Trouble in Vermillion

[Mr_Tibbs]

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According to the Argus, this is a new warrant and charge, unrelated to the October charges. That's what the police chief was quoted as saying anyways.

I know innocent until proven guilty, etc......But a potential repeat offender??????

What a mess.

Something tells me this will not be the last incident of this nature in Bob Nielsen's tenure down there.

[JackJD]

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KELO TV reporting this morning (11/24/17) that Dale Williamson Jr, one of the two USD football players arrested in October, is back in jail after being arrested the other day. KELO reports It could not be determined if the new charge is related to the original incident from October. Williamson had been charged in the October incident with attempted second degree rape. Link to KELO report:

http://www.keloland.com/news/article...layer-arrested


(Anyone else finding it curious that more outrage has been expressed by some USD supporters about Coach Eck stating his support of TC for MVP than about the arrests? Maybe apples and oranges but still curious.)

[CappinHard]

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I gotta think it's going to hurt.

Expanding the tread drift even more, is Streveler expected to be back or is he going to miss some time?

I saw a tweet saying that he should be back this Saturday.

[MontanaRabbit]

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On the football side of things..... How about losing your two starting CB (along with one of their backups) right before the brutal UNI-NDSU-SDSU stretch. The Coyotes won't be playing SIU and their VERY generous backup QB the next three weeks. I especially love the thought of Weineke being chased by their backup corners inside a dome.

I gotta think it's going to hurt.

Expanding the tread drift even more, is Streveler expected to be back or is he going to miss some time?

[Southeast]

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On the football side of things..... How about losing your two starting CB (along with one of their backups) right before the brutal UNI-NDSU-SDSU stretch. The Coyotes won't be playing SIU and their VERY generous backup QB the next three weeks. I especially love the thought of Weineke being chased by their backup corners inside a dome.

[SoDakJack]

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Details from Keloland. It's incredibly sad the victim was reluctant to report this because of backlash.

I think this speaks to a majority of the problems with assult on a college campus when athletes are involved. I would also say that a victim at SDSU would probably have the same reservations.

It is a horrible crime and the way that it was handled by USD should be the guide for any program. If, through a court of law, these men* are found guilty I hope that the book is thrown at them. What they allegedly did could very well effect that woman for her entire life.

*IMO anyone that does this is not a man and is barely a person

[THEsocalledfan]

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Entire thing reminds me of the fall of Reggie Scott:

http://www.inforum.com/sports/bison/...08-parking-lot

[Nidaros]

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With all the talk of Stig and our football team this gives some ammo to the grass isn't always greener crowd. I know the coach can't always control the players but we haven't had anything close to this with Stig. The vast majority of the players he and his staff recruit appear to be exemplary student athletes. I love that about Stig.



http://www.keloland.com/news/article...-investigation

Details from Keloland. It's incredibly sad the victim was reluctant to report this because of backlash.

Bingo. I cant give rep points to MontanaRabbit, but would on this one. I do feel bad for Coach Nielsen. He seems to be a real gentleman and a winner of football games. The complaint seems to say that the two defendants will need some skillful legal assistance. I remember stopping into Coach Stig's office during the summer months, a couple of years back. I dont frequent his office but was in the building to get my Difference Maker apparel exchanged. I got the wrong size. I noticed he had his old Selby High School Helmet on the shelve. I asked him if he had any good Selby guys in the program, and he told me he had one, who bombed out by hanging around a bunch of social animals and got into some minor trouble and was later dismissed from the team. I suspect this was not an easy task of kicking someone from your hometown off the team, but he did. Some may think he wears his religion on his sleeve, but it seems to work and sets an example for all on the team.

[SDSUAlum08]

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In a court of law one is innocent until proven guilty but in the modern court of public opinion, one is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt when the accusation is first muttered. Look no further than than recent, well publicized accusations and resulting figurative decapitations coming from nothing more than Twitter tweets. None of this is to say that any such accusations are false or misleading but as it relates to any manner of sexual assault allegations, the justice rendered makes the French revolution look down right judicious. Or for a more on point analogy, the fall out in Dinkytown, where players were meted out serious punishments, some permanently expelled, where the evidence of the actors' states of mind during the act showed it to be nothing more than a consensual, albeit disgusting, act, but consensual none the less. There accuser and female participant, presumably, went without ramification.

I pray that for the accused and accuser each that justice is served in such a challenging environment.

I’m a very big Gopher fan so I understand your point here.

That said, some of the details have come out and it doesn’t look very good.

[JackJD]

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With all the talk of Stig and our football team this gives some ammo to the grass isn't always greener crowd. I know the coach can't always control the players but we haven't had anything close to this with Stig. The vast majority of the players he and his staff recruit appear to be exemplary student athletes. I love that about Stig.



http://www.keloland.com/news/article...-investigation

Details from Keloland. It's incredibly sad the victim was reluctant to report this because of backlash.

Good reminder. As noted by MontanaRabbit a coach cannot always control what players are going to do but Stig runs a great program and minimizes the chance that one of his players will be accused of a crime.

[MontanaRabbit]

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With all the talk of Stig and our football team this gives some ammo to the grass isn't always greener crowd. I know the coach can't always control the players but we haven't had anything close to this with Stig. The vast majority of the players he and his staff recruit appear to be exemplary student athletes. I love that about Stig.



http://www.keloland.com/news/article...-investigation

Details from Keloland. It's incredibly sad the victim was reluctant to report this because of backlash.

[bigticket1]

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In a court of law one is innocent until proven guilty but in the modern court of public opinion, one is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt when the accusation is first muttered. Look no further than than recent, well publicized accusations and resulting figurative decapitations coming from nothing more than Twitter tweets. None of this is to say that any such accusations are false or misleading but as it relates to any manner of sexual assault allegations, the justice rendered makes the French revolution look down right judicious. Or for a more on point analogy, the fall out in Dinkytown, where players were meted out serious punishments, some permanently expelled, where the evidence of the actors' states of mind during the act showed it to be nothing more than a consensual, albeit disgusting, act, but consensual none the less. There accuser and female participant, presumably, went without ramification.

I pray that for the accused and accuser each that justice is served in such a challenging environment.

In the Minnesota case, it was the in-house Title IX investigation that ran roughshod over the players' rights. The 4 or 5 players that were directly involved deserved the penalties they got even though it was determined that there would be no charges in the legal system. The rest of the 10 players that were originally expelled or received multiple game suspensions eventually had their penalties overturned or reduced through the appeal process. Some of these players were not even in the same building when the incident occurred - they were penalized because they had received texts/photos from the participants. None of the players were allowed to have legal reps at interviews or the original hearings. There were no recordings or transcripts of any interviews, only the interviewers notes. There was no opportunity for players or their legal reps to ask questions of the accuser. It was fortunate that one of the accused, Antoine Winfield,Jr. had a family that had the financial wherewithal to hire legal representation that was able to bring some justice through the appeal process. And unfortunately, even the players who had their penalties overturned cannot get their reputations restored.

[jbjack]

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Exactly what I was thinking. Those SDSU players got hosed.

Thoughts are with the girl if it’s true, but innocent until proven guilty.

In a court of law one is innocent until proven guilty but in the modern court of public opinion, one is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt when the accusation is first muttered. Look no further than than recent, well publicized accusations and resulting figurative decapitations coming from nothing more than Twitter tweets. None of this is to say that any such accusations are false or misleading but as it relates to any manner of sexual assault allegations, the justice rendered makes the French revolution look down right judicious. Or for a more on point analogy, the fall out in Dinkytown, where players were meted out serious punishments, some permanently expelled, where the evidence of the actors' states of mind during the act showed it to be nothing more than a consensual, albeit disgusting, act, but consensual none the less. There accuser and female participant, presumably, went without ramification.

I pray that for the accused and accuser each that justice is served in such a challenging environment.

[jackdaniel]

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From the Argus

[JackJD]

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Here's a link to the story in The Volante, the USD student newspaper:

http://volanteonline.com/2017/10/bre...exual-assault/

Side note: The Volante article includes a comment from Tena Haraldson, USD's director of communications and vice president of marketing, enrollment & university relations. Tena was the long-time head of the Associated Press in South Dakota and is a 1976 SDSU Journalism grad--very good hire by USD about three years ago. It's stories like this one that make the director of communications job difficult but she'll handle it as well as it can be handled.