West Virginia dual

[TheWombat]

Nothing to gain but health. Kinda a big part at this point in the season when your wrestler has already MFF in a recent match. And then you just repeated me with what Sloan had to gain. And can you sight a time that Hahn has had a wrestler duck? Vegas wrestled every ranked guy same with Henry and Carlson and all our guys. Nobody has ducked ever for SDSU under Hahn and I can’t even remember a time under bono. So why even consider it with a guy who’s recently mff?

And pretty much yes I said they need to realize where they are before booing because they suck. The crowd might have been bigger than the camera showed, I pray to god anyway, but it looked just about empty. How does that look to school officials? And then to boo the opposing team because their injured 197 lber didn’t go out because of said injury. It’s not a good look. Realize where you are and be happy that WVU is continuing to support the program by getting a guy like Flynn and having a guy to cheer for like Adams at this point. Like I said they are in a situation like we were before bono. Take your wins and cheer and only boo at bad antics and the ref!


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I will reiterate. The SDSU coaches made a perfectly defensible decision, and I am not at all bothered by their having made it. That said, when you forfeit to the best wrestler on the team, people are going to boo. Nobody in Morgantown knows or cares about Tanner Sloan or the health of his knee. They were booing because their favorite wrestler didn't have a match, not because they were anticipating a good match-up with a talented wrestler. I had to explain to WVU fans sitting around me who Sloan was in the same way that I had to explain to SDSU fans around me who every wrestler in the WVU line-up was outside of Adams and Ngati. I still don't understand how it would be more appropriate to boo as a Penn State fan than as a WVU fan, but maybe I'm just not going to. For context, the crowd was about as big as an average SDSU home dual, they way the collesium is set up,the close-up seats are obstructed by the head table, so people don't sit there.

EDIT: I think I've pieced it togeth. Your thought is that, with the team struggling like it is, the administration might not support a team that is fostering a negative base. I can assure you, you don't have to worry about that at WVU. Sportsmanship doesn't mean as much in West Virginia as it does in South Dakota. I could explain it to you, but you really have to see it for yourself to understand.

[TheWombat]

Nothing to gain by wrestling Sloan* rather serious typo

[KSjack]

They had literally nothing to gain from sitting Sloan. If he lost, even badly, it would have been expected. If he won, If would have been a huge deal for him. He also would have benefited tremendously from getting his hands on an unconventional wrestler like Adams to get a feel for him. I was responding to what I thought was your implied assertion that the coaches would not duck a wrestler, which we don't know to be true yet. Looking back, you had only mentioned it in the context of Sloan, and I do agree that he would have wrestled if healthy.

I am curious what you mean when you say "they have to realize where they are at." Are you saying that, because they are a bad team, they shouldn't be upset about not seeing Adams? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I just don't understand.

Nothing to gain but health. Kinda a big part at this point in the season when your wrestler has already MFF in a recent match. And then you just repeated me with what Sloan had to gain. And can you sight a time that Hahn has had a wrestler duck? Vegas wrestled every ranked guy same with Henry and Carlson and all our guys. Nobody has ducked ever for SDSU under Hahn and I can’t even remember a time under bono. So why even consider it with a guy who’s recently mff?

And pretty much yes I said they need to realize where they are before booing because they suck. The crowd might have been bigger than the camera showed, I pray to god anyway, but it looked just about empty. How does that look to school officials? And then to boo the opposing team because their injured 197 lber didn’t go out because of said injury. It’s not a good look. Realize where you are and be happy that WVU is continuing to support the program by getting a guy like Flynn and having a guy to cheer for like Adams at this point. Like I said they are in a situation like we were before bono. Take your wins and cheer and only boo at bad antics and the ref!


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[MontanaRabbit]

They had literally nothing to gain from sitting Sloan. If he lost, even badly, it would have been expected. If he won, If would have been a huge deal for him. He also would have benefited tremendously from getting his hands on an unconventional wrestler like Adams to get a feel for him. I was responding to what I thought was your implied assertion that the coaches would not duck a wrestler, which we don't know to be true yet. Looking back, you had only mentioned it in the context of Sloan, and I do agree that he would have wrestled if healthy.

I am curious what you mean when you say "they have to realize where they are at." Are you saying that, because they are a bad team, they shouldn't be upset about not seeing Adams? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I just don't understand.

Nothing to gain? I mean he just MFF’d against OSU. It’s not a stretch to say putting him out there against the #2 guy in the country could possibly putting him at risk aggravating his injury. Sure he wrestled Sunday but there is a rather distinct difference between the guy he wrestled Sunday and Adams.

Not only that but it was known well before the match Sloan wasn’t wrestling.

[AlwaysJacked]

I would trust the coaches’ decision. They aren’t responsible to cater to what the WVU fans/coaches want. They have an obligation to make sure their athlete is well enough to wrestle..end of story. No need to jeopardize March for a dual that was well in hand. In case you forgot, Sloan wrestled on a Jr World Team. He isn’t ducking anyone.

[TheWombat]

... please tell me what Hahn and co had to gain seating wise sitting Sloan? Sloan had absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain. He was sat for being injured. WVU is a complete and total rebuild much like we were when bono came. They are lucky to have Adams in the room to build off. I understand the crowd being upset but they have to realize where they are at this point.


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They had literally nothing to gain from wrestling Sloan. If he lost, even badly, it would have been expected. If he won, If would have been a huge deal for him. He also would have benefited tremendously from getting his hands on an unconventional wrestler like Adams to get a feel for him. I was responding to what I thought was your implied assertion that the coaches would not duck a wrestler, which we don't know to be true yet. Looking back, you had only mentioned it in the context of Sloan, and I do agree that he would have wrestled if healthy.

I am curious what you mean when you say "they have to realize where they are at." Are you saying that, because they are a bad team, they shouldn't be upset about not seeing Adams? I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, I just don't understand.

[slosho]

... please tell me what Hahn and co had to gain seating wise sitting Sloan? Sloan had absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain. He was sat for being injured. WVU is a complete and total rebuild much like we were when bono came. They are lucky to have Adams in the room to build off. I understand the crowd being upset but they have to realize where they are at this point.


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Keeping Sloan from aggravating a previous injury. Seems like a logical gain to me.

I guess maybe looking at your post that first question you were trying to answer. Not trying to be snarky here, but my post was to answer the first question.

[KSjack]

I'm not saying that they did the wrong thing, just that is a more significant detriment to WVUs program than people might think and that people have a good reason to be upset. I also don't know for a fact that Hahn and co are unwilling to game the system for the purpose of seeding or tactics in the same way that most other coaches are. They frequently say that March is what matters and that duals are mostly a vehicle to get better seeds at conference.

I'm not exactly in a position to tell them where to wrestle their duals but the parking situation on campus is pretty rough. They are hosting their next dual at the local high school for some reason, perhaps that is the driver.

... please tell me what Hahn and co had to gain seating wise sitting Sloan? Sloan had absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain. He was sat for being injured. WVU is a complete and total rebuild much like we were when bono came. They are lucky to have Adams in the room to build off. I understand the crowd being upset but they have to realize where they are at this point.


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I'm not saying that they did the wrong thing, just that is a more significant detriment to WVUs program than people might think and that people have a good reason to be upset. I also don't know for a fact that Hahn and co are unwilling to game the system for the purpose of seeding or tactics in the same way that most other coaches are. They frequently say that March is what matters and that duals are mostly a vehicle to get better seeds at conference.

I'm not exactly in a position to tell them where to wrestle their duals but the parking situation on campus is pretty rough. They are hosting their next dual at the local high school for some reason, perhaps that is the driver.

WVU's women's basketball hosts Kansas that day at the same time as the wrestling dual. I guess no one wanted to switch dates or times? SDSU has double-headers of multiple sports with no problems (just look at this next weekend.)

[TheWombat]

I understand where you are coming from but there is no way Hawkins is wrestling the undefeated #2 197 in the land when Hawkins is a backup 174. If Sloan was not injured at OSU last weekend he would have wrestled no doubt.

Possibly wrestling your duals in a smaller arena could drive attendance. Smaller venue seems to attract more folks.

I'm not saying that they did the wrong thing, just that is a more significant detriment to WVUs program than people might think and that people have a good reason to be upset. I also don't know for a fact that Hahn and co are unwilling to game the system for the purpose of seeding or tactics in the same way that most other coaches are. They frequently say that March is what matters and that duals are mostly a vehicle to get better seeds at conference.

I'm not exactly in a position to tell them where to wrestle their duals but the parking situation on campus is pretty rough. They are hosting their next dual at the local high school for some reason, perhaps that is the driver.

[opinionsaremyown]

As someone who hasn't missed a WVU home dual all season I can tell you that one of the only reasons casual fans ever take the time to come out is to watch Noah Adams. He's an undefeated native wrestler in a state that has a lot of pride and the lone bright spot in what has been a really rough season. I get not putting Sloan in a position to get injured but the Colosseum had more fans in the stands tonight than I've seen all year and watching a kid from Coal City, WV put it on Kelby Hawkins would have given some of them a reason to come back. I understand the decision, Kelby would have gotten beat pretty bad and there's probably a higher than average chance of injury but we should at least understand why they would be upset by that.

I understand where you are coming from but there is no way Hawkins is wrestling the undefeated #2 197 in the land when Hawkins is a backup 174. If Sloan was not injured at OSU last weekend he would have wrestled no doubt.

Possibly wrestling your duals in a smaller arena could drive attendance. Smaller venue seems to attract more folks.

[TheWombat]

I'm glad to see Cook making his presence felt in the practice room. Carlson fought of a single with a gator bacon in his match and Smith pinned his opponent in at cement mixer. It's good that Hahn and co are brave enough to let their wrestlers experiment with these risky moves.

[TheWombat]

Hey WVU announcers & crowd do your homework. Sloan is injured.
their crowd booing was the most energetic the crowd has gotten the whole dual.

As someone who hasn't missed a WVU home dual all season I can tell you that one of the only reasons casual fans ever take the time to come out is to watch Noah Adams. He's an undefeated native wrestler in a state that has a lot of pride and the lone bright spot in what has been a really rough season. I get not putting Sloan in a position to get injured but the Colosseum had more fans in the stands tonight than I've seen all year and watching a kid from Coal City, WV put it on Kelby Hawkins would have given some of them a reason to come back. I understand the decision, Kelby would have gotten beat pretty bad and there's probably a higher than average chance of injury but we should at least understand why they would be upset by that.

[UWMandSDSU]

Hey WVU announcers & crowd do your homework. Sloan is injured.
their crowd booing was the most energetic the crowd has gotten the whole dual.

[Southeast]

I took a second to look back at Wombat’s review of the 165 match and looked back up to find Cook suddenly with an opponent on his back. It’s pretty cool to see 3 straight pins - especially Smith’s with one second left in the match.