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**SDSUFAN** · 02-25-2006, 04:17 AM

Re: Lady Jacks deserve a WNIT Invite!!

SDSU_WBB_Dad

Welcome aboard.

I sincerely hope we do get an invite. Your daughter has been a charm of an athlete at SDSU. I have enjoyed her entire career. � We will hold her in our memories for a long time.

Probably name recognition and the transition period to D1 stand in the way, but lets hope not.

**rabidrabbit** · 02-25-2006, 04:24 AM

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As I sit here in the warm FL sunshine, ;D I hope that Peggy and Fred have their marketing set. Frost is a fantastic arena. The fans need to pack the place for the Central St close-out game.

I was thrilled to watch the DII title game and I know that State can and would fill for a play-off game.

The Lady Jacks are a super team, and AJ has clearly shown that he's an outstanding coach. I hope that the WNIT recognizes this group, and gives them the chance to reach center stage. I believe they have the talent to go all the way.

**rabbit_man** · 02-25-2006, 06:18 AM

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posted this on the other WNIT thread as well...but here it is again....
good article on the WNIT

http://www.womensbasketballonline.com/hw/wbca/wnit.html

GO JACKS!!

**thebluehatman** · 02-25-2006, 11:14 AM

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The last game might be on the Friday of spring break but i know a group of 10 or so students that are gonna be the being loud and obnixous ;D see you friday night.

**Jacked_Up** · 02-25-2006, 11:55 AM

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The Jacks are playing like a team of destiny. If they keep it up for the last two games and a fluke of post-season rating arithmetic doesn't keep them out, they will do well in the NIT. I look forward to the extended season. The team is great fun to watch.

**filbert** · 02-25-2006, 11:58 AM

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I hope they a) get in and b) get to host a game.

**SiouxFallsJack** · 02-25-2006, 12:07 PM

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What a way for Sieler and Gilbert to end their career. Win a national championship your Freshman year and get (hopefully) an invite to the WNIT your Senior year. 8)

**HoboD** · 02-25-2006, 06:50 PM

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Anyone know what the dates are for the WNIT? The Frost is booked on March 9-11 for the State High School Girls AA. Hope thats not the first round of the WNIT

**filbert** · 02-25-2006, 06:54 PM

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Last year it started on Wed-Thu-Fri Mar. 16-18, so this year it will probably be Mar. 15-16-17.

**JBNJBQ** · 02-25-2006, 06:56 PM

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SiouxFallsJack wrote:

What a way for Sieler and Gilbert to end their career. Win a national championship your Freshman year and get (hopefully) an invite to the WNIT your Senior year.

The standard was set for those two in their freshman year. I don't think they or the rest of the team will be satisfied to just get an invite. If I'm not wrong they will expect to win the thing. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

What a standard that will be for this years freshman!

The women have had a great year regardless. �Many more will follow!

Go Jacks!

**filbert** · 02-25-2006, 07:04 PM

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Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves . . .

To get into the WNIT we'll need an RPI probably in the 70's. The reason is that there are probably ten conferences which get NCAA autobids but won't have an RPI that would put them in the top 96 (64 NCAA's and 32 NIT's). So they'll bump ten sub-64 RPI teams into the NCAA.

Then, unfortunately, you're to some extent playing a name recognition game. SDSU has won some games against some name teams, but whether that and their end-of-season streak would be enough to get them in if their RPI is floating in the high 80's is anyone's guess.

UC Riverside's Sagarin is #231 and their RPI is #252.

We need to have lots of teams above us get upset the last weekend of the year to knock down their RPIs, and we need almost all of the favorites win their conference tournaments to reduce the number of inferior teams getting autobids to the NCAA. All of that might not even be enough.

But hey, at least we're close enough to talk about it!

**filbert** · 02-25-2006, 07:45 PM

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OK, here's my rudimentary bracketology:

Based on http://www.rpiratings.com/womensrpi.html of games through last Sunday (Feb. 19):

Teams making the NCAA (65):
Rank Team
1 Tennessee SEC
2 Duke ACC
3 North Carolina ACC
4 Connecticut BE
5 LSU SEC
6 Oklahoma B12
7 Maryland ACC
8 Ohio St. B10
9 Rutgers BE
10 Baylor B12
11 Arizona St. P10
12 N.C. St. ACC
13 DePaul HL
14 Virginia Tech ACC
15 Georgia SEC
16 BYU MWC
17 Old Dominion CAA
18 Stanford P10
19 Michigan St. B10
20 Kentucky SEC
21 St. John's BE
22 Boston College ACC
23 Western Kentucky SB
24 New Mexico MWC
25 Utah MWC
26 Purdue B10
27 Chattanooga Southern
28 Florida SEC
29 South Florida BE
30 Indiana St. MVC
31 Texas A&M B12
32 Texas B12
33 Hartford AE
34 Florida St. ACC
35 Temple A10
36 Washington P10
37 Louisville BE
38 Stony Brook AE
39 Notre Dame BE
40 TCU MWC
41 Vanderbilt SEC
42 Wyoming MWC
43 Louisiana Tech WAC
44 Virginia ACC
45 UCLA P10
46 Minnesota B10
47 Bowling Green MAC
48 Villanova BE
49 Southern Cal P10
50 Indiana B10
55 Liberty Bsouth
67 Tulsa CUSA
79 Marist MAAC
80 Western Illinois MCC
83 Tennessee Tech OVC
86 Montana Bsky
88 Stephen F.Austin Sland
94 Dartmouth IVY
129 Belmont Asun
130 Bucknell PL
137 Santa Clara WCC
140 Sacred Heart NEC
141 Long Beach St. BW
161 Coppin St. MEAC
205 Southern U. SWAC

Teams making the WNIT (32):
51 Charlotte A10
52 Miami-FL ACC
53 Marquette BE
54 Geo. Washington A10
56 Cincinnati BE
57 Missouri B12
58 Xavier A10
59 Iowa B10
60 Kansas St. B12
61 Texas Tech B12
62 Pittsburgh BE
63 UNLV MWC
64 James Madison CAA
65 California P10
66 Delaware CAA
68 Saint Joseph's A10
69 Hofstra CAA
70 High Point Bsouth
71 Middle Tennessee SB
72 Iowa St. B12
73 Boston U. AE
74 Florida Int. SB
75 South Carolina SEC
76 Georgia Tech ACC
77 Nebraska B12
78 Eastern Michigan MAC
81 Arkansas St. SB
82 Mississippi SEC
84 UW-Milwaukee HL
85 Fresno St. WAC
87 Northern Iowa MVC
89 SMU CUSA

Teams on the outside looking in:
90 Auburn SEC
91 Rice CUSA
92 Evansville MVC
93 Missouri St. MVC
95 Wake Forest ACC
96 North Texas SB
97 Penn St. B10
98 Kansas B12
99 Hawaii WAC
100 UW-Green Bay HL
101 Oregon St. P10
102 William & Mary CAA
103 Texas-Arlington Sland
104 Richmond A10
105 Drake MVC
106 Arkansas SEC
107 UNC Asheville Bsouth
108 Ball St. MAC
109 Northern Arizona Bsky
110 Oregon P10
111 South Dakota St. Ind.

All we can do is win out and hope for the best . . .

**NorCalJack** · 02-25-2006, 08:11 PM

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I appreciate your analysis Filbert, but I think it is a little flawed. The ratings you are using are not adjusted for strength of schedule, margin of victory, road games etc. The ratings that the NCAA and WNIT uses in selecting their teams are based on the adjusted RPI. The adjusted RPI is not available to the general public unless someone subscribes to the service.

From what I understand the Sagarin ratings are about as close to the adjusted RPI that is available. The Sagarin ratings have us listed at No. 82, which will put us on the bubble for making the WNIT.

Also some of the teams that you listed as making the WNIT may not have winning records. Oregon, Oregon St., Auburn, Penn St. and others need to have a winning record to be considered for the WNIT. By eliminating these teams, it will increase SDSU's chances of securing a spot in the WNIT.

Any way we look at it today, we still need to win the UC Riverside game and hope for the best. The Central Ohio game is against a D-2 school and does not count toward the RPI anyway. We probably still need to win both though to give the committee something to think about.

Go State!!! ;D ;D ;D

**filbert** · 02-25-2006, 08:31 PM

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Well, I DID say it was rudimentary bracketology . . .

You know from being around a while that I'm usually one of the more optimistic posters around here . . . I'm mainly trying to make the point that we'll need help to get into the WNIT--just winning out isn't likely to do it for us. It's "necessary" but not "sufficient."

I don't think a rating in the 80's is going to do it for us. There are fourteen conferences (as of last Sunday) that don't have a team in the top 64 of the RPI, that means that fourteen high-RPI teams get bounced into the WNIT, which means that eighteen sub-64-rpi teams will make it into the WNIT. Eighteen plus 64 is 82. If the highest we're rated in any rating system is 82, then we've got big problems getting into the WNIT.

We need to get into the 70's in one or more rating systems, I think. I'm not sure how we can do that playing UC Riverside and a D-II school, unless lots of people lose games they're not supposed to lose. We're the newbie on the block, we don't have name recognition, so really, we'll have to beat the door down in order to get in, I don't think we can barely squeak in.

About the only way I see is when the selection teams look at wins in the last 10 D-I games . . . we'd be 9-1 in our last 10 if we beat Riverside. In retrospect, that loss at Brown may really, really, really come back to haunt us, as that's the game that's keeping us from finishing 10-0 vs. D-I.

A WNIT bid is not impossible, but it's a pretty high mountain to climb.

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