Penn State

[jackmd]

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I don't believe there is any reasonable explanation for the information known by Paterno and the GA not coming to the forefront sooner. However, I do believe they have the right to explain themselves before I pass judgement on those not perpetrating the actual act. Sandusky needs to be brought to justice ASAP and the focus needs to be on making that happen. All the rest should be sorted out in due time.

Again, there is no reasonable excuse in my mind but that doesn't mean we shouldn't listen to what Paterno has to say. We all have the right to explain our motives before judgement is passed, even Sandusky as much as that seems unnecessary it must occur.

[Prairiehaas]

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Reasonable is a judgement call. I would not say any explaination of actions in this case are reasonable in light of the damage done to the children. I am pointing out what I've observed regarding human nature.

As a Christian I believe there will be a judgement. I pray that it is not as harsh as the judgements I see in the here and now.

[Nidaros]

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The more and more indicting information that comes out about Jerry Sandusky, one has to wonder how he got started doing these terrible things and what was his childhood like? I willing to bet dollars for donuts that Sandusky was at one time abused in some shape or form, it might have been significant abuse. What I have read and being a Dr. Phil viewer, often the abuser has been abused and abused to a signigicant degree. Its kind of retaliation thing and a ugly cycle that is not easily broken.

[jack power]

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I guess I dont know why it matters if he is the most powerful/popular man on campus. He didnt see it. I hold the eye witness and his testimony he can give would be on the hot seat more then anyone else.

You don't see how it matters?

Joe Paterno was the most powerful individual at the University and was informed by an eye witness that Sandusky did something of a sexual nature to a young boy in the shower rooms.He could have stopped Sandusky in his tracks and he didn't. He failed to fulfill his moral obligation to the victim of a very serious crime by one of his friends.

[Nidaros]

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Right. But Sandusky was reckless. He was caught in the act multiple times (that we know of), starting in 1998. He seems to have used Penn State's football facilities as his playground. My guess is that this stuff didn't start in 1998. And no doubt more victims, and more instances where he was caught, will emerge.

This suggests there were plenty of indications that Sandusky was a predator prior to 1998.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/ind...erry_sand.html

Thanks for the link JJ. I find the articles about DA Gricar the most interesting. Apparently in 1998, they knew what was going on here but, the one detective not telling the DA about the Sandusky confession to the mother is unforgiveable. They should have moved in on Sandusky with a ton of bricks. Also its interesting that they thought Gricar was doing his own private investigation which I suspect he was getting close to catching Sandusky red handed. Why else would the DA disappear and his hard drive as well?

One point is very clear and that hindsight is 100 per cent better than forsight.

[jackrabbit1979]

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Maybe it has gnawed at him every day since and he's lived in a personal hell. We'll have to wait and see what he has to say. This situation is a disaster and a tragedy all around. Like Zimmer said, there aren't words enough to describe the sadness.

On another note, I watched the Board of Trustees press conference last night and kept thinking that the Board is losing control. The guy they ran out there to answer questions looked like a fool and the guys yelling at him looked foolish as well. Just a circus.

I thought the guy answering questions for the BOT did as well as possible in that situation - that press conference was an absolute circus with, what it sounds like, reporters AND just general PSU supporters and students shouting questions and comments throughout.

[KUlawJack]

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I thought the guy answering questions for the BOT did as well as possible in that situation - that press conference was an absolute circus with, what it sounds like, reporters AND just general PSU supporters and students shouting questions and comments throughout.

Really? I guess I thought he looked like a fool with his half-answers and spin. He'd make a good lawyer, if he isn't one.

[mitchellrabbit]

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The more and more indicting information that comes out about Jerry Sandusky, one has to wonder how he got started doing these terrible things and what was his childhood like? I willing to bet dollars for donuts that Sandusky was at one time abused in some shape or form, it might have been significant abuse. What I have read and being a Dr. Phil viewer, often the abuser has been abused and abused to a signigicant degree. Its kind of retaliation thing and a ugly cycle that is not easily broken.

The baseball coach in Mitchell that was sent to prison for raping and molesting kids a couple years ago also claimed to have been abused by a relative when he was younger. I thought he was probably just trying to get sympathy. It didnt really matter to me what had happened to him years ago it was what he did to the kids he molested. He also WAS one of my best friends, who coached my kids in baseball, took my kids pheasant hunting because i didnt hunt. Funny thing is he never wanted to take both of them at the same time. Now as far as we know, he never did anything to them. Our kids tell us he didnt. But i always have my doubts that they would want to say that he did. This guy fooled a lot of parents in Mitchell, including us. Of course now we look back and think of different things that dont sound right but because he had our trust, we thought nothing of it back then. And i know had i ever caught him doing anything to a young boy, i would have stopped him and then called the cops. I dont care how good of a friend he was.

[jack power]

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Sandusky recruiting for Penn State this year? ugh

http://pittsburgh.sbnation.com/penn-...-state-scandal

[mitchellrabbit]

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unbelievable

[JackJD]

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Some had predicted this story was going to get worse. Those predictions are turning out to be true. I agree with mitchellrabbit: its unbelievable.

[OKC_Poke]

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Sorry to stray into this conversation but....to quote my my favorite line in the Star Wars Sage...

"I got a bad felling about this." It's going to get far FAR worse for Happy Valley....like a proverbial nuclear explosion...and soon.

[goon]

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You don't see how it matters?

Joe Paterno was the most powerful individual at the University and was informed by an eye witness that Sandusky did something of a sexual nature to a young boy in the shower rooms.He could have stopped Sandusky in his tracks and he didn't. He failed to fulfill his moral obligation to the victim of a very serious crime by one of his friends.

He fulfilled his legal obligations according to the law. Just saying because he is a popular person does not hold him to a higher standard. If anything the witness should be held to a higher standard to report it directly to law enforcement.

[jackdaniel]

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Maybe Joepa could have suggested to the witness to notify the police,or do it himself.Both individuals, by not acting, kept this guy in business to go out and prey on some more young boys.Do these guys know right from wrong?Don't they have a moral obligation to get this guy off the street and keep him from victimizing more young boys.....geez

[FargoBison]

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He fulfilled his legal obligations according to the law. Just saying because he is a popular person does not hold him to a higher standard. If anything the witness should be held to a higher standard to report it directly to law enforcement.

He fulfilled his legal obligation but he completely failed morally, his GA came to him because he was distraught and JoePa did the absolute minimum. I think JoePa knew about Sandusky and his issues long before 2002, in 1998 there was a six week investigation done by campus police because Sandusky was showering in the team facility with an 11 year old boy and he hugged the boy while in the shower. Sandusky admitted to all of it and in 1999 retired at the ripe old age of 55 because JoePa had told him he'll never be the head coach.