DWU Now 5-2

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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I only ask that guys like "Milwaukee Jack" understand that even some of us old guys may know a thing or two about the game. I am old but I never wore a leather helmet. Its been fun, I hope we can civilly agree to disagree on some subjects without insulting our football IQ's. I still say go Jacks also go Red Raiders in the NAIA.

I apologize that I insinuated that you don't know anything about football. Probably not my best choice of words. I am far from an expert on the matter. I do feel that the facts and logic I used in my argument would lead most to agree that the NAIA for which USF plays is overall inferior to the NCC (even at its current incarnation).

A confession: When I was in school and USF was just starting their current success, there were several players from USF boasting how they would win the NCC given a chance, so I'm sure I'm personally biased against the argument as it has some personal feelings mixed in. In high school, I happened to play against many of the athletes competing for USF at that time and felt pretty confident in my ability to judge their talent level. Not to say that USF didn't have good athletes. Kalen DeBoer (sp?) could have started for any of the NCC schools with the exception of St. Cloud who had Todd Bauman starting for them, although he was short for his position and that may have hindered him against the larger sized lineman of the NCC. Overall, I just don't think that the NAIA has as good of athletes in terms of size, speed and football ability. If they did, those players would be playing for USD, UNO, or UND, etc. That's just how things shake out in college athletics. Cream rises to the top with a few notable exceptions.

To clarify, no hard feelings intended. My choice of words on my first point probably makes that hard to believe, but it wasn't intended. I respect your opinion and would regardless of whether you wore leather helmets or none at all.

[Jack4Life]

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I agree with MJA. The caliber of players in the NAIA that USF plays in are not the same as the NCC or what SDSU plays at now. A lot of them are smaller school players (not that small schools don't have good players as evidenced by our roster) and simply do not have the size or speed or the hitting ability that is required in the old NCC. I am a little older than MJA, but, I too remember SoFoCo players saying they could beat SDSU and USD. We are not comparing apples to apples here, boys. Size and speed is a big difference and they just don't get them consistently.

[boxerboy]

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I apologize that I insinuated that you don't know anything about football. Probably not my best choice of words. I am far from an expert on the matter. I do feel that the facts and logic I used in my argument would lead most to agree that the NAIA for which USF plays is overall inferior to the NCC (even at its current incarnation).

A confession: When I was in school and USF was just starting their current success, there were several players from USF boasting how they would win the NCC given a chance, so I'm sure I'm personally biased against the argument as it has some personal feelings mixed in. In high school, I happened to play against many of the athletes competing for USF at that time and felt pretty confident in my ability to judge their talent level. Not to say that USF didn't have good athletes. Kalen DeBoer (sp?) could have started for any of the NCC schools with the exception of St. Cloud who had Todd Bauman starting for them, although he was short for his position and that may have hindered him against the larger sized lineman of the NCC. Overall, I just don't think that the NAIA has as good of athletes in terms of size, speed and football ability. If they did, those players would be playing for USD, UNO, or UND, etc. That's just how things shake out in college athletics. Cream rises to the top with a few notable exceptions.

To clarify, no hard feelings intended. My choice of words on my first point probably makes that hard to believe, but it wasn't intended. I respect your opinion and would regardless of whether you wore leather helmets or none at all.

I agree with you on 99.9% of what you said. I appreciate your words very kind.

[UWMandSDSU]

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[QUOTE=MilwaukeeJacksAlum;72187]I apologize that I insinuated that you don't know anything about football. Probably not my best choice of words. I am far from an expert on the matter. I do feel that the facts and logic I used in my argument would lead most to agree that the NAIA for which USF plays is overall inferior to the NCC (even at its current incarnation).

A confession: When I was in school and USF was just starting their current success, there were several players from USF boasting how they would win the NCC given a chance, so I'm sure I'm personally biased against the argument as it has some personal feelings mixed in. In high school, I happened to play against many of the athletes competing for USF at that time and felt pretty confident in my ability to judge their talent level. Not to say that USF didn't have good athletes. Kalen DeBoer (sp?) could have started for any of the NCC schools with the exception of St. Cloud who had Todd Bauman starting for them, although he was short for his position and that may have hindered him against the larger sized lineman of the NCC. QUOTE]

Just to clarify, Kalen DeBoer was a wide receiver at USF, Kurtis Riggs was there quarterback.

[jackmd]

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Just to clarify, Kalen DeBoer was a wide receiver at USF, Kurtis Riggs was there quarterback.

And, DeBoer could have played WR at most NCC schools but Riggs could not have QB'd at any NCC school, IMHO.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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And, DeBoer could have played WR at most NCC schools but Riggs could not have QB'd at any NCC school, IMHO.

Thanks for the correction. I'm embarrassed because I run into those guys everytime I'm back in town and knew Kalen in high school. I was typing too fast at the end of the day.

[jackmd]

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Thanks for the correction. I'm embarrassed because I run into those guys everytime I'm back in town and knew Kalen in high school. I was typing too fast at the end of the day.

Credit to UWM/SDSU for the correction, I sort of overlooked what you typed, too. I guess USF athletes are easy to forget (okay sorry for the cheap shot but I must admit that I don't give a rat's ass about USF).

[Nidaros]

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George McGovern is not my uncle, nor do I have any ties to DWU. I am however a fan of Coach Hemmingway's coaching skills.

I am interesting in following how this team does mainly because the exhibition game with SDSU went so sour in some minds. DWU is now 9-3 not bad. They were on a roll and lost the last game to Northwestern by 5, usually a very good club in the GPAC. They also won in two overtimes to Doane, who is also a pretty good GPAC team. Here it the link to their schedule.


http://www.dwu.edu/athletics/mbasketball/schedule.htm


I dont disagree that there is a talent gap between NAIA and D2 and above. NAIA has lost a ton of members over the years. I dont want to say it too strongly, but the NAIA rules allow things that the NCAA does not.

[boxerboy]

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I'm not even remotely one to defend USD football, but that's a statement made by someone who doesn't understand college football. If they played 10 times, SFC maybe wins 1 or 2 times. Maybe. 3-4 of the games would be blowout wins for USD. The same reason SDSU would beat USD easily is the same reason USD would beat SFC easily. Bigger, faster, more skilled. Case in point: Morningside went from the laughingstock of the NCC to a perenial power after dropping out of DII. Laughingstock may be too kind. They were perenially horrible. Horrible.

Remember this argument? I guess SF got their one win today.

[filbert]

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You've got to be kidding, Boxerboy. Resurrecting a two freaking year old thread? Hold a grudge much?

Anyway, I said it back then, it apparently bears repeating:

The point isn't that a very good NAIA team couldn't compete with, and possibly defeat an average NCAA Division I team. The point is that such an occurrence is very unlikely.

USF is a very good NAIA football team. UND is (being charitable) an average FCS football team. I'm mildly surprised that USF won, but not nearly as surprised as when for instance Appalachian State went into Michigan and beat the Wolverines.

Doesn't happen very often. Does happen occasionally. Happened today.

The sun will quite probably come up tomorrow either way.

[boxerboy]

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You've got to be kidding, Boxerboy. Resurrecting a two freaking year old thread? Hold a grudge much?

Anyway, I said it back then, it apparently bears repeating:



USF is a very good NAIA football team. UND is (being charitable) an average FCS football team. I'm mildly surprised that USF won, but not nearly as surprised as when for instance Appalachian State went into Michigan and beat the Wolverines.

Doesn't happen very often. Does happen occasionally. Happened today.

The sun will quite probably come up tomorrow either way.

Grudge? Come on Filbert, sounds to me like your the one with the grudge.

[minnesotarabbit]

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Not sure if anyone watched the game....it wasnt even close, it should of and could of been a lot more than 15. No doubt about it USF was and is the better team. I realize that UND had injuries, but they were also at home. Put those two teams on the field next wk, you'd get the same outcome.

[Nidaros]

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Not sure if anyone watched the game....it wasnt even close, it should of and could of been a lot more than 15. No doubt about it USF was and is the better team. I realize that UND had injuries, but they were also at home. Put those two teams on the field next wk, you'd get the same outcome.

I don't think UND was the same team that beat USD two weeks ago. They have had some injuries and are very thin at QB. Is the USF defense that good or could UND not get something going playing a hurt QB Sutton nor with the fourth string guy? Key injuries can affect a team's playing ability.

I do give USF credit for their great game plan. They look at UND on film and exploited the UND weakness and for that I give them credit.

[Yote53]

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I do not know what the heck has happened to UND the last couple weeks, but there is no way, no way that USF beats USD, much less stays within 20. Seriously, I just witnessed the lowest point in UND history today on the telie, a team that was...listless, to say the least.

[filbert]

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Watching UND flail around at the end of that game was really pretty pathetic. That was a beaten team in the fourth quarter.