USF to the FBS?

[RowdyRabbit]

So USF played St. Xavier in the semifinals.

USF won (go figure) 48-6.

Here's a quote from the St. Xavier Head Coach....

"I don't know if Alabama or Florida would've beat them today...I think they're that good."

And he was serious.

I know you just got your *ss handed to you, but...delusional much?

http://www.ksfy.com/sports/headlines/78610052.html

[joeboo22]

Re: USF to the FBS?

The reason USF is so good is they fund the program like a BCS school.... they have 125 kids on their team.... their head coach makes more then Stig and Ed combined.... Chuck Morrel makes more then a lot of BCS assistants make.... I think that D-II will be a lot more of an eye opener then they think it will..... and though they cana't offer full-scholarships there are ways to make it look really close to D-IAA schools..... and because they win they are basically getting everybody that isn't good enough either on the field or in the classroom to get a scholarship at a SDSU......

[jackrabbit1979]

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The reason USF is so good is they fund the program like a BCS school.... they have 125 kids on their team.... their head coach makes more then Stig and Ed combined.... Chuck Morrel makes more then a lot of BCS assistants make.... I think that D-II will be a lot more of an eye opener then they think it will..... and though they cana't offer full-scholarships there are ways to make it look really close to D-IAA schools..... and because they win they are basically getting everybody that isn't good enough either on the field or in the classroom to get a scholarship at a SDSU......

I have a hard time believing that Kalen Deboer makes over 200,000/year coaching NAIA football in Sioux Falls...But I could be wrong.

[propar80]

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I have a hard time believing that Kalen Deboer makes over 200,000/year coaching NAIA football in Sioux Falls...But I could be wrong.

He's wrong.

They said on the radio the other day he makes just over half of what Stig and Mierkort make.

Come on joe...you've been called out before for posting nonsense...I thought you turned a corner.

Go Jacks!!

[joeboo22]

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Terry said he heard that they made twice what Stig made.... and my friend who plays baseball at USF said that he had heard the same figure on the football front.... now I'll admit I have no inside knowledge but I have a hard time believing they only make $65 grand.... I don't believe the radio report though either.... maybe they don't make that much but you can't argue that they don't fund NAIA football better then all other NAIA schools and most D-II schools....

[BTownJack]

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Learn how to comprehend. Terry said he makes "just above half of what Stig makes."

[UWMandSDSU]

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The reason USF is so good is they fund the program like a BCS school.... they have 125 kids on their team.... their head coach makes more then Stig and Ed combined.... Chuck Morrel makes more then a lot of BCS assistants make.... I think that D-II will be a lot more of an eye opener then they think it will..... and though they cana't offer full-scholarships there are ways to make it look really close to D-IAA schools..... and because they win they are basically getting everybody that isn't good enough either on the field or in the classroom to get a scholarship at a SDSU......

Seriously where do you come up with some of this stuff? Know your facts before posting this nonsense!

1.)Nobody touches what BCS schools spend on their football programs (and maybe you meant to say "FCS" and not "BCS"; even then it is a stretch)
2.)No way Kalen makes close to $200,000 (if he is, WOW)
3.)Again no way an assistant at an NAIA school makes more than an assistant at a BCS school (again maybe you were referring to a FCS school)

[Kemo]

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Joeboo is right about USF's funding compared to almost everyone else in the NAIA. I know plenty of people who played for USF and everyone is getting some kind of scholarship to play, whether it is coming from the athletic department funds or not. They also get a lot of transfers due to academic eligibility issues (for instance, there is no 5 year window in NAIA to play sports, as I still have 4 years of athletic eligibility at the NAIA level even though I am 3 years removed from undergrad) and they get people who could get enough playing time at higher levels due to the fact they can all but guarantee them a championship.

Also, they win because they have Chuck Morrell as the assistant head coach/defensive coordinator, as every player I have ever talked to who played under him say with all sincerity that he is an absolute genius.

[joeboo22]

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Learn how to comprehend. Terry said he makes "just above half of what Stig makes."

sorry I misread it.... thought it said stig makes just over half what Kalen makes.....

I meant D-I in general.... not BCS.... though a lot of D-I assistants don't get paid near as much as you would think they do.... generally its head coach, 1 or 2 highly paid assistants and the rest are average pay.....

As far as Chuck---- having watched his dad coach for quite a few years and having the pleasure or lack of pleasure to have his dad as a PE teacher I can say it runs in the family.... I still think USF will have some problems with NCAA

[Nidaros]

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Seriously where do you come up with some of this stuff? Know your facts before posting this nonsense!

1.)Nobody touches what BCS schools spend on their football programs (and maybe you meant to say "FCS" and not "BCS"; even then it is a stretch)
2.)No way Kalen makes close to $200,000 (if he is, WOW)
3.)Again no way an assistant at an NAIA school makes more than an assistant at a BCS school (again maybe you were referring to a FCS school)

Good questions. Rep points for sure. If USF was funded on the FBS level, they would not be NAIA and not thinking about how big a victory over Augie would help fund raising. This what is bothersome about USF, they like have people think they are ahead of the state assisted institutions and in maybe in a few areas they are, but not in athletics. Sure they have had a good season in football, but they are typical NAIA, who signed 40 to 50 people on letter of intent day knowing that about half will never show up. Looks good and motivates those that do show up in hopes they are going to get a free education. Often they leave 4 years later with about 100k in student loans.

[Nidaros]

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Seriously where do you come up with some of this stuff? Know your facts before posting this nonsense!

1.)Nobody touches what BCS schools spend on their football programs (and maybe you meant to say "FCS" and not "BCS"; even then it is a stretch)
2.)No way Kalen makes close to $200,000 (if he is, WOW)
3.)Again no way an assistant at an NAIA school makes more than an assistant at a BCS school (again maybe you were referring to a FCS school)

Good questions and comments. Rep pts given.

[UWMandSDSU]

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I meant D-I in general.... not BCS.... though a lot of D-I assistants don't get paid near as much as you would think they do.... generally its head coach, 1 or 2 highly paid assistants and the rest are average pay.....

Again, where is your facts to this claim?

Here is a database from the USA Today that shows the real facts on what Assistant Coaches make at the Div. I level (this database shows the lowest salary and then the highest salary; by looking at the lowest salary at most of these schools those salaries don't look "average" to me).
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colle...s-database.htm

[Nidaros]

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Possibly Joe is talking about assistants at FCS institutions where assistants are not doing so well. I dont recall exactly what message board or when, but a former D1-AA assistant coach told me that the salaries he received were not good and in some cases not better than some of the top NAIA schools. I recall he was trying to make a point about being D-1 and it did not always mean big pay. I suspect that Drake Assistants do not make much more than the USF staff. I have no facts to hang my hat on and Drake being private probably does not publish this data.

[joeboo22]

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Possibly Joe is talking about assistants at FCS institutions where assistants are not doing so well. I dont recall exactly what message board or when, but a former D1-AA assistant coach told me that the salaries he received were not good and in some cases not better than some of the top NAIA schools. I recall he was trying to make a point about being D-1 and it did not always mean big pay. I suspect that Drake Assistants do not make much more than the USF staff. I have no facts to hang my hat on and Drake being private probably does not publish this data.

No, maybe I am wrong but I consider 50-70 grand pretty average when the head coach is making over a million..... Its not South Dakota..... 50-70 grand in a big city is like 30-50 in South Dakota...... maybe I have a different definition of average.....

As far as what USF's coaches where getting paid I had been told that they got paid more then Stig did and then I mis-read what TV said.... I just have it hard to believe that if Kalen is only making 65-70 grand that he wouldn't of been picked up by a bigger program by now.... and if Kalen is making 65-70 you'd think Chuck has to be making less and again you would think that someone would have swooped him up by now....

[JimmyJack]

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No, maybe I am wrong but I consider 50-70 grand pretty average when the head coach is making over a million..... Its not South Dakota..... 50-70 grand in a big city is like 30-50 in South Dakota...... maybe I have a different definition of average.....

As far as what USF's coaches where getting paid I had been told that they got paid more then Stig did and then I mis-read what TV said.... I just have it hard to believe that if Kalen is only making 65-70 grand that he wouldn't of been picked up by a bigger program by now.... and if Kalen is making 65-70 you'd think Chuck has to be making less and again you would think that someone would have swooped him up by now....

He hasn't been snatched up because he's never run an NCAA-regulated program before. NAIA is the wild-west of sports. We'll see how he does in D2. They'll have to cut scholarships to get into the NSIC, and NCAA academic compliance is far more stringent than what they've been operating under to this point.

If he can win with 24 scholarships (or whatever the NSIC limit is) and remain compliant, then I'll be impressed.