Penn State

[RowdyRabbit]

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The plot thickens as they say in drama, it appears Sanducky is possibly capable of murder if it meant keeping his alleged perversion a secret.

Wow. That story is all kinds of weird. This whole deal reeks of weird.

[KUlawJack]

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There seems to be a very ugly pattern. I never got past reading about Victim 1, it was so disgusting to read. If one tenth of this is true, its enough to lock up Sandusky for the rest of his life. Sandusky needs Perry Mason and a few other TV lawyers to get him out of this mess in which a perverted passion caused damage to those who were very vulnerable.

I agree.

[mango4]

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It could be getting a lot, lot worse http://www.nesn.com/2011/11/jerry-sa...rk-madden.html

[JackJD]

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South Dakota recognizes the crime of "misprision of a felony" (yeah, the spelling is misprision). Not all states have that crime on their books. If the facts occurred in South Dakota, the grad assistant (he observed sexual assault of a minor) could be prosecuted for misprision of a felony, a Class 1 misdemeanor, for failing to report to law enforcement. I don't know if Pennsylvania has a misprision statute.

Here's our misprision statute, South Dakota Codified Laws Section 22-11-12: Any person who, having knowledge, which is not privileged, of the commission of a felony, conceals the felony, or does not immediately disclose the felony, including the name of the perpetrator, if known, and all of the other relevant known facts, to the proper authorities, is guilty of misprision of a felony. Misprision of a felony is a Class 1 misdemeanor. There is no misprision of misdemeanors or petty offenses.

[zooropa]

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South Dakota recognizes the crime of "misprision of a felony" (yeah, the spelling is misprision). Not all states have that crime on their books. If the facts occurred in South Dakota, the grad assistant (he observed sexual assault of a minor) could be prosecuted for misprision of a felony, a Class 1 misdemeanor, for failing to report to law enforcement. I don't know if Pennsylvania has a misprision statute.

Here's our misprision statute, South Dakota Codified Laws Section 22-11-12: Any person who, having knowledge, which is not privileged, of the commission of a felony, conceals the felony, or does not immediately disclose the felony, including the name of the perpetrator, if known, and all of the other relevant known facts, to the proper authorities, is guilty of misprision of a felony. Misprision of a felony is a Class 1 misdemeanor. There is no misprision of misdemeanors or petty offenses.

I searched the PA code for misprision, nothing. And to my non-lawyer eyes, the section on obstruction was concerned with active concealment.

[jackdaniel]

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Students mob the streets angrily protesting the firing of their winning coach....what's important here,?,SAD

[JimmyJack]

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The problem for Paterno is that he has made a living holding up his program as, like him, beyond reproach. Whatever he did, it obviously wasn't enough. You can't allow a monster to prey on children and still claim any moral high ground. Joe deserved to be fired. I'm still interested in knowing exactly what he told his superiors. I want to know what he knew about Sandusky (you can't tell me he didn't suspect anything... they were together for years and years.) And I fear that among the revelations that are going to flood out in the coming days will be some kind of clear indication that Paterno actively protected that monster.

[zooropa]

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you can't tell me he didn't suspect anything... they were together for years and years.

Sexual predators don't typically have horns, forked tongues, or any other readily discernible exterior markings. Nor, and I've had the misfortune to have known a couple, do they loudly advertise their preferences.

I don't think Paterno actively shielded Sandusky during his time as head coach, but I suspect that Sandusky was exiled in '99, based on information that was not shared with the police.

I think that Paterno has happily and willingly slipped into a cocoon like world, where the real world is edited and filtered for him. I have no difficulty believing that McQueary abridged the truth when talking to JoePa; I think everyone abridges the truth when they talk to JoePa about anything other than football.

And on the other hand, I think JoePa has gotten very good at making his wishes carry the weight of commands, the extent to which he's been aware of this and has played some Machiavellian game, I think is unknown and probably unknowable. His statement yesterday, I think, was a window on how he's worked with the administration over the past ten years.

[witness]

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Here's my take. Macquery(sp?) Say Sandusky showering and called JoePa that he was horsing around with a boy in the shower. JoePa sees the shower as the incident not the actual interaction between the boy and Sandusky because it was reported that JoePa remembers the GA telling him there was horseplay/touching. Not rape. JoePa alerted the Pres and the chief of campus police. They cover up like they did since 98 and brush it off JoePa thinks he's in the clear cuz he did what NCAA tells you to do which is report to ur compliance officers. BOT fire him as a scapegoat to save their OWN face. PSU officials and Sandusky should be blamed here not JoePa. Add to it that they fired him over the phone, made me realize even more that they were doin it to save themselves. Add on top to the analysts acting like they are morally right and making it seem like JoePa accepted child rape much less that he participated in the act is what gets me upset more than the abrupt firing

[goon]

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BOT fire him as a scapegoat to save their OWN face. PSU officials and Sandusky should be blamed here not JoePa. Add to it that they fired him over the phone, made me realize even more that they were doin it to save themselves.

I was thinking the very same thing. I figure this stuff goes pretty high and I would not be surprised if the BOT knew plenty of what was going around. The media is focused on what Joe Pa could or should have done so they take him out to show they are zero tolerance blah blah blah. Either way if he deserved to get fired or not. As it appears Joe Pa did what the law says and to pass the buck up. Now they are afraid poop is coming there way and are trying to clean house to protect themselves. Unless there is proof Joe Pa tried to cover anything up for him but as far I have heard that hasnt been the case. I say they fire the BOT and start over, first by changing the stupid state law.

[zooropa]

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they fired him over the phone

If the ultimate lesson to learn from this incident is that you do what's right regardless of the cost, it's clear that Penn State's trustees did not learn that lesson, as they openly admitted that Spanier and Paterno were fired by phone because it would cause a scene if they did otherwise.

[jack power]

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If the ultimate lesson to learn from this incident is that you do what's right regardless of the cost, it's clear that Penn State's trustees did not learn that lesson, as they openly admitted that Spanier and Paterno were fired by phone because it would cause a scene if they did otherwise.

Paterno's arrogance was met with a petty act from the BOT. Both were wrong.

[jack power]

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I was thinking the very same thing. I figure this stuff goes pretty high and I would not be surprised if the BOT knew plenty of what was going around. The media is focused on what Joe Pa could or should have done so they take him out to show they are zero tolerance blah blah blah. Either way if he deserved to get fired or not. As it appears Joe Pa did what the law says and to pass the buck up. Now they are afraid poop is coming there way and are trying to clean house to protect themselves. Unless there is proof Joe Pa tried to cover anything up for him but as far I have heard that hasnt been the case. I say they fire the BOT and start over, first by changing the stupid state law.

Yes,Paterno did the legal minimum. He was both the most powerful person ,and the face of the University. I would except more than the minimum. I bet the victims did too.

[jack power]

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Sexual predators don't typically have horns, forked tongues, or any other readily discernible exterior markings. Nor, and I've had the misfortune to have known a couple, do they loudly advertise their preferences.

I don't think Paterno actively shielded Sandusky during his time as head coach, but I suspect that Sandusky was exiled in '99, based on information that was not shared with the police.

I think that Paterno has happily and willingly slipped into a cocoon like world, where the real world is edited and filtered for him. I have no difficulty believing that McQueary abridged the truth when talking to JoePa; I think everyone abridges the truth when they talk to JoePa about anything other than football.

And on the other hand, I think JoePa has gotten very good at making his wishes carry the weight of commands, the extent to which he's been aware of this and has played some Machiavellian game, I think is unknown and probably unknowable. His statement yesterday, I think, was a window on how he's worked with the administration over the past ten years.

Sandusky was investigated for showering with a 11 year old boy in 1998. He was taped by police admitting what he did was wrong and begged for forgiveness from the victims mother. He even said he wanted to kill himself. For whatever reason the DA didn't press charges. He "retired" in 1999 after meeting with Paterno at the young age of 55. Dots connected.

As far as your comments on Paterno and living in a cocoon of sorts....i don't think that's too far from the truth.

[goon]

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Yes,Paterno did the legal minimum. He was both the most powerful person ,and the face of the University. I would except more than the minimum. I bet the victims did too.

Or the person who actually saw it should have. Its a second hand account coming from Joe Pa, If the person who saw it never followed it up, I dont see how legally Joe Pa could be held to a higher standard then the person who saw it yet never went to authories and is still on the staff, yet the coach who didnt see it is fired because he is a popular image? It really seems like the BOT is trying hide things under the rug when it should have dealt with these issues years ago.