ORU -- at-large?

[bigticket1]

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wouldn't be surprised if Southern Illinois talked to both Nagy and Malinari.... ESPN mentioned that Saul Phillips could be in the mix, but I don't know if I understand that

I have heard rumors that if/when Bruce Weber is canned at Illinois,that he might reurn to Southern where he was very successful in the past.

[Nidaros]

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I have heard rumors that if/when Bruce Weber is canned at Illinois,that he might reurn to Southern where he was very successful in the past.

Are we not getting off topic here? An at large bid by ORU seems to have little to do with coaching musical chairs.

I have my doubts about an ORU at large bid. My reason are the same as some have offered. ORU is in Tulsa, and kind of 3rd rate power in the state of Oklahoma. Another question: Is this the best team ORU has put on the floor? Other than Morrison, Pearson and Roundtree, there is not much else except Niles perhaps. The Sutton connection might not mean much to a selection committee looking at facts and figures.

[MaddogJack]

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I would be surprised if nagy would be interested. I could see it could make sense but his roots are in sd now and kids in school nice town to live in and he has the program so it apears playing at the level he wants and has shown can grow as a coach. Unless we see a bunch of 6 win seasons again I think its nagys job till he is ready to move on maybe after kids are done or retire.

I agree and say that it would be shocking if Coach Nagy expresses any real interest in a bigger program job. A few years ago, yes - but he has weathered the "transition storm" and I think until his two oldest kids are done at BHS, he will remain a fixture. How cool is it that his boys got to experience their own sort of "summit" last night by qualifying for BHS's first tourney bid in 10 years! Go Jacks! Go Nagy's!!!!

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I do not know Nagy personally, but I don't know many people that wouldn't jump at an opportunity to make 3 times as much money (or more) in a more glamorous position. I hope he sticks around, Brookings is a great place, but IMO he would go to many schools in the MVC or higher.

I wonder about what drives coaches sometimes. Competitiveness mostly I would guess. A coach like AJ or Nagy could go down a legend if they stay a whole career in a town like Brookings. If AJ stays in Brookings and continues to have similar success, he will receive PLENTY of national recognition by the time his career is over, much more than if he bounced around to WGB, then a Pac-12, then a SEC. Same goes for Nagy.

[Nidaros]

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I do not know Nagy personally, but I don't know many people that wouldn't jump at an opportunity to make 3 times as much money (or more) in a more glamorous position. I hope he sticks around, Brookings is a great place, but IMO he would go to many schools in the MVC or higher.

I wonder about what drives coaches sometimes. Competitiveness mostly I would guess. A coach like AJ or Nagy could go down a legend if they stay a whole career in a town like Brookings. If AJ stays in Brookings and continues to have similar success, he will receive PLENTY of national recognition by the time his career is over, much more than if he bounced around to WGB, then a Pac-12, then a SEC. Same goes for Nagy.

No body is going no where any time soon, now what does this have to to with an ORU AT LARGE BID?

[jack power]

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I do not know Nagy personally, but I don't know many people that wouldn't jump at an opportunity to make 3 times as much money (or more) in a more glamorous position. I hope he sticks around, Brookings is a great place, but IMO he would go to many schools in the MVC or higher.

I wonder about what drives coaches sometimes. Competitiveness mostly I would guess. A coach like AJ or Nagy could go down a legend if they stay a whole career in a town like Brookings. If AJ stays in Brookings and continues to have similar success, he will receive PLENTY of national recognition by the time his career is over, much more than if he bounced around to WGB, then a Pac-12, then a SEC. Same goes for Nagy.

Agreed. The coach that just got fired at So.Illinois was 3 years in to a 5 year contract worth over 5 mill. If asked,i guarantee you Nagy would take a look,he'd be crazy not to.

[goon]

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Agreed. The coach that just got fired at So.Illinois was 3 years in to a 5 year contract worth over 5 mill. If asked,i guarantee you Nagy would take a look,he'd be crazy not to.

Not everybody is Albert Pujols who just wants the biggest payday. sometimes there are things that you could see as a benefit that does not have a money value associated with it. Maybe they have a great retirement plan in place and can live comfortably the way it is. Maybe they are happy with the kids in school with friends and value that more then moving and starting over where it could be harder to stay....there are money reasons or fame reasons coaches and athletes do stuff but there are a lot who value more then just the pay check. The way I see it is if Nagy wanted to jump ship, he could have gone to a better paying gig not gone through the tough years in the transistion and stick it out if he wanted to leave shortly after it.

Also ORU doesnt deserve a bid IMO.

[MaddogJack]

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No body is going no where any time soon, now what does this have to to with an ORU AT LARGE BID?

Cranky much? (just kidding.) "GET OFF MY LAWN!"

ORU doesn't merit an at large bid. And to the idiots posting (I've seen the trolls on ESPN, CBS Sports, etc) that the Jacks don't deserve to be here and ORU does - suck it. That Western Illinois team shut down a pretty good Michigan team earlier this year and held them to a similar low offensive night.

[filbert]

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I'm starting to see a few more mentions of ORU as being included on the lower edges of the "just missing" group of eight or a dozen bubble teams on a number of sites. There may be a bit of a momentum-wave building for them, as people really start actually comparing their resumes to other bubble teams. They're still an enormous long-shot to sneak in, but I'm not going to say it's completely impossible.

Ironically, SDSU's RPI moving up to #49 as of today gives ORU another "quality win" on their body-of-work.

Everybody needs to root hard for Washington to win out in the Pac-10 tournament . . . and a number of other rather unlikely occurrences in college basketball that I haven't bothered to look into. ORU getting an at-large is nothing but win for the Summit League, as that will guarantee a second share of the tournament payout to the league for the next six years.

[Jacks-02]

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I'm starting to see a few more mentions of ORU as being included on the lower edges of the "just missing" group of eight or a dozen bubble teams on a number of sites. There may be a bit of a momentum-wave building for them, as people really start actually comparing their resumes to other bubble teams. They're still an enormous long-shot to sneak in, but I'm not going to say it's completely impossible.

Ironically, SDSU's RPI moving up to #49 as of today gives ORU another "quality win" on their body-of-work.

Everybody needs to root hard for Washington to win out in the Pac-10 tournament . . . and a number of other rather unlikely occurrences in college basketball that I haven't bothered to look into. ORU getting an at-large is nothing but win for the Summit League, as that will guarantee a second share of the tournament payout to the league for the next six years.

No joke, this would be great for the league. Another ~$240k per year for 6 years to the league and ORU doesn't get any because they are leaving. Would be awesome if they won a few games and really bring in some cash for the league =).

[zooropa]

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I'm starting to see a few more mentions of ORU as being included on the lower edges of the "just missing" group of eight or a dozen bubble teams on a number of sites. There may be a bit of a momentum-wave building for them, as people really start actually comparing their resumes to other bubble teams. They're still an enormous long-shot to sneak in, but I'm not going to say it's completely impossible.

Ironically, SDSU's RPI moving up to #49 as of today gives ORU another "quality win" on their body-of-work.

Everybody needs to root hard for Washington to win out in the Pac-10 tournament . . . and a number of other rather unlikely occurrences in college basketball that I haven't bothered to look into. ORU getting an at-large is nothing but win for the Summit League, as that will guarantee a second share of the tournament payout to the league for the next six years.

It's neat for the Summit that beating SDSU & ORU are both considered to be quality wins.

But I still expect the committee to exclude ORU and include teams that don't belong.

And another factor to consider in all this: If the NCAA's selection process were less flawed, there would probably be fewer upsets, and therefore, a less interesting event.

As it is, as long as the NCAA keeps giving 4 and 5 seeds to power conference teams that lose in the first or second rounds of their tournaments, while giving 12 and 13 seeds to conference tournament winners, you're setting the table for upsets.

Any team that can win a tournament has an advantage over a team that can't. It may not be enough, but it is something.

[MaddogJack]

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No joke, this would be great for the league. Another ~$240k per year for 6 years to the league and ORU doesn't get any because they are leaving. Would be awesome if they won a few games and really bring in some cash for the league =).

THat is the ONLY thing that would make ORU making the tourney "worth it" in my book. That they would pay it forward for the Summit and not reap the benefits moving into the Southland (granted they would obviously reap the benefit of the PR of making it, but I hope you know what I mean!)

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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No body is going no where any time soon, now what does this have to to with an ORU AT LARGE BID?

I didn't bring it up.

[Nidaros]

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I didn't bring it up.

No biggie, we got back on topic.

[Crashola]

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No joke, this would be great for the league. Another ~$240k per year for 6 years to the league and ORU doesn't get any because they are leaving. Would be awesome if they won a few games and really bring in some cash for the league =).

It's all about the Benjamins! Each bid = a bigger check for the Summit. That would be a nice parting gift from ORU.