Possible funding changes

[JackJD]

Re: Possible funding changes

Like Slosho, I have no idea whether Rabbitobserver was agreeing or disagreeing but the statistics summarized by zooroopa bear out zooroopa's conclusion: we have an art department second to none.

[zooropa]

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Maybe he was agreeing with you... like "it's sad that, that is all the art has received in support" ?

I'd be more inclined to buy that if RO wasn't the source of almost all the neg. rep I've gotten on this board.

[zooropa]

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Like Slosho, I have no idea whether Rabbitobserver was agreeing or disagreeing but the statistics summarized by zooroopa bear out zooroopa's conclusion: we have an art department second to none.

My adviser was the department head for the last 26 years. There were 30 art majors when he was hired in '84/85, and about that number the following year. Tim Steele started the graphic design department with 6 students in 85/86. The growth of the graphic design department is even more astounding. It's grown 3000% over the last 25 years.

His hiring philosophy? "I made sure they were tough. They had to be."

[slosho]

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I'd be more inclined to buy that if RO wasn't the source of almost all the neg. rep I've gotten on this board.

It's quite possible that you may know better than I. I had just read it as an affirmation of you point is all.

I'm going to assume (likely since I've done so I'll be wrong, we all know what assume means) that you or a person close to you is a graphic design major?

I think all degrees at state are worthwhile (although general studies might be a hard field to make a career out of.(but hey General knowledge would mean you can do everything right?))

And I know the field of study I took is said to be the "toughest on campus" (by others not myself).
But really if your a math person.. art may be difficult and vice versa.
I appreciate art and design and i am glad we have the talented individuals we do (like at state) to do the many things, and create all of the things I myself would be unable to.

AND I'm not a fan of salt in my bed.

[zooropa]

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I'm going to assume (likely since I've done so I'll be wrong, we all know what assume means) that you or a person close to you is a graphic design major?

I think all degrees at state are worthwhile (although general studies might be a hard field to make a career out of.(but hey General knowledge would mean you can do everything right?))

My degree is in Visual Art--it's the closest thing to a BFA that the BOR will let SDSU offer. The problem is that your core emphasis is satisfied with only 3 (or 4?) classes in a studio discipline or disciplines (e.g. Painting I-IV).

This is a problem because it tends to leave you with a fairly weak portfolio when it comes to applying for an MFA; although, if your career isn't going to be in art, the B.S/B.A is better than a BFA (IMO). SDSU should be allowed to offer both.

I have a soft spot for the humanities in general--and SDSU, like any institution, will generally pay you back whatever you are willing to invest in it in time and effort.

The graphic design MFA that Tim is looking at would be modeled after the program at Texas Tech.

[RabbitObsessed]

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If -any- department at SDSU has a right to tell the administration and the BOR to take a long walk down a short pier, it's the art department. No department has done more with less.

In the face of administrative indifference and regental antagonism, the art department has grown about 800% over the last 25 years.

And that's in hand-me-down facilities that the 'favored' departments on campus wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Heck, the only reason why the art department is in Grove Hall is because Solberg Hall was condemned about ten years ago, and the college of engineering decided they wanted it back.

If SDSU as a whole had grown as fast as the art department over the last 25 years, it would have an enrollment of about 50-60,000 right now.

That's right. Despite the attitude of people like you, the art department has grown about five times faster than the university as a whole, and it is now -easily- one of the best professional programs of its kind in the central US.

Not -because- of the administration and the BOR but -in spite- of it. Frankly, SDSU and the BOR don't deserve the art department they've got. They deserve to have an art department with a handful of art ed majors playing with scissors and tempera paint.

The attitude of people like me? Ok. Whatever that means.

And at least I sign my neg rep. If you've gotten any unsigned, it was from someone else.

By the way I wasn't disagreeing with you, you just sounded really whiny in your post. I really don't care about funding for anything at this point in my life. I know I should, but it's the summer and I don't care. I'll duck out of this thread now; carry on with the intelligent discourse.

[jackrabbit1979]

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I want to point out that University Center - the old USDSU (Sioux Falls), Capital Center (Pierre), and Black Hills Center (Rapid City) are not campuses. They have no faculty they confere no degrees. They are attendance centers. A way for non-traditional students to access the public higher education programs in their home community.

They are class room buildings and the students that take classes there are actually going to school at one of the 6 regental institutions. The faculty that teach there belong to one of the 6 regental institutions.


Go State!

Agree with most of what you wrote, as the UC, CUC, or HEC definitely don't take students away from the universities in the sense that all the students attending there are still students at one of the six regental schools and their tuition dollars still enter the regental system.

However, don't kid yourself. The centers do teach to traditional age students as well - especially in Sioux Falls. And those students not attending at one of the regentals is taking away housing, dining, bookstore, student activity fee, etc. income that the university would normally receive from a student on campus at least their first two years. That auxiliary income is VERY important to the universities budgets. As important maybe (one could argue anyway) as a student actually having a real college experience as they gain their degree.

[zooropa]

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the attitude of people like me?

I really don't care about funding for anything at this point in my life.

q.e.d.

[zooropa]

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student activity fee

Don't they have to pay that anyway? I thought they paid the full suite of fees as well as having to pay non-resident rates on tuition (which strikes me as incredibly unfair).

Also, I wouldn't worry too much about lost housing revenue. Unlike dining, I'm pretty sure housing is a zero sum item.

BTW: Was at a pheasants game the other day and unless I my eyes deceived me the only SD university apparel I saw was SDSU apparel--the UC might cost SDSU some revenue, but I think it helps raise the institutional profile.

[SoDakJack]

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I may be incorrect, but I do not believe that the activity fees are charged at the university center.

I, for one, think that the university centers are a great resource for SDSU. They allow for enrollment at SDSU to be higher without added pressure to the physical campus. So what if they don't pay student fees? ANd they obviously haven't had a negative effect on enrollment.

[89rabbit]

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They do pay fees and they pay self support tuition rather than state support tuition. There are a some “traditional aged” students at University Center but the avg. student at University Center is 27 years old, female, working full time, with dependants.

If this student didn’t access public higher education at one of the attendance centers they would not access public higher education at all.


Go State!

[Nidaros]

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They do pay fees and they pay self support tuition rather than state support tuition. There are a some “traditional aged” students at University Center but the avg. student at University Center is 27 years old, female, working full time, with dependants.

If this student didn’t access public higher education at one of the attendance centers they would not access public higher education at all.


Go State!

Traditonal aged? Whats that all about?

[propar80]

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Traditonal aged? Whats that all about?

Ages 18 to 23??? I'm not sure if there's a more PC term for it, but I'm sure with the touchey society we live in, there probably is.

Go Jacks!!

[TheBisonator]

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About the art topic, I was kind of wondering, I recently recieved a BFA from NDSU in Visual Arts. But I think SDSU's art program is larger and I know has more faculty than NDSU (about 60 art majors and 10 faculty at NDSU compared to I think at least 15 faculty at SDSU, and perhaps double the number of majors). So why isn't SDSU allowed to offer a BFA degree?? I mean, SDSU is most likely a much larger art program, though I think the only thing that NDSU's art program has over SDSU's is facilities, and that's only thanks to Doug Burgum.

I don't understand why SDSU doesn't have a BFA. I know that NDSU, UND, Wyoming and Montana all offer BFA degrees in visual arts. Does USD offer a BFA?? If SDSU's art department is the largest in a large region, it should provide the opportunities to students that reflect its size. I mean, the state's art museum is located on SDSU's campus, so SDSU should have the flagship art program in SD, yes??

[propar80]

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About the art topic, I was kind of wondering, I recently recieved a BFA from NDSU in Visual Arts. But I think SDSU's art program is larger and I know has more faculty than NDSU (about 60 art majors and 10 faculty at NDSU compared to I think at least 15 faculty at SDSU, and perhaps double the number of majors). So why isn't SDSU allowed to offer a BFA degree?? I mean, SDSU is most likely a much larger art program, though I think the only thing that NDSU's art program has over SDSU's is facilities, and that's only thanks to Doug Burgum.

I don't understand why SDSU doesn't have a BFA. I know that NDSU, UND, Wyoming and Montana all offer BFA degrees in visual arts. Does USD offer a BFA?? If SDSU's art department is the largest in a large region, it should provide the opportunities to students that reflect its size. I mean, the state's art museum is located on SDSU's campus, so SDSU should have the flagship art program in SD, yes??

The same reason SDSU will never have an accredited "Business School"...the SDBOR in it's infinite wisdom/stubborness would never allow two of them, especially one at the U and one at SDSU.
Maybe the topic of this thread, along with the SDBOR allowing USD to start a 4-year RN program recently is a sign of change...but I'm not holding my breath.

Everything with SD's state universities have to be "fair and equitable"...Kind of like where the rest of our nation is going lately...oops...did I say that?

Go Jacks!!