Another blow to NDSU Womens BB

[boxerboy]

Amy Kallemeyn an All State recruit from Edgerton, MN who red shirted last year is transferring to NWC in Orange City. I do not know much about her except her HS stats but it seems to me this must be a big disappointment to NDSU girls BB.
On the other hand, Earl Woudstra NWC coach has put together quite a recruiting class to follow up on his NAIA national championship.

[filbert]

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Amy Kallemeyn an All State recruit from Edgerton, MN who red shirted last year is transferring to NWC in Orange City. I do not know much about her except her HS stats but it seems to me this must be a big disappointment to NDSU girls BB.
On the other hand, Earl Woudstra NWC coach has put together quite a recruiting class to follow up on his NAIA national championship.

Transfers out are never any fun, but I'm coming to accept (after having for the past six years closely watching not only SDSU's programs but also Kansas, K-State, Mizzou, and UMKC from my vantage point in suburban Kansas City) that they're simply the way things are in college athletics any more.

Don't get me wrong, transfers are never a good thing (unless they're transferring in, of course ) but I think the goal is always to create a consistent athletic program that can withstand the occasional transfer out, and take proper advantage of the occasional transfer in.

Life goes on . . .

[Nidaros]

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With a new coach at NDSU, this may not be a disappointment from the new coaches view. Unless this is a dark period in terms of NCAA, the new coach could sign someone else they have recruited and might fit their program better. I think too, a new coach really has no idea on what progress the student athlete made in their red shirt year. If she did not play, there are no videos, only the testimony of the old coach Amy Ruley, which she might not have been compliementy for Amy. Just speculating here.

On the other side of the coin this transfer may be purely Amy's choice, and she might have wanted to be closer to home. I imagine watching NDSU get tromped twice by the SDSU women could not have been fun, plus its been so-so at NDSU in terms of wins, and NWC seems to be on a roll in NAIA. Playing for a winning program at NAIA level may mean more than playing with a mid major program that is just finishing transition and so so in terms of wins and losses. This too, may be part of her thinking.

The letter of intent contract from what I understand is more for publicity on signing day and also a means to stop recruiting by other coaches after the letter of intent has been signed. Transfers are to be inititiated by the the student athlete. They have to contact the coach of the school they are to transfer to, and the coach of that school has to get permission from the current school to speak to the athlete about transferring. The student athletes seem to be calling the shots, so they seem to have more ways than one to walk away from the contract.

These are the things that come to my mind and perhaps very speculative in nature. I can't say I have any inside information.

[Rabbit74]

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I don't believe that the NAIA participates in the National Letter of Intent so the rules would be different. That is not to say that there was contact by the coach, just that the National Letter of Intent and other rules would not apply. At least the conferennce of which Northwestern and USF are members is not a member of the NLI program.

[BTownJack]

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I don't believe that the NAIA participates in the National Letter of Intent so the rules would be different. That is not to say that there was contact by the coach, just that the National Letter of Intent and other rules would not apply. At least the conferennce of which Northwestern and USF are members is not a member of the NLI program.

You are correct...NAIA schools run by a much less strict set of rules. They are free to contact student athletes at other 4-year NCAA schools and visa versa. Coaches at NCAA schools are free to talk to kids at NAIA schools.

Also, the letter of intent rules don't apply here. The NLI is a binding agreement for only year only and since this girl has already completed the terms of her NLI there is nothing keeping her at NDSU.

[Nidaros]

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You are correct...NAIA schools run by a much less strict set of rules. They are free to contact student athletes at other 4-year NCAA schools and visa versa. Coaches at NCAA schools are free to talk to kids at NAIA schools.

Also, the letter of intent rules don't apply here. The NLI is a binding agreement for only year only and since this girl has already completed the terms of her NLI there is nothing keeping her at NDSU.

Thanks, I had forgotten all about NAIA. I guess I would not make a good compliance officer without a lot of research. lol.

[JackJD]

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It seems transfers occur more frequently in DI and I think filbert is correct: it's just the nature of the game these days. The better programs (SDSU included) are attracting top athletes who want playing time. I was always amazed when in years past, programs like Duke and UCLA on the men's side, Tennessee on the women's side, had players on their benches who would be starters at any other school. Coaches had to be amazing people managers to keep such players in the fold for four years. UCLA seemed to have lost that touch when Coach Wooden retired. Duke seems to have slipped, too. Tennessee continues to roll.

Was there a day when athletes attended a particular school because they wanted to attend THAT school and obtain a particular degree from THAT school?

[JamesJacks]

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I think JackJD brings up some great points. I have no idea what went into the reasons for the NDSU player's transfer but here's my take on why so many kids transfer these days. I am familar with some situations where kids have gone to a school and then tranfered a year or two later. (1) Playing time issues have to be considered as one of the top reasons for tranfers. Believe it or not, some players don't always get all the information they need before deciding on a school & basketball program. Some get caught up in the fact they were offered a scholarship by school X, that they seriously don't consider all the other players on the current and future roster. A scholarship offer does not mean you are going to play. (2) I've mentioned this on another thread but some kids get caught up in the "name" of a school. They choose to go to school X because they play in this or that conference, or they made it to the sweet sixteen last year, etc...then they can say they play at school X. It feeds the ego. Then once they get to school X they realize that this may not be for me. So some choose a name of school and don't consider all factors. (3) Time. This kind of goes back to playing time but scholarship athletes put in time 12 months a year for their particular sport. It usually means you can't go home as much as a normal college student does. If I'm only playing a couple minutes a game, or playing in only certain games, do I want to put in all this time for that?
Just one person's opinion.

[boxerboy]

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I think JackJD brings up some great points. I have no idea what went into the reasons for the NDSU player's transfer but here's my take on why so many kids transfer these days. I am familar with some situations where kids have gone to a school and then tranfered a year or two later. (1) Playing time issues have to be considered as one of the top reasons for tranfers. Believe it or not, some players don't always get all the information they need before deciding on a school & basketball program. Some get caught up in the fact they were offered a scholarship by school X, that they seriously don't consider all the other players on the current and future roster. A scholarship offer does not mean you are going to play. (2) I've mentioned this on another thread but some kids get caught up in the "name" of a school. They choose to go to school X because they play in this or that conference, or they made it to the sweet sixteen last year, etc...then they can say they play at school X. It feeds the ego. Then once they get to school X they realize that this may not be for me. So some choose a name of school and don't consider all factors. (3) Time. This kind of goes back to playing time but scholarship athletes put in time 12 months a year for their particular sport. It usually means you can't go home as much as a normal college student does. If I'm only playing a couple minutes a game, or playing in only certain games, do I want to put in all this time for that?
Just one person's opinion.

All excellent points, just another thought too. Jill Young enrolled at Creighton, for whatever reason was not happy. Some speculated, if my memory serves me right, that she was somewhat disillusioned about being at a Catholic University since she attended a (Protestant) Christian school.
I'm sure you guys can also connect the dots with Amy Kallemeyn too. I believe she went to Edgerton Christian, (Dutch background like many at NWC) and she may have had similiar feelings at a big State University that Jill Young had at Creighton. Sort a like a fish out of water. Just a thought I don't know the girl.

[bigticket1]

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I believe that Kallemeyn went to Edgerton Public.

[1stRowFANatic]

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Unless her high school coach managed to pull of somewhat of a miracle by coaching both teams at the same time, she went to Edgerton Public.

[UTH]

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I'm no big fan of teh basketballs, so I have no insight into the program. However, the issue of ladies transferring out was absolutely beaten to DEATH in a couple threads, HERE and HERE.*

Bisonville's thread about this specific transfer is HERE.

My take - like filbert said, "Life goes on..." I hope she made the right decision for herself and NDSU can move on with the new coach and players...

*warning: certain individuals, i.e. 'elephants dream', 'say what', and friends seriously had it out for coach ruley for reasons only they know
**damn i hope those threads don't get resurrected - full of dumb fail they were