Big Sky looking at USD

[jackmd]

Re: Big Sky looking at USD

My perspective, the thing I miss most about the old DII days is the NCC. You could pretty much make it to every conference game, home and away, with minimal travel plans. It was great and I miss that. Old rivalries still exist and we are in the process of forming new ones. I don't miss any of the DII rivalries.

There are too many things about the move to DI that I like to list them all but the top few include improved level of play, increased focus on facilities and certain program (WBB and FB), the chance to play DI programs from major conferences, and of course the appearances and opportunities to appear in the Big Dance.

So, USD is a fledgling member in a conference that includes 3 of the 4 DI Dakota schools but really no other "NCC close" programs. The said fledgling conference does not sponsor FB and their current FB conference is no longer going to exist. The variables? Will the MVFC expand to include USD? Will the Summit League continue to promote that expansion in support of USD remaining? Will a move to the BSC be worth it financially? What is the future for either conference? Those are some tough issues for a fan to consider much less the people who have to make the decision.

[zooropa]

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The first round of the NCAA is about $1M to the conference and I believe it's $1m per appearance, not per win.

Nope.

It's roughly $1.25M per first round win (it goes up annually, TV gods willing, and per round), payable over 6 years.

One interesting byproduct of the play-in game is that it counts as a full NCAA tournament game, which means a win adds to the conference's coffers. Arkansas-Pine Bluff's victory over Winthrop in last season's game netted each SWAC school an additional $22,000 (approximately) a year for each of the next six seasons.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ons/index.html

[filbert]

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Threads Merged.

[jacksfan29]

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http://www.greatfallstribune.com/art...n-league-radar

University of Montana Athletic Director Jim O'Day said he was aware that the three schools had expressed interest in joining the Big Sky, but said he didn't think any decision would be made soon.

"I haven't heard anything new, although I keep hearing rumors," O'Day said Wednesday from Missoula.

He said any expansion would come at a price to the current nine members.

"The more you invite, the more ways you split up proceeds from NCAA basketball money ... each share is worth about $1 million (to the Big Sky), and when you go from splitting that nine ways to more than that, you lose a revenue piece."

Nice find, very interesting quotes from O'Day. I get the feeling nothing has been decided yet as it relates to any invites. Fullerton may be out on his own here, or MT are still discussing WAC membership and will not allow anything to occur until they choose. From what I have read, the WAC intends to officially invite on December 1. Stay tuned.

[filbert]

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Irrelevant.

They have absolutely no direct say in the matter, and if any Valley member is willing to give them an indirect say in the matter they should be stripped of their voting privileges.

("Uh, yeah, this is Bob, president of UNI, I just wanted to get all you guys on the phone to find out how you feel about USD in the football conference that you aren't part of, especially from you schools that don't even play football. See, I need to make a decision, and I'm not going to make it unless you all agree with it.")

Saying it don't make it so.

The Missouri Valley Football Conference is piggybacking on the brand of the Missouri Valley Conference. The brand is "The Valley." It's on the field at Coughlin-Alumni Stadium. The MVFC's web site is hosted at MVC-Sports.com.

You're seriously arguing that members of the conference that owns that brand don't have any interest in how and where that brand is used?

Really? Seriously?

[Jacks-02]

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Nope.

It's roughly $1.25M per first round win (it goes up annually, TV gods willing, and per round), payable over 6 years.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ons/index.html

The conference gets $1M for the first round whether the team from the conference wins or loses. They conference gets an addition $1.25M if the team wins because they get another game in the tourney.

From your article link:
One interesting byproduct of the play-in game is that it counts as a full NCAA tournament game, which means a win adds to the conference's coffers. Arkansas-Pine Bluff's victory over Winthrop in last season's game netted each SWAC school an additional $22,000 (approximately) a year for each of the next six seasons.

The words "adds to" and "an additional" means that the conference got money for the play in game (just like any other game) and since they won the conference gets additional money for the second game.

[zooropa]

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You're seriously arguing that members of the conference that owns that brand don't have any interest in how and where that brand is used?

Really? Seriously?

You're saying that 14 schools vote on admission to the MVFC? Including schools that don't sponsor football and schools that sponsor non-scholarship football in the Pioneer League?

Really? Seriously?

Here's my question: Did Creighton vote for SDSU & NDSU? Did they vote against them? Or were they not permitted to vote because the conference was known as the Gateway?

The NCAA considers Patty Viverito to be a league commissioner on peer with Delany and Douple, and if MVFC bylaws granted MVC members any say in the operation of the MVFC, then the MVFC would not be an independent conference and Viverito would not be considered a conference commissioner by the NCAA.

[zooropa]

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The conference gets $1M for the first round

Citation needed.

"Additional" does not presuppose other money from the tournament. You can infer that, but it is not stated absolutely. Additional can mean, "In addition to revenue from TV, blah blah blah."

Maybe the conference gets $x per school, maybe it doesn't. I've never found a source that says anything about anything other than winner's shares.

[Jacks-02]

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Found another article discussing the topic. Looks like the payout is $220k per appearance for the conference with more money then paid for each round after that.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/20...eds-lose-money

"Each conference gets one NCAA share – worth $222,000 this year – for each game their member teams appear in during March Madness. The further a team advances, the more shares (and money) its conference receives. "

[Jacks-02]

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Two more articles discussing the topic.

http://www.projo.com/news/content/NC...2.3b40a1e.html

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ake/index.html

[zooropa]

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Thanks for looking that up.

Instead of $15k (my earlier spitball), I think it's closer to $30k.

Since you get 6 years' worth of appearance money every year, that $5k difference per appearance would turn into $30k, because you get 6 years' worth of appearance money every year.

2 scholarships, assuming that the conference distributes the money evenly, instead of awarding an extra share or shares to the school(s) that represented the conference.

[filbert]

Re: Two more Teams??

You're saying that 14 schools vote on admission to the MVFC? Including schools that don't sponsor football and schools that sponsor non-scholarship football in the Pioneer League?

Really? Seriously?

Here's my question: Did Creighton vote for SDSU & NDSU? Did they vote against them? Or were they not permitted to vote because the conference was known as the Gateway?

The NCAA considers Patty Viverito to be a league commissioner on peer with Delany and Douple, and if MVFC bylaws granted MVC members any say in the operation of the MVFC, then the MVFC would not be an independent conference and Viverito would not be considered a conference commissioner by the NCAA.

I believe you mildly misread my original post which contained the following:

Even if none of the non-football MVC's officially have no say about MVFC membership, it's naive to think that they don't have a serious interest in the Valley brand, an interest that their football-playing MVC conference-mates will take into account when making MVFC membership decisions.

Therefore, it follows that I think you're being naive. You're more than welcome to dispute that. I never said that the five non-football MVC schools had a vote. I said they had an interest.

[zooropa]

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I never said that the five non-football MVC schools had a vote. I said they had an interest.

By that line of reasoning, DC citizens should be content to have no vote in national politics because, after all, they have an interest in the outcome.

Having an interest with no vote is meaningless.

What possible repercussions could Evansville and Bradley bring to bear on Missouri State for voting in favor of USD's admission to the MVFC?

How could such a situation rise to the scenario you outline where the opinions of the NON-MVFC members could trump all other considerations?

The real question is: How do Bradley, Creighton, Drake, Evansville, and Wichita State feel about a potential membership of USD in the Missouri Valley Football Conference

And it's not like USD is Chicago State, for cryin' out loud. A flagship university with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter---I can't conceive of any objection being filed by any non MVFC member of the Valley.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Just listened to USD's AD on Craig and John.

He was pretty blunt and didn't evade questions. He sounded like he is looking at the situation realistically and factually, and it sounded like NOTHING is on the table with MVFC. He also seemed like a man stuck between a rock and a hard place (granted it was a radio interview).

They asked along the lines of: would you prefer a Summit and MVFC membership? His answer was basically that he prefers to deal with reality.

Another quote he gave was "Don't confuse hope with a plan."

Based on that interview, I would say there is an 85% or higher chance that USD ends up in the Big Sky and leaves the Summit.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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He also said Coach Boots was excited with the prospect of playing in the Big Sky.