Oakland gdt

[jackmd]

Re: Oakland gdt

If you haven't come to the conclusion that it is highly unlikely this team will compete for a Summit League tourney championship then you aren't being honest with yourself. I see nothing based on their performance the last several games that suggests they can beat quality teams when it really matters. Now, the good news is that the Summit doesn't have many quality teams, so, there is a small chance.

My opinion, I don't want to see this team get lucky and find a 16 seed and then get crushed in the tourney. This season will almost certainly end in Sioux Falls and that's okay. Learn from it, improve, return to compete next year. I'll continue to be a fan, attending every game I can and trying not to be overly critical of 18-23 year old young women. The upper classmen on this team have had some great years and deserve praise for that, they need to help lead the younger players through the remainder of this difficult season. I look forward to seeing them do just that.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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If you haven't come to the conclusion that it is highly unlikely this team will compete for a Summit League tourney championship then you aren't being honest with yourself. I see nothing based on their performance the last several games that suggests they can beat quality teams when it really matters. Now, the good news is that the Summit doesn't have many quality teams, so, there is a small chance.

My opinion, I don't want to see this team get lucky and find a 16 seed and then get crushed in the tourney. This season will almost certainly end in Sioux Falls and that's okay. Learn from it, improve, return to compete next year. I'll continue to be a fan, attending every game I can and trying not to be overly critical of 18-23 year old young women. The upper classmen on this team have had some great years and deserve praise for that, they need to help lead the younger players through the remainder of this difficult season. I look forward to seeing them do just that.

I agree with everything you said except wanting the team to get to the tourney and play a #1 seed. Of course I want them to find a way to get hot and make it to the tourney. Your statement there made no sense to me.

As for kidding myself, this team hasn't shown me anything to say that they will compete for the title yet. If they turn it around there is a chance. You say it is small and I think it could be better than that but not likely. This season will probably end in Sioux Falls. We definitely agree on that.

C'mon Jackmd, you don't want them to win the tourney? Really? You'd rather have that zipperhead from ORU lead his team to the tourney? I'm sure you're just frustrated like the rest of us. I feel your pain!

SUPERBUNNY

[goon]

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I hope my expectations aren't too high for this team.
I'm reading things like "this team can still make the tourney" and "this team may lose out". I know the last 2 loses are tough but I wont go that far. The games were at home but they lost to the teams that are tied for 2nd in the league in overtime. In my opinion, they should have won both games. They lost by a total of 4 points(in overtime in both games) while NDSU lost to the same 2 teams by a combined 25 points. The 1st game they weren't in as good of a position to make plays but in the 2nd, they just didn't make them.
SDSU should win 4 or 5 of their next 6. They have home games against 3 teams they already beat and they only lost to Southern Utah by 1 point. I know the 1 point game scares me too with the way this team finishes games but at home it shouldn't be that close. They also play Centenary on the road. I think they still haven't won a game. The only game the "should lose" is the ORU game on the road. If I'm wrong about this, I'll eat crow but this is just how I feel.

I just don't see us winning at Oakland and its a long shot now to split going on the road at NDSU or IPFW. I see atleast 4 more losses for this team. maybe only lose 3 if we are lucky. Even winning at home over SUU is not safe.

I really think its just players not stepping up or finding their roles. If we make an extra 3 pt shot agame, and take a way a few TO, this team would be 2nd place easily. Now if only they can figure that out. They are like the mens team from the transition, always find ways to lose games instead of win them.

[jackdaniel]

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I just don't see us winning at Oakland and its a long shot now to split going on the road at NDSU or IPFW. I see atleast 4 more losses for this team. maybe only lose 3 if we are lucky. Even winning at home over SUU is not safe.

I really think its just players not stepping up or finding their roles. If we make an extra 3 pt shot agame, and take a way a few TO, this team would be 2nd place easily. Now if only they can figure that out. They are like the mens team from the transition, always find ways to lose games instead of win them.

I think Oakland,IPFW,SUU,SDSU, and NDSU are all the same caliber teams,each one can beat the other home or away.Even ORU barely won 68-66 early on against a Western Ill team.They obviously have poor games too, but never against the Jacks.
After all these years of taking losses at the hands of the Jacks, every one of these teams smell blood in the water this year and play their hardest against us and we have to learn that there are no "easy " games anymore.Show any form of weakness or stuggling like we have this year, and they all step up their efforts against us in hopes of finally getting a win.So far,we haven't matched that extra effort (going for rebounds,and especially putting their body in front of a player and keeping them from getting offensive rebounds and 2nd chances)
To get a lot of rebounds,a team has to work TOGETHER and each player goes to the nearest player and puts their back to that player and boxes out that player.If they all do that religiously (everytime)as a group ,it puts all the jacks on the inside, and all the opposition on the outside, and creates an area where only the Jacks can rebound the ball.The whole team must box out, or you don't get the whole benefit of creating this zone where only the Jacks can get the rebound.This has to be practiced over and over till it gets to be instictive everytime a player puts up a shot.

[RowdyRabbit]

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I think Oakland,IPFW,SUU,SDSU, and NDSU are all the same caliber teams,each one can beat the other home or away.Even ORU barely won 68-66 early on against a Western Ill team.They obviously have poor games too, but never against the Jacks.After all these years of taking losses at the hands of the Jacks, every one of these teams smell blood in the water this year and play their hardest against us and we have to learn that there are no "easy " games anymore.

Sitting at 8-12 (4-5) now, looking at the remaining schedule, obviously 9-0 is best case, 7-2 (L's at Oak, ORU) is possible, 6-3 (L's at Oak, ORU NDSU) is probable. I refuse to believe we'll lose another home game this season, with the remaining teams coming to Frost. (SUU, UMKC, WIU, IUPUI).

I think the women will win at Centenary and can still pull one out at IPFW.

If the women get things figured out, 6-3 is possible and puts at 14-15 (10-8).

I don't know where that may put us in the Tournament, but that's what my prognostication for the rest of the season is.

[goon]

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Sitting at 8-12 now, looking at the remaining schedule, obviously 9-0 is best case, 7-2 (L's at Oak, ORU) is possible, 6-3 (L's at Oak, ORU NDSU) is probable. I refuse to believe we'll lose another home game this season, with the remaining teams coming to Frost. (SUU, UMKC, WIU, IUPUI).

I think the women will win at Centenary and can still pull one out at IPFW.

If the women get things figured out, 6-3 is possible and puts at 14-15 (9-9).

I don't know where that may put us in the Tournament, but that's what my prognostication for the rest of the season is.

Yeah, I think both the mens and womens team will finish at 9-9 in confrence. Would not be surprised if either finishes one game up or down of .5 in league play.

[67jack]

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They both played over half the game.
I don't know if that will help this team out or not. Paluch was 3-3 on 3 pointers but other than that, they didn't hit much. They would be a combined 1-11 FG's, 0-2 3's and 0-2 FT's. They had 1 assist, 1 TO, 2 steals and 6 rebounds. The TO's, steals and rebounds aren't bad but the assists and shooting %'s aren't great. Both Paluch and Eide had shots that could have won the game. Paluch's was a tough runner but Eide's was a layup. They both are good players and will help this team but I don't know if they will turn things around or not.
Granted this was just 1 game.

Both have to get more offensive minded. Both seem too tentative..timid...offensively.

[bigticket1]

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Yeah, I think both the mens and womens team will finish at 9-9 in confrence. Would not be surprised if either finishes one game up or down of .5 in league play.

I'm much more optimistic about the men. I see them going at least 11-7 by winning the home games,plus at Centenary along with winning one of the games at NDSU,IUPUI,IPFW and ORU

[RowdyRabbit]

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I'm much more optimistic about the men. I see them going at least 11-7 by winning the home games,plus at Centenary along with winning one of the games at NDSU,IUPUI,IPFW and ORU

Likewise. 11-7, at least.

[goon]

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I'm much more optimistic about the men. I see them going at least 11-7 by winning the home games,plus at Centenary along with winning one of the games at NDSU,IUPUI,IPFW and ORU

I dont see us beating NDSU, ORU or Oak, that is 7 total losses. And we lose either at home to IUPUI or at IPFW, doubt we win both but would love too. That puts at at 8 wins. Only centenary is a given as a win, most likely Western ill, that gives us 7 wins, Would think we can win UMKC at home but thats not a given but most likely we win. They seem to be improved since we played them. the worst we could do is 8 wins, most likely 9, but 10 is a good bet, 11 seems a stretch considering we play more games on the road from this point at and a tough home game with IUPUI.

I really hope I am wrong but I am sticking to 9-9 so if they get over that I am extremely happy, less chance I get disapointed by them.

[goon]

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The women have a loss at ORU, Oakland and NDSU. Win UMKC and Centenary and its a 50/50 if they beat SUU. I can not safely guess they win that game. That means we split 3-3 if we are lucky, and most likely lose at IPFW and a win with IUPUI. The wins are not garunteed to win, but the losses I dont really see us getting a win. 9-9 almost seems to optimistic for how they are playing now.

Its sad to see how great this team did the last 4 years and what a train wreck it turned into. No doubt it will be turned in the right direction again very soon.

[RabbitObsessed]

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I dont see us beating NDSU, ORU or Oak, that is 7 total losses. And we lose either at home to IUPUI or at IPFW, doubt we win both but would love too. That puts at at 8 wins. Only centenary is a given as a win, most likely Western ill, that gives us 7 wins, Would think we can win UMKC at home but thats not a given but most likely we win. They seem to be improved since we played them. the worst we could do is 8 wins, most likely 9, but 10 is a good bet, 11 seems a stretch considering we play more games on the road from this point at and a tough home game with IUPUI.

I really hope I am wrong but I am sticking to 9-9 so if they get over that I am extremely happy, less chance I get disapointed by them.

NDSU has been bad recently and I doubt ORU shoots a billion percent from 3 again. Both of those games seem very winnable, to me.

[mitchellrabbit]

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I dont see us beating NDSU, ORU or Oak, that is 7 total losses. And we lose either at home to IUPUI or at IPFW, doubt we win both but would love too. That puts at at 8 wins. Only centenary is a given as a win, most likely Western ill, that gives us 7 wins, Would think we can win UMKC at home but thats not a given but most likely we win. They seem to be improved since we played them. the worst we could do is 8 wins, most likely 9, but 10 is a good bet, 11 seems a stretch considering we play more games on the road from this point at and a tough home game with IUPUI.

I really hope I am wrong but I am sticking to 9-9 so if they get over that I am extremely happy, less chance I get disapointed by them.

If we beat UMKC, So Utah, Centenary and W Ill, thats 9 wins. And you think we win one of the IUPUI or IPFW game. Thats 10. You say Centenary is the only given win. Well, how bout if Oakland is the only given loss? Yep, my glass is half full again. I hate when that happens.

[jacks1]

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If we beat UMKC, So Utah, Centenary and W Ill, thats 9 wins. And you think we win one of the IUPUI or IPFW game. Thats 10. You say Centenary is the only given win. Well, how bout if Oakland is the only given loss? Yep, my glass is half full again. I hate when that happens.

IUPUI is absolutely terrible. If we don't beat them at home I may go ballistic...10-8 is not out of reach if we just play a little bit better. Not a lot, just a little bit...

[goon]

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If we beat UMKC, So Utah, Centenary and W Ill, thats 9 wins. And you think we win one of the IUPUI or IPFW game. Thats 10. You say Centenary is the only given win. Well, how bout if Oakland is the only given loss? Yep, my glass is half full again. I hate when that happens.

I am not saying it couldn't happen, I wouldn't be surprised if they win more then 9 or 10, but if they struggled in lossing those games at home. I just don't see it more likely to win on the road. If we lost close on the road, I would feel better coming home to play them but they are road games, which usually are tought to win against good teams. The men could very well have learned a lot from playing those teams and figuring out how to correct the losses. I don't doubt that could happen. I just feel having more road games to end the confrence season with a young team is going to produce some good wins, (IPFW) and take some bad losses (NDSU). This team has not proven it can beat good teams consistantly to win, but when it plays well on both sides it could beat anyone in confrence IMO.