ND legislature and Sioux name

[2002jack]

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I wonder if Kelley asked the Big Sky to send UND this letter. I think the UND administration is upset with the legislation, and now has formal letter on record to demonstrate the damage the legislation has done.

[Nidaros]

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The Big Sky is now conveniently positioned to dump UND -- I wonder if a few of the conference Presidents second-guessed the decision to invite UND after USD went with the Summit League and MVFC. Now they have an "out", one conveniently provided by the ND legislature.

I never thought of it from that angle, but it's very plausible. I am so dumbfounded by the emotions that these UND people have about a simple logo. Hypothethically, if some one in SD could present a good case to change the Jackrabbit to Ramblers or something else, would I really care that much? I sure would not, as the mascot has changed but not the institution that would continue to offer the same quality education is still in tact.

It will be interesting to see the reaction out of Senator Al Carlson from Fargo, he is the legislative leader who started the bill. It aint over until its over. Carlson is a big time NDSU supporter too, so was he clairvoyent enough to see what would happen if they passed this goofy law about the logo? I am beginning to think he was.

[zooropa]

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NY Post style headline:

BIG SKY MAILS KELLEY A REALITY CHECK.

[JackJD]

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The Big Sky is now conveniently positioned to dump UND -- I wonder if a few of the conference Presidents second-guessed the decision to invite UND after USD went with the Summit League and MVFC. Now they have an "out", one conveniently provided by the ND legislature.

[Nidaros]

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Ouch. Guess the Summit isn't the only conference concerned with UND's nickname.


Big Sky: ‘UND, we have a problem’



I recommend you read the letter from Fullerton to Kelley.

Big Sky letter to UND

For once political might, has to take a step down. The ND Legislature WAS mighty and high when they passed this law not knowing that they were screwing themselves. I am rolling on the flour laughing my A$$ OFF.

[Hammersmith]

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Ouch. Guess the Summit isn't the only conference concerned with UND's nickname.


Big Sky: ‘UND, we have a problem’



I recommend you read the letter from Fullerton to Kelley.

Big Sky letter to UND

[MaddogJack]

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I understand your perspective and respect your opinion(s). Perhaps I brought this dog into the wrong fight.

My thought of his perspective has more to do with the outcry when we killed Osama Bin Laden and the dismay that was voiced regarding using Geronimo within the codename.

[joeboo22]

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http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...will-forgotten

I believe Dave Mavity has struck a chord with this Rabbit fan. Living in Rapid City, one has to use caution in even letting the kids play Cowboys and Indians.

I thought he makes a valid point.

He misses the whole point of the matter. When the NCAA issued the ruling they said they had to get tribal approval. The tribe doesn't want to approve the name, and therefore they have to drop it.

Do I think a select few native american activist are way to gun hoe about getting the native names off of everything, yes, but it is a totally different deal then this.

[zooropa]

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I thought he makes a valid point.

I don't.

Indian names do not preserve Indian culture or Indian history.

[MaddogJack]

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http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...will-forgotten

I believe Dave Mavity has struck a chord with this Rabbit fan. Living in Rapid City, one has to use caution in even letting the kids play Cowboys and Indians.

I thought he makes a valid point.

[JackJD]

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Grand Forks Herald: ND Attorney General declines to give an opinion: LINK

[Prairiehaas]

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Seems to me that all parties in the situation have worked themselves into no-surrender-no-retreat positions without serious consideration for the actual core mission of the university--a core mission which, you know, if you think about it, probably does not include support for a hockey team.

Not dissimilar to the SF Events Center situation, is it?

[filbert]

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I think this is a scary precedent for all ND universities. It seems like allowing this legislation to stand, it could open the door to other legislation. For instance what would stop the ND legislature from dictating hiring/firing of professors?

What would stop the ND legislature from zeroing out the funding for the universities?

If universities are state-supported, then they have to accept whatever rules the state (i.e. the people, or their elected representatives) chooses to lay upon them. Him that gots the gold makes the rules. The only recourse the university would have is directly to the voters themselves (at which time the aphorism "democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for supper" comes to mind--well, my mind, anyway).

Seems to me that all parties in the situation have worked themselves into no-surrender-no-retreat positions without serious consideration for the actual core mission of the university--a core mission which, you know, if you think about it, probably does not include support for a hockey team.

[2002jack]

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Here we go again. A Dr. Bruce Beard and a native of Reynolds North Dakota and now residing in California gives his take on the logo issue. He seems to think the 10 most smartest lawyers in ND should challenge this illegal law and and have it declared unconstitional.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article...group/Opinion/

I think this is a scary precedent for all ND universities. It seems like allowing this legislation to stand, it could open the door to other legislation. For instance what would stop the ND legislature from dictating hiring/firing of professors?

[Nidaros]

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Here we go again. A Dr. Bruce Beard and a native of Reynolds North Dakota and now residing in California gives his take on the logo issue. He seems to think the 10 most smartest lawyers in ND should challenge this illegal law and and have it declared unconstitional.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article...group/Opinion/