Langer and the White House

[witness]

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100%. I read the article.Title IX really hurt wrestling. Wrestling is Dan Gable.

The significance is that it was in Iowa too. Dan Gable is Iowa, just as Dan Gable is wrestling. He is one of the top 3 US wrestlers of all time. Won a gold with torn cartilage in his knee that he delayed surgery for two years. Since Title IX was implemented, collge wrestling programs have been cut in half.

Here is the article I was talking about. I suggest everybody to read it just so everybody knows how important wrestling is to families stories and if you knew Dan's story you would understand why he is against Title IX. Right now the two biggest opponents Gable is fighting in his life is Title IX and IOC. The two biggest opponents of Dan Gables life and his fight to save wrestling
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/stor...sses-dan-gable

[filbert]

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I think it's dumb. It's taking an event that is meant to celebrate a team achievement and making it about an individual. I don't agree with it no matter what the politics are of the sitting president. It's a douche-y and selfish move.

And Title IX. Lots of negatives there ...

I think the event itself was dumb, although on the scale of things Beltway politicians normally do and say, it registers over here as "mostly harmless."

And . . .

And that's as political as I care to get right now. Here, anyway.

[goon]

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Not like Langer and the 2 other guys are trying to get in front of the camera to say they disagree with the president. Its not uncommon for people from sports teams to sit out regardless of who the president is.

Gotta respect standing for what they believe. Not doing anything disrespectful

[zooropa]

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Title IX has done a lot of good things, but it's also negatively affected a lot of people. A lot of wrestling programs were dropped to create equality in the number of scholarships.

Garbage.

If SDSU can carry wrestling and baseball and be Title IX compliant to the strictest standard on the books, then dang near ANY university that sponsors wrestling can be compliant.

Does anyone in their right mind believe that TITLE IX was the reason why Oregon dropped wrestling to start baseball six years ago? Really? Oregon was too broke to add a total of 20 spots in some combination of women's sports? Really? A school that has over a hundred participants in non-revenue track & field? Then how the heck does SDSU do it?

I'm sorry, but this ticks me off no end. People babbling away about how Title IX ruined wrestling------when a school with an absolute shoestring budget can afford to be dollar-for-dollar Title IX compliant AND carry wrestling and baseball. Geez. If it were that difficult, SDSU should've dropped one or both YEARS ago.

Please. Spare me this garbage. It's not about Title IX, it's about ADs that don't have the willpower or the political capital to make this work.

The next time someone tells you that 'Title IX killed college wrestling' tell them about this podunk college in nowheresville USA that somehow managed to do something impossible----------or at least beyond the reach of the Phil-Knight-money soaked Pac-12 powerhouse--home of a $60M football practice facility-University of Oregon.

And you know what else? These schools that claim they dropped wrestling for Title IX reasons? Check their equity in athletics data. Most of them are still wildly out of compliance on headcount alone, let alone the incredible variance in expenditures at just about every D-1 school. It's closer to the truth to say wrestling's been cut to feed football.

I mean Title IX has given every AD that wants to ax wrestling to dump an addtional bucket of money into football the perfect excuse. I mean, there's nothing like blaming a federal law that is BARELY ENFORCED in athletics for a decision that is motivated by a desire to dump money into a more popular sport.

Again, Title IX is BARELY ENFORCED in college athletics. The way ADs summon that canard, you'd think the DoE was banging on doors 'round-the-clock demanding enrollment based Title IX compliance. Balderdash. What happens is ADs see an opportunity to either shift money to a higher profile sport (football), or to eliminate a program that really stinks and which is an embarrassment to the department.

AFAIK, there's one university that had a legitimate Title IX issue--UNO. They were wildly out of compliance----so far out they *were* going to get investigated by the DoE if they added the dozens of additional wrestlers and FB players required to compete in D-1. Even USD's decision to drop baseball was not to stave off DoE investigation, it was because they violated Title IX, lost a lawsuit, and didn't have enough money to add a women's sport to comply with *state*, not *federal* requirements.

Any school with a budget higher than SDSU's that claims they're too poor to be Title IX compliant and keep wrestling? Garbage.

Take a look at myth #2 here: http://espn.go.com/espnw/title-ix/ar...myths-title-ix

[Nidaros]

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I think the event itself was dumb, although on the scale of things Beltway politicians normally do and say, it registers over here as "mostly harmless."

And . . .

And that's as political as I care to get right now. Here, anyway.

In 1973 was there a White House recognition? This team is the only undefeated team ever

[UWMandSDSU]

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In 1973 was there a White House recognition? This team is the only undefeated team ever

Per the Argus Leader Article:

"Four decades ago, saluting athletes was not an established tradition. And the Watergate scandal was preoccupying President Richard Nixon back then anyway."

[jackmd]

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Per the Argus Leader Article:

"Four decades ago, saluting athletes was not an established tradition. And the Watergate scandal was preoccupying President Richard Nixon back then anyway."

Oh how I miss the "good old days". Title IX was established out of a democratic process and the decision had its intended affect. Lots of people didn't like it then and don't like it now. The great part about a democracy is they have the right to express their dissatisfaction. I think there are better, more tactful ways to do it but Langer apparently felt compelled. There you go.

[goon]

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Oh how I miss the "good old days". Title IX was established out of a democratic process and the decision had its intended affect. Lots of people didn't like it then and don't like it now. The great part about a democracy is they have the right to express their dissatisfaction. I think there are better, more tactful ways to do it but Langer apparently felt compelled. There you go.

I guess since Title IX did what it was suppose to do even though much of it probably wouldnt have transititioned that way with the government law, I guess I figure mens teams that are cut because of title IX should sue since the wording "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance." since Guys are being denied sports and opertunity because they are male. I know they claim it as budget reasons usually but plenty of programs were self sustaining financially but were still cut to make it even numbers for womens participation in athletic programs. I guess as good as the law "feels good" it sure had its share of unintended consequences.

anyway back to Langer I doubt he is lossing any sleep over it and made his choice, he did what he felt was right regardless of public opinion.

[Nidaros]

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I guess since Title IX did what it was suppose to do even though much of it probably wouldnt have transititioned that way with the government law, I guess I figure mens teams that are cut because of title IX should sue since the wording "No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving federal financial assistance." since Guys are being denied sports and opertunity because they are male. I know they claim it as budget reasons usually but plenty of programs were self sustaining financially but were still cut to make it even numbers for womens participation in athletic programs. I guess as good as the law "feels good" it sure had its share of unintended consequences.

anyway back to Langer I doubt he is lossing any sleep over it and made his choice, he did what he felt was right regardless of public opinion.

What has title IX got to do this thread? I thought it was about Jim Langer and his perceived political views. Maybe we need a thread about the unintended consequences of Title IX.

[Nidaros]

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Per the Argus Leader Article:

"Four decades ago, saluting athletes was not an established tradition. And the Watergate scandal was preoccupying President Richard Nixon back then anyway."

Thanks I was driving down the road when this question crossed my mind and since then have done a couple of googles, then President Richard Nixon was a big NFL fan and even took time to converse via telephone with Don Shula about his team. Even though its 41 years later, this team does deserve the White House recognition. They did something no other team since has done and that's to go the entire season undefeated, 17-0. If President Nixon had thought of recognition in 1973, it might have taken some of the heat of Watergate Scandal off and people might have started to see him in a new light. Who knows, a missed opportunity for the POTUS in 1973 and a missed opportunity for Jim Langer in 2013.

[jackmd]

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What has title IX got to do this thread? I thought it was about Jim Langer and his perceived political views. Maybe we need a thread about the unintended consequences of Title IX.

Like this thread? Maybe even this forum? Would this forum exist had title IX not been passed and implemented allowing the SDSU Jackrabbit women's basketball team to catapult the program and fans into the world of Division I athletics? I contend it may not have. Talk amongst yourselves.

Jim Langer was one heck of a good football player. Not as good a politician but one heck of a FB player.

[zooropa]

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Guys are being denied sports and opertunity because they are male

Garbage.



510 men's teams have been added at NCAA member schools since 1988, the year that Congress definitively bound Title IX to college athletics.

From 2002 to 2011 male participation in NCAA athletics has increased faster than female participation.

Basically, everything you've ever been told about Title IX and men's athletics is wrong.

[zooropa]

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plenty of programs were self sustaining financially but were still cut to make it even numbers for womens participation in athletic programs

Name one self-sustaining program cut for Title IX compliance.

[Nidaros]

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Like this thread? Maybe even this forum? Would this forum exist had title IX not been passed and implemented allowing the SDSU Jackrabbit women's basketball team to catapult the program and fans into the world of Division I athletics? I contend it may not have. Talk amongst yourselves.

Jim Langer was one heck of a good football player. Not as good a politician but one heck of a FB player.

Well maybe I roughing the Goon up but you are right, its good to have this discussion. Yes and Jim was great football player especially for the Dolphins, he should have attended, but it was his choice.

[goon]

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Name one self-sustaining program cut for Title IX compliance.

You can look if you care. I beleive some lacross teams have been. dont recall which schools.