Frost Arena Capacity?

[89rabbit]

Re: Frost Arena Capacity?

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. Who is talking about changing the student section? The chair back seats are going to be behind the student section in what is now GA. I have heard no plans to reduce the current student section.

P.S. The Duke example is nice; however let's take a look at a few Universities that are a little more similar to SDSU. Say a school like Wichita State, their student section is under one basket and they share it with the pep band.


http://www.nmnathletics.com/fls/7500...DB_OEM_ID=7500

How about Kansas?  Not on the side court.

http://kuathletics.cstv.com/faciliti...e-seating.html

Another Mid-Major -- University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, behind the basket:

http://uwmpanthers.cstv.com/tickets/...g-diagram.html

UNI?  Take a peek at what UNI students go through to go to their games:

http://ticketreturn.solidspace.com/u...t-A-Glance.pdf

I am all for taking care of our current students they are one of the biggest reasons that SDSU existis, with that said it seems to me that they are getting a pretty good deal right now.  


Go State!  

[NightHawk78]

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UNI's ticket program for students looks complex, but it accounts for students who show up at EVERY game.

[SD-STATE]

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[quote author=CatchEmAll link=1173939865/75#84 date=1174501074]Let's not be ignorant to the fact that the student sections bleachers were changed out for a reason.  The old wooden bleachers in all sections are in need of constant repair.  So the new student section isn't just to "look pretty".  Those bleachers were a lawsuit waiting to happen so the decision to change them out was a smart one.  Smaller student section should equal more demand for students to show up regularly and early for games.  It's unfortunate that too many students are apathetic and show up one or two times a year, and then get pissed off because the student section is full and they have to sit somewhere else.  I'm proud to say I attended every men's and women's basketball game for six years and sat in the same spot in the student section for every game.  Why did I do that - one, because I wanted to support the other athletes on campus and two, I liked my seats and showed up early to get them.  So I guess I can't buy into arguments being made on this thread. Yes, students are valuable.  Yes, season ticket holders are valuable. But until the students start showing up enmasse for EVERY home game and show the athletic department there is a need for more student seating the effort should be made to sell as many season tickets up front to collect that guaranteed money.

I agree Catch em.  I been a season ticket holder for a number of years. I make annual donations and do a GIK. I sat by Coach Cunningham at the Illinois State game and I said to him that it would be nice if every game was attended like the one on Saturday. The alumni, students, and Jackrabbit Club members are all important. There are students complaining now. I did not here a single complaint at any of the games this season when at 15 minutes prior to tip-off there were not more than 25 people in the student section. If they want to squawk, then start showing up all the time from Midnight Minus Two until the post season.[/quote]

Let's not pretend the reserved ticket seats are filled up for every home game. Season ticket holders aren't exactly packing the place. Granted their money for the tickets are still in a sense donated, students still make a contribution as well. Are we really getting into a "who are the more deserving fans" debate? Students vs. Alumni/season ticket holders? I don't think either sides really trumps the other does it. If it does than that is really sad. Neither has much of a future with out the other.

[goon]

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[quote author=goon link=1173939865/75#78 date=1174498258][quote author=BTownJack link=1173939865/75#76 date=1174498075]goon...stop please...you aren't going to win this argument.  Your name "goon" is accurately describing you as a poster right now.

Ooohhh, out come the cheapshots.
[/quote]
I believe you were the one upthread who referred to the reasoning of those who disagree with you as "retarded."

This thread is about to get more aggressively moderated.  Everybody should try to behave themselves.  It's not expected that everyone agree, but it is expected that there is some degree of respect afforded those with whom you may disagree.  [/quote]
They said my reasons were flawed, i thought thier reasons were retarded. Not an actual attack on someone. To me that is different, if you disagree, then you disagree. Obviously there are a lot of people who have feelings about this and it is a good problem to have but how to handel it is up for debate. Once the season ticket holders start showing up the games every game as well as the students who need better attendance as well. Lets say in 10 years. What if the sucsess of the mens and womens team brings out the fan support. Then lets say enrollment goes up to 15,000 in that time frame, making more students who might want to go to the games. Then who gets priorety? If we have an arena that holds enough people, it really wont people a problem. We are talking about increasing football capacity but at the same time limiting basketball? Explain?

[CatchEmAll]

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Easier solution - CatchEm All Arena

Git'r done and donate some of your money for a change

Right now all of my money is going to the "Keep a roof over MY head" Fund. Once that's taken care of we will concentrate on the facility in my name.

[goon]

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[quote author=D-town link=1173939865/75#89 date=1174505088]Easier solution - CatchEm All Arena

Git'r done and donate some of your money for a change

Right now all of my money is going to the "Keep a roof over MY head" Fund. Once that's taken care of we will concentrate on the facility in my name.[/quote]
Most of my funding i have allocated this year is to "getting food in my belly" fund.

[Jackrabbit]

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Additional thoughts:

1) The department will probably always feel bad about moving the students when they first put chair backs in, but long-term - it was the best choice.  

And they'll continue to think about the student's safety and participation.  Talk to staff there who sat at the scorer's table and tell about times the PA announcer can't get the info from the official scorer because it's so loud - and they're right next to each other.  Imagine sitting at the scorer's table and hearing that damn front rail behind you creak and grown from the weight of O'Hare's and Chevy-induced joy.  They want you loud and there.  And there's a reason why refs use hand signals.

2) The activity fee is one area where funds could be raised, but not without some trepidation.  

But like an earlier post, those funds may also include fees to cover PE classrooms, Intramurals and other activities hosted by Frost, not just athletics.  

3) The Fire Marshal thing always gets me.

I heard of a place down south where the Fire Marshal was threatening to close off sales and the AD gave the Marshal a flier from his jacket pocket that had the Marshal's home address and phone, saying he can get copies made ASAP and would be given to all the people turned away from the ticket gate within minutes.  The Marshal turned around, took off his badge, got a hot dog, and continued to watch that night's game from a department-owned seat.

4) As for building a new, larger facility. You build one for the normal attended game, not the best.

Imagine a 10,000 seat arena being built for a regular attendance of 3,000.  You can count how many birds are chirping.  With Frost, you didn't know there were birds in there until white stuff came landing in your chocolate cone.  Damn bird.

[Jackrabbit]

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And I didn't type darn bird.

[goon]

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My thinking is of a best case senario. If student enrollment goes up, the potential for students at games would increase. With the possiblity of the teams getting better in the future and being confrence powers, more average and alumni fans would want to go. If we were going by how things are now. the mens teams could play in the high school gym with enough room leftover. Not to be lame and quote the field of dreams, but if you built it they will come. If we have a arena that holds 5000-6000 fans, thats all we ever will have, if we want to show the team how serious we are and if they are winning like we soon will be expecting from them, Then having room for the fans to attend is important to me. Not everyone is a super fan like some of you are showing up good or bad. but with sucsess comes fans, and where will those fans go if the arena is not big enough. Because they didnt stick with the team through the transition and when they were down, they dont deserve it. is that what your are gonna say? Its not a direct question but just away to get my point across.

To me a worst case senario would be the teams struggle fans dont show up and the amount of fans wanting to go would be able to handel a 6000 seat arena with out complaint. No matter the size of the arena, It should always be filled if you ask me but If we want to emulate the sucsess that other programs have, we should have the venue to grow with it, not limit it.

[valleyrabbit]

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[quote author=filbert link=1173939865/75#80 date=1174499358][quote author=goon link=1173939865/75#78 date=1174498258][quote author=BTownJack link=1173939865/75#76 date=1174498075]goon...stop please...you aren't going to win this argument.  Your name "goon" is accurately describing you as a poster right now.

Ooohhh, out come the cheapshots.
[/quote]
I believe you were the one upthread who referred to the reasoning of those who disagree with you as "retarded."

This thread is about to get more aggressively moderated.  Everybody should try to behave themselves.  It's not expected that everyone agree, but it is expected that there is some degree of respect afforded those with whom you may disagree.  [/quote]
They said my reasons were flawed, i thought thier reasons were retarded.  Not an actual attack on someone.  To me that is different, if you disagree, then you disagree.  Obviously there are a lot of people who have feelings about this and it is a good problem to have but how to handel it is up for debate.  Once the season ticket holders start showing up the games every game as well as the students who need better attendance as well.  Lets say in 10 years.  What if the sucsess of the mens and womens team brings out the fan support.  Then lets say enrollment goes up to 15,000 in that time frame,  making more students who might want to go to the games.  Then who gets priorety?  If we have an arena that holds enough people, it really wont people a problem.  We are talking about increasing football capacity but at the same time limiting basketball?  Explain?  [/quote]

Football and Basketball are completely different monsters.

1. As a D-I program we will get 5-6 home football games. The vast majority of those games will be on Saturday. Football is easy for fans to attend because making it back to Brookings for a weekend isn't that difficult.

2. As a D-1 program we will have 12-15 home basketball games each for men and women. Only 5-6 of those will be on Saturday's. It is much more difficult for fans to travel to all of the home basketball games due to scheduling time away from work and family on a weeknight game.

3. With a TV contract looming sellouts will be a good thing. The athletic department can sell more season tickets and then profit from a TV contract.

4. Hopefully these WNIT games this year and hopefully next will be some of the LAST postseason games at Frost. The Mid-Con tournament is held on a neutral court as is the NCAA tournament. Football play-off games however are held on the campus sites.

[goon]

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The gonzaga refrence was also nice, but they only have 6300 students. needless to say we have more then that and are growing every year.

[valleyrabbit]

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The gonzaga refrence was also nice, but they only have 6300 students.  needless to say we have more then that and are growing every year.  

Our population base is much smaller as Brookings is much smaller than Spokane. UNI's new arena is about the same size and so is their student population. When the average MBB attendance equals a sellout we will talk about building a new arena. I hope that is a problem in the near future, but I think that is a few years away.

[joeboo22]

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the problem with putting reserved seating behind the student section is you get some old people who go and look at it empty and see a good view then they get there durring the game and theres students infront of them standing and they yell at them to sit down then the students cant see... I don't know who bad the view will be effected at frost.. I've seen this at numerous small gyms in high schools when area teams play it gets full and theres always some old people that get there early and sit behind teh student section and yell at the students... Students are suppose to stand and I don't want anything to object to that. I don't know

[JimmyJack]

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the problem with putting reserved seating behind the student section is you get some old people who go and look at it empty and see a good view then they get there durring the game and theres students infront of them standing and they yell at them to sit down then the students cant see... I don't know who bad the view will be effected at frost.. I've seen this at numerous small gyms in high schools when area teams play it gets full and theres always some old people that get there early and sit behind teh student section and yell at the students... Students are suppose to stand and I don't want anything to object to that. I don't know

They're going to raise the new south reserved section (like the ones on the end lines on the lower level) so standing students won't be in the sight lines.

[BTownJack]

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[quote author=goon link=1173939865/90#100 date=1174513316]The gonzaga refrence was also nice, but they only have 6300 students.  needless to say we have more then that and are growing every year.  

Our population base is much smaller as Brookings is much smaller than Spokane.  UNI's new arena is about the same size and so is their student population.  When the average MBB attendance equals a sellout we will talk about building a new arena.  I hope that is a problem in the near future, but I think that is a few years away.[/quote]

I thought of UNI today before I read this post...sure enough...UNI's new stadium which opened in the fall of 2006 only has a capacity around 7000. And how many students do they have...12,500.

Link to their staduim info:
http://www.uni.edu/mcleod/tickets.shtml

Link to thieir enrollment figures:
http://www.uni.edu/infosys/aboutuni/geninfo.shtml

As I said before...I'm happy our administration is following this precedent on seating.