Sioux Falls Event Center

[jackdaniel]

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Oh? And how has Sioux Falls benefited from that convention center?

Honestly,you mean you don't think SF has made anything by building a Convention Center?Really?The tale of two towns,both equal in size, both nice towns.One has only a post office.The other has ,a post office, and a public swimming pool.Which would you frequent the most?

[propar80]

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With who's perspective are you figuring this?The one who's likely to gain,or the poor person who has to pay for the rich guys gain?If i'm the poor guy struggling to keep my head above water, i would go for the $ 2000.00 rather than the $ 2200.00 initial investment ,I've heard no one mention anything in regard to the poorest of our scociety in anything debated here so far.

The poorest along with the cheapest/tightest of our society has been discussed. They're the ones that will vote NO to EITHER option. I think most of us on here agree that SF needs an Events Center...these people do not feel that way, and thus will vote NO to either option, no matter who it benefits...even if it in some way benefits them(lower property taxes from long term growth of the city)...they won't hear it.

And as for the "who's pockets are getting lined arguement" who gives a rat's ass? When did it become a crime in this state to make a buck, god I hate that jealous attitude and it's what keeps SD 49th and 50th in every category. Same damn attitude that probably kept us D-2 20 years longer than we should've been.
I don't know any of the BID people and I could care less about which one of them owns whatever business as long as they're willing to stick their necks out and build something next to this thing. Bottom line if in the long run people are speding more of their $$$ at business's in SF because of a new EC, that's good for me as a resident of SF AND the STATE of SD, whether that's business DT or out by the Arena. It just happens to be my OPINION that DT would in the long-term bring in more tax revenue associated with an EC.

Go Jacks!!

[hareball]

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With the Mayor's tiebreaking vote earlier this week, the BID ship has sailed and it is time to forget the BID option, whether that was the option you preferred or not.

The 2 remaining options are:
A) Build at the Arena site
B) Don't build

Continued rehashing of the merits of building downtown, whether you agree with it or not, only make it more likely that option B will we selected by the voters.

[zooropa]

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Honestly,you mean you don't think SF has made anything by building a Convention Center?Really?

No, I don't.

The events being held at the convention center were previously held at the Ramkota exhibit hall, or at the arena with the bleachers rolled back.

The CC hasn't brought new business and it hasn't even stabilized its neighborhood (much less spurred growth).

[zooropa]

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more likely that option B will we selected by the voters.

This is the correct option. If you aren't going to spend the money to do it right, don't do it. Downtown or at the Arena--without paving McCart fields, and with better zoning, with a TIF district, and with streetscaping. Those are the only two good choices.

Destroying more of the West Sioux neighborhood so that out of towners won't be spooked by and the taxpayer over the course of 30 years won't have to pay for a parking ramp is irresponsible.

Assuming that redevelopment of West Sioux will occur *just because* there's an events center is irresponsible. That the gradual destruction of that neighborhood's sense of place, by paving its public spaces and widening its roads to empty a gigantic and frequently empty parking lot------that's irresponsible.

If the mayor is going to take things away from West Sioux, he dang well should invest in the neighborhood as well.

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The mayor's plan is irresponsible. There, I've said it, and I'd say it again if I had to.

[Theee Catrabbit]

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No, I don't.

The events being held at the convention center were previously held at the Ramkota exhibit hall, or at the arena with the bleachers rolled back.

The CC hasn't brought new business and it hasn't even stabilized its neighborhood (much less spurred growth).

I don't know how to give rep points....but this is one the truest statement I've ever seen.

[91jack]

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I thought I heard people talking about more things that could POSSIBLY come to town if you put it by the arena and covention center because of the extra space. I'm not talking about getting several big convertions but if SF did get a couple of them wouldn't that bring some extra money to SF? It sounds like some of you don't think anything extra would come from one site to the other. If they get the exact same shows, I can see the plus from having it downtown but if you bring a few thousand extra people for a convention or 2 wouldn't that make up for it?

[zooropa]

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POSSIBLY

The convention center can't even find enough business to fill its current footprint.

[LakeJack]

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[JACKGUYII]

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Wow. I actually agree with Zooropa on something. Building at the current arena/convention center site will be a momunental mistake. Throwing a 120 million dollars at a location that has shown no ability to generate economic and commercial development is just plain irresponsible. Huether is a an egomaniac who is hell bent on getting this done on his watch without any attempt to try and work with various idea and opinions. The majority of the business community (not just downtown business's) are against building at the arena location. How frustrating is it to go to the Summit League tournament and have only two overcrowded sports bars to go to within walking distance. I hope this thing is DOA when it gets to the voters and Sioux Falls gets a mayor with true vision and build the event center downtown like every other city. No event center is better than another 50 year location mistake!

[West-River_Jack]

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If you build it downtown, there will be some extra motel, restaurant, and bar business downtown associated with hosted events. If you build it at the arena site, there will be some extra motel, restaurant, and bar business in the outlying parts of the city. Either way, somebody gets a little more business conducted in their part of town, probably at the expense of businesses in other parts of the city. Quite frankly, when I attend events in Sioux Falls, I like to stay at motels in the I-29 and 26th street cluster of businesses and tend to eat at restuarants in that area or those on or near Louise Avenue. This will remain the same no matter where the events center is built. I will spend a few hundred dollars on each visit. If you don't build it anywhere and the events are held in another city, you won't get my few hundred dollars at all. In other words, either build it or don't build it. Using the location argument is really only an argument over who benefits. The build it at any location or not build it at all is an argument about whether me and a lot of people like me will come to Sioux Falls from time to time and leave a few hundred dollars behind, or not.

[zooropa]

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If you build it at the arena site, there will be some extra motel, restaurant, and bar business in the outlying parts of the city.

In the years since the Convention Center was built the following has occurred:

The Howard Johnson lost its national franchise and was demolished.
The Excel Inn went progressively downhill, first as an EconoLodge and now as some off-brand regional franchise.
The Super 8 is now a Knights Inn (lower tier brand).
The Travelodge became the "Hospitality Suites", then caught fire and is now an apartment building.
The Country Kitchen was built. It lost its franchise and was closed and then reopened as Michaels and has closed again.
The Homer's restaurant closed, then reopened as Nutty's North, then closed and reopened as "Boonies".
The Lion's Pub closed and reopened and then closed again and is now a bus depot.

Are you seeing a pattern here? The Arena site is a wasteland. Putting in a 12,000 seat venue is not going to make it anything other than a wasteland with a 12,000 seat arena in it.

Not all locations are equal. Not in terms of follow-on development, not in terms of sales tax revenue.

[slosho]

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In the years since the Convention Center was built the following has occurred:

The Howard Johnson lost its national franchise and was demolished.
The Excel Inn went progressively downhill, first as an EconoLodge and now as some off-brand regional franchise.
The Super 8 is now a Knights Inn (lower tier brand).
The Travelodge became the "Hospitality Suites", then caught fire and is now an apartment building.
The Country Kitchen was built. It lost its franchise and was closed and then reopened as Michaels and has closed again.
The Homer's restaurant closed, then reopened as Nutty's North, then closed and reopened as "Boonies".
The Lion's Pub closed and reopened and then closed again and is now a bus depot.

Are you seeing a pattern here? The Arena site is a wasteland. Putting in a 12,000 seat venue is not going to make it anything other than a wasteland with a 12,000 seat arena in it.

Not all locations are equal. Not in terms of follow-on development, not in terms of sales tax revenue.

Probably it's a wasteland due to the ease of getting to other locations.... but I digress.

[Jacks-02]

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The problem with restaurants in this part of town is there really isn't enough residential zoning around it to support it when there aren't events at the Arena site. Everything north of Russell is industrial/airport and most everything between Minnesota and Western north of 6th St. is floodway/parks or commercial/office. This also is one of the older parts of town so the residential areas that are here are generally the lower income variety. I don't know if a TIF district would spur any redevelopment of the area or not.

There are some good advantages of putting it at the current site with the infrastructure in place and sharing of facilities for larger events, but development of the area isn't one of them.

[zooropa]

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Probably it's a wasteland due to the ease of getting to other locations.... but I digress.

As dependent as this city, county and state (schools) are on property taxes, incremental business is not as valuable as new construction. New construction adds to the tax rolls *and* generates sales tax revenue. Incremental sales scattered throughout the city only adds sales tax revenue.