Deen. /current events

[Nidaros]

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Did someone call for rain. (Jimmy dean commercial)

Why so low cloud? Didn't you have a good breakfast. One bite was all it took to get the cloud going. The sun guy seems to get us all going in the morning, but what does this have to do with Becky and her pray or no play program?

[Nidaros]

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It's much,much harder being a Christian and trying to worship your God in a Muslim country,maybe they(the Muslims) make their own problems by not keeping their radicals in check.I don't think they have to worry too much about violence in America,where as the threat of violence or death is very real in Muslim countries.

I don't think a Christian in a Muslim country could complain in Taliban country about undo religious influence being applied in Afghanistan.Oh that's right , they don't believe in freedom of religion in the Muslim world.I hope you don't think this is a pesonal thing,i just wanted to debate this statement and give my own opinion....sorry(turned the other cheek enough times where i've been slapped silly)

Yeah this goes along the lines of the evils of communism. Some of those evils are in place today such as unemployment insurance, social security, workmans comp and some others too. So there is some good in every religion and every form of government. Surely some of the muslins have something like this going on, besides chopping off hands for not praying to Allah.

But if you must pray or you will not play, then that's another matter. That one could cost you your job at a state assisted institution. Like Rabbid said, this policy works at ORU or Liberty, but not Oakland.

[goon]

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Why so low cloud? Didn't you have a good breakfast. One bite was all it took to get the cloud going. The sun guy seems to get us all going in the morning, but what does this have to do with Becky and her pray or no play program?

Exactly. I thought it was time for some thread drift. That's what my mind thought of when 2 posts both had ka booms in um.

[JackJD]

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Here's the latest story on Becky "Head Games" Francis:
http://www.freep.com/article/2013072...special-report

[Nidaros]

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Here's the latest story on Becky "Head Games" Francis:
http://www.freep.com/article/2013072...special-report

What an evil lady? I was just starting to like her and now we have all this stuff that she has pulled over the years. She gives Christianity a bad name. Hardly a Coach Stig.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Here's the latest story on Becky "Head Games" Francis:
http://www.freep.com/article/2013072...special-report

She sounds like a delight.

Some good comments under the article as well.

Sorry, but I like her. Since our society has no morals, I think it's great that someone tries to install good morals into today's young people. Look at today's young adults and teenagers. Tell me that they don't need help!!

Those damn teenagers!!!!

[filbert]

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What an evil lady? I was just starting to like her and now we have all this stuff that she has pulled over the years. She gives Christianity a bad name. Hardly a Coach Stig.

Not evil. Evil is killing millions of human beings. Evil is fascism. Evil is communism. Evil is Crusade-level; Jihad-level religious fanaticism. Evil is killing people for pleasure, for sport, out of whim or simple spite.

Becky Francis is not evil. She appears to be misguided. There's a difference.

Misguided and lacking in judgment, even if she perhaps wanted "what's best" for her players. Possibly, maybe probably misinterpreting Christian teachings, too, but I don't care to go there myself.

/steps on Sunday Night Soapbox:

It is not enough that you're pure in your heart concerning what you want. Because what you want matters, especially when it concerns other people's lives. And what you want for other people "for their own good" may not, in fact, be what's best for those people. There's only one person who's really in a position to judge what's best for that person's life (with the caveat that the person in question is otherwise generally competent in a legal sense). If you're not the person in question, you, yes YOU, need to tread extremely, EXTREMELY lightly in such matters.

Far, FAR too many people on a daily basis forget this rather basic truth, in their rush to do "what's right."

And this is by no means an ideological or political problem. It seems a particularly human trait to fervently believe (and, more's the pity, ACT on that belief) that you know precisely what everybody else should do to make their lives better--when in objective fact it's almost impossible to know to any useful degree of detail what other people should do to optimize their own lives. (That's basically, in one sentence, the essence of the fully mature political philosophy of Nobel Economics Prize Winner F. A. Hayek by the way, as far as I now currently understand his writings.)

/steps off Sunday Night Soapbox.

Oh, and it's a really, really, REALLY bad idea when a head coach of anything is married to the college's president. Just sayin' . . . we'll go with Lord Acton's "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" on that one.

OK, I've name-checked Hayek and Acton, on a college sports fan board.

(mic drop, slow dramatic walk off stage)

[Prairiehaas]

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Or perhaps in this case we can go with. “We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another.” Jonathan Swift

[RabbitObsessed]

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Not evil. Evil is killing millions of human beings. Evil is fascism. Evil is communism. Evil is Crusade-level; Jihad-level religious fanaticism. Evil is killing people for pleasure, for sport, out of whim or simple spite.

Becky Francis is not evil. She appears to be misguided. There's a difference.

Misguided? JFC. You think the people that participated the Crusades or Jihads did it for pleasure or sport? No, they thought what they were doing was right.

Look at the definition of evil according to Merriam-Webster: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evil

You don't think what she did to those players could be characterized as "morally reprehensible"? "Causing harm"? Get the **** out of here.

Misguided???? Look at what she did:

Fixated on their weights, to a point that photos were taken of players in their sports bras and Spandex to chart body changes and that some players developed eating issues.

That ALONE is enough to put her in the evil camp. That is a ****ing disgusting thing to do to another person, especially when in a position of power.

I know you aren't trying to defend her, filbert, but c'mon.

[Nidaros]

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Thanks RO rep pts. given. If Becky had taken the position of volunteering to motor elderly patients to the local clinic, this would not have happened. Meanwhile Marsha Chicione is not in the news.

[witness]

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Did I just see that crusades and jihads thought that what they were doing was right so that makes it OK but Becky Francis is evil. OK then. Also, just because you are following orders doesn't make it right. The Movie "A Few Good Men" is an example of that.

If you want to go the religion route on Crusades, you could also say she thought she was doing what is right by pushing Christianity on the players.

[jackdaniel]

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Lots of good coaches have went over the edge,and have been fired.
Most I'd categorize as control freaks,not Evil ,as you would cojure up images of Devil worshiping,human sacrificing,totally Evil as to not even have a shred of humanity left Evil.The danger here is over dramatizing the situation.She's gone and rightfully so,but I agree with Filbert,i don't think she's any more evil than all the other coaches who were fired for being control freaks.

[witness]

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Lots of good coaches have went over the edge,and have been fired.Most I'd categorize as control freaks,not Evil ,as you would cojure up images of Devil worshiping,human sacrificing,totally Evil as to not even have a shred of humanity left Evil.The danger here is over dramatizing the situation.She's gone and rightfully so,but I agree with Filbert,i don't think she's any more evil than all the other coaches who were fired for being control freaks.

She is a control freak that has a problem with micro-managing everything. I'm guessing that is what bothered the players most, is her micro-managing

[jackdaniel]

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She is a control freak that has a problem with micro-managing everything. I'm guessing that is what bothered the players most, is her micro-managing

I might add,she also got too involved in the players personal life,she should have left it up to them to choose to be religious or not ,it's called free will,and it's what we are judged on,choosing good or choosing evil.