Possible funding changes

[JackJD]

The daily papers yesterday had a story about the Board of Regents considering a change in funding for the universities. The present system requires the universities to send tuition money to the Regents which then distributes the money to the universities. The change under consideration will allow the schools to essentially retain the money received from the students: schools with increasing enrollments should benefit.

I believe it has been the case that SDSU pays in more than it receives under the current system -- the change should be good for SDSU.

[JackJD]

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Regents adopted the new policy. SDSU will be Rewarded for enrollment growth.

[goon]

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Any idea about how those numbers might change when it takes affect?

[JackJD]

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Any idea about how those numbers might change when it takes affect?

Not sure but it appears this will be a benefit to SDSU and it provides incentives for additional growth and additional advanced degrees. Northern State has seen a decline in enrollment -- it now has a strong incentive to figure out a way to bring in more students or it'll be in trouble.

[LakeJack]

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I posted this in another thread, please feel free to move it.

http://sdsufans.com/board/showthread...706#post154706

[JimmyJack]

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There are some financial projections for FY 2011 on the BOR site. But honestly, I cannot interpret them. The best I can do is say this will be good for SDSU. And bad for NSU, Mines, and DSU.

Here's the PDF. Maybe somebody with a better understanding of Regental system budget stuff can interpret the charts here:

http://www.sdbor.edu/board/items/doc...LLBOR0610K.pdf

[slosho]

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I am of the firm belief that this state has far too many public higher ed schools.

This is a great way to slowly kill the systems dead weight. All are great schools mind you, I just think all would be better served if we reduced 7(SDSU, DSU, BHSU, Mines, NSU, "university center", USDuh) institutions down to four (State, West river (pick one.. although mines is a lost cause IMO) SF, and that one down south)

This could strengthen the system and lower overall system cost..

But alas this will never happen...

I know there are plenty who disagree with me.. and that's fine.

[SDSUAlum08]

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I am of the firm belief that this state has far too many public higher ed schools.

This is a great way to slowly kill the systems dead weight. All are great schools mind you, I just think all would be better served if we reduced 7(SDSU, DSU, BHSU, Mines, NSU, "university center", USDuh) institutions down to four (State, West river (pick one.. although mines is a lost cause IMO) SF, and that one down south)

This could strengthen the system and lower overall system cost..

But alas this will never happen...

I know there are plenty who disagree with me.. and that's fine.

I completely agree. Althought I think if you just decreased 1 or 2 it would go a long way.

SDSU
USD
USDSU (which really doesn't count/it's more like a 1/4)
BHSU
Mines
NSU
DSU

I think if you combined BHSU and Mines together and then NSU and DSU together it'd go a long way.

This is interesting because up on Bisonville they were talking about the same thing. Have any of you ever been to Mayville St? I have and I have some pretty interesting ties to that place. But that place is ridiculous. It should not be open at all.

[Jacks-02]

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I completely agree. Althought I think if you just decreased 1 or 2 it would go a long way.

SDSU
USD
USDSU (which really doesn't count/it's more like a 1/4)
BHSU
Mines
NSU
DSU

I think if you combined BHSU and Mines together and then NSU and DSU together it'd go a long way.

This is interesting because up on Bisonville they were talking about the same thing. Have any of you ever been to Mayville St? I have and I have some pretty interesting ties to that place. But that place is ridiculous. It should not be open at all.

I think NSU has its place as there are alot of kids from the northern part of the state that need a place close enough to go to school. DSU and BHSU/Mines are the ones that I don't understand. There is no reason to have a college in Madison when its only 40 miles from Brookings and there's no reason to have two campuses in the Black Hills that are only 50 miles apart.

[zooropa]

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no reason to have a college in Madison when its only 40 miles from Brookings

Let alone to grant said college an MBA program while continuing to pretend that the largest public university graphic design program between Texas and Canada and the Rockies and the Mississippi doesn't exist. Yes. That's right. SDSU's graphic design program is larger than the programs at Wyoming, Montana, Montana State (itself a fairly sizable program), Colorado, Colorado State, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, NDSU (not even close) and UND.

USD has one graphic design professor, SDSU has five. SDSU has 180 graphic design majors. SDSU's art department dwarfs the one at the University of Typing and Filing down in Vermillion, but guess which one has the MFA, BFA, and NASAD accreditation?

[RabbitObsessed]

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Let alone to grant said college an MBA program while continuing to pretend that the largest public university graphic design program between Texas and Canada and the Rockies and the Mississippi doesn't exist. Yes. That's right. SDSU's graphic design program is larger than the programs at Wyoming, Montana, Montana State (itself a fairly sizable program), Colorado, Colorado State, Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, NDSU (not even close) and UND.

USD has one graphic design professor, SDSU has five. SDSU has 180 graphic design majors. SDSU's art department dwarfs the one at the University of Typing and Filing down in Vermillion, but guess which one has the MFA, BFA, and NASAD accreditation?

So sad.

[89rabbit]

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I want to point out that University Center - the old USDSU (Sioux Falls), Capital Center (Pierre), and Black Hills Center (Rapid City) are not campuses. They have no faculty they confere no degrees. They are attendance centers. A way for non-traditional students to access the public higher education programs in their home community.

They are class room buildings and the students that take classes there are actually going to school at one of the 6 regental institutions. The faculty that teach there belong to one of the 6 regental institutions.


Go State!

[slosho]

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I want to point out that University Center - the old USDSU (Sioux Falls), Capital Center (Pierre), and Black Hills Center (Rapid City) are not campuses. They have no faculty they confere no degrees. They are attendance centers. A way for non-traditional students to access the public higher education programs in their home community.

They are class room buildings and the students that take classes there are actually going to school at one of the 6 regental institutions. The faculty that teach there belong to one of the 6 regental institutions.


Go State!

Call it whatever you like... It is really just a way to have a regental institution in SF... Without "building a new school" I agree it serves a need.
but it also DOES take students away from the other schools.. although not technically. I haven't been able to find the enrollment #'s for the university center, but I would be willing to bet they are fast approaching or exceeding that of the smallest BOR School..

Odd that anybody should mention that there is a NEED for a school @ NSU.. as they were the only institution with declining enrollment 2008-2009

just my 0.02

[zooropa]

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So sad.

If -any- department at SDSU has a right to tell the administration and the BOR to take a long walk down a short pier, it's the art department. No department has done more with less.

In the face of administrative indifference and regental antagonism, the art department has grown about 800% over the last 25 years.

And that's in hand-me-down facilities that the 'favored' departments on campus wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Heck, the only reason why the art department is in Grove Hall is because Solberg Hall was condemned about ten years ago, and the college of engineering decided they wanted it back.

If SDSU as a whole had grown as fast as the art department over the last 25 years, it would have an enrollment of about 50-60,000 right now.

That's right. Despite the attitude of people like you, the art department has grown about five times faster than the university as a whole, and it is now -easily- one of the best professional programs of its kind in the central US.

Not -because- of the administration and the BOR but -in spite- of it. Frankly, SDSU and the BOR don't deserve the art department they've got. They deserve to have an art department with a handful of art ed majors playing with scissors and tempera paint.

[slosho]

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If -any- department at SDSU has a right to tell the administration and the BOR to take a long walk down a short pier, it's the art department. No department has done more with less.

In the face of administrative indifference and regental antagonism, the art department has grown about 800% over the last 25 years.

And that's in hand-me-down facilities that the 'favored' departments on campus wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Heck, the only reason why the art department is in Grove Hall is because Solberg Hall was condemned about ten years ago, and the college of engineering decided they wanted it back.

If SDSU as a whole had grown as fast as the art department over the last 25 years, it would have an enrollment of about 50-60,000 right now.

That's right. Despite the attitude of people like you, the art department has grown about five times faster than the university as a whole, and it is now -easily- one of the best professional programs of its kind in the central US.

Not -because- of the administration and the BOR but -in spite- of it. Frankly, SDSU and the BOR don't deserve the art department they've got. They deserve to have an art department with a handful of art ed majors playing with scissors and tempera paint.

Maybe he was agreeing with you... like "it's sad that, that is all the art has received in support" ?