NCAA D-I Transition Sucks!

[BTownJack]

I'm going to shed a little light on how bad the D-I transition sucks in the world of men's college basketball. Even though our program is done with the transition period, I would argue hard that period ill effects still linger today.

There have been a few threads in the past that have come up over the years and reading another thread today I thought it was time to mention this again.

I'll start off with an article that was posted in Feb. 2008 that was previously posted in this thread. At the time the article was written during the 2007-2008 season, only 1 of 13 transitional schools had a men's basketball team with a winning record.

Of the 13 programs testing the Division I waters as provisional members, Central Arkansas (13-11) is the only team with a winning record this season. Most of the provisional members have lost at least twice as many games as they've won.

That quote comes from this article.

You might be wondering why I'm bringing this up again now. Well, just today someone posted a link to all the women's BB stats and I decided to take a look at the men's stats as well. I noticed a similar trend looking at this year's transitional teams:

2009-2010 (thru 12/13/09)
W L Win %
NR South Dakota 6 4 60.0
NR Seattle 5 5 50.0
NR Central Ark. 4 5 44.4
NR Winston-Salem 2 6 25.0
NR N.C. Central 2 7 22.2
NR SIU Edwardsville 2 8 20.0
NR Presbyterian 2 8 20.0
NR S.C. Upstate 1 6 14.3
NR Fla. Gulf Coast 1 6 14.3
NR Cal St. Bakersfield 1 6 14.3
NR Houston Baptist 1 8 11.1
NR North Dakota 1 10 9.1
NR Bryant 0 10 0.0

NOTE: USD is actually the only D-I school with a winning record so far this year but we all know the kind of cupcakes they've played this year. I'm willing to bet no teams finish with a winning record this year. I will make sure to repost the final win-loss standings at the end of the year.

2008-2009
W L Win %
NR Presbyterian 12 17 41.4
NR Fla. Gulf Coast 11 20 35.5
NR Central Ark. 10 19 34.5
NR S.C. Upstate 9 21 30.0
NR Bryant 8 21 27.6
NR Cal St. Bakersfield 8 21 27.6
NR North Florida 8 22 26.7
NR Kennesaw St. 7 22 24.1
NR N.C. Central 4 27 12.9

2007-2008
W L Win %
NR North Dakota St. 16 13 55.2
NR Central Ark. 14 16 46.7
NR Winston-Salem 12 18 40.0
NR Kennesaw St. 10 20 33.3
NR Fla. Gulf Coast 10 21 32.3
NR South Dakota St. 8 21 27.6
NR Cal St. Bakersfield 8 21 27.6
NR S.C. Upstate 7 23 23.3
NR Presbyterian 5 25 16.7
NR N.C. Central 4 26 13.3
NR North Florida 3 26 10.3

2006-2007
W L Win %
NR North Dakota St. 20 8 71.4
NR Kennesaw St. 13 18 41.9
NR Central Ark. 10 20 33.3
NR Longwood 9 22 29.0
NR South Dakota St. 6 24 20.0
NR UC Davis 5 23 17.9
NR NJIT 5 24 17.2
NR Northern Colo. 4 24 14.3


This information comes from the NCAA Stats Website. (Sorry for the formatting, the fan board software doesn't wanna let me space things out)

So in 4 seasons it is looking like 2 teams (NDSU - 2007-2008 & 2006-2007) is going to finish the year with a winning record.

Chew on that. Our men's BB teams isn't as bad off as some people make it out to be! Time will tell but I'm confident for the future.

[filbert]

Re: NCAA D-I Transition Sucks!

NOTE: USD is actually the only D-I school with a winning record so far this year but we all know the kind of cupcakes they've played this year. I'm willing to bet no teams finish with a winning record this year. I will make sure to repost the final win-loss standings at the end of the year.

I will quibble with you to this extent:

Given the schedule of Ho-Hos and Ding-Dongs that USD gets to play in the GWC, if they don't finish with a solid record well over .500, and possibly threatening to put up another 20-win season (ref. Pomeroy), Boots should be not only fired but flayed, broiled lightly on both sides and served with a nice chianti and a side of au gratin potatoes.

[BTownJack]

Re: NCAA D-I Transition Sucks!

I will quibble with you to this extent:

Given the schedule of Ho-Hos and Ding-Dongs that USD gets to play in the GWC, if they don't finish with a solid record well over .500, and possibly threatening to put up another 20-win season (ref. Pomeroy), Boots should be not only fired but flayed, broiled lightly on both sides and served with a nice chianti and a side of au gratin potatoes.

Filbert...is that smack on a non-smack thread??? How dare you ;-)

[filbert]

Re: NCAA D-I Transition Sucks!

Filbert...is that smack on a non-smack thread??? How dare you ;-)

Well . . . yeah . . . kinda . . . but it was double-reverse-smack, if you see what I did there. I did the old "raise the expectations" thing, by saying "of course, USD will have a winning record, I mean, who wouldn't?"

I had a weak moment, and will in penance go over to my corner. And drink my Guinness. And pout a bit. Will that help?

[SUPERBUNNY]

Re: NCAA D-I Transition Sucks!

BTownJack, thanks for that post.

I've been arguing that fact all along but you just put meat behind the argument. Those numbers are actually worse than I suspected. They should be eye opening to all of us. The challenge in MBB is worse than any other sport.

It is frustrating when you are used to a winning program. Some of those programs may not have been succesful at the D2 level but I'm sure some were. It just takes time.

The young talent that has come in this year (Wolters, White, Fiegen, Radar, and Carlson) hold some real promise for the future along with the commits we have. Nagy will lead them out of it, I have no doubt about that. They have my support.

GB, GB, GJ!

SUPERBUNNY

[propar80]

Re: NCAA D-I Transition Sucks!

I'm going to shed a little light on how bad the D-I transition sucks in the world of men's college basketball. Even though our program is done with the transition period, I would argue hard that period ill effects still linger today.

There have been a few threads in the past that have come up over the years and reading another thread today I thought it was time to mention this again.

I'll start off with an article that was posted in Feb. 2008 that was previously posted in this thread. At the time the article was written during the 2007-2008 season, only 1 of 13 transitional schools had a men's basketball team with a winning record.



That quote comes from this article.

You might be wondering why I'm bringing this up again now. Well, just today someone posted a link to all the women's BB stats and I decided to take a look at the men's stats as well. I noticed a similar trend looking at this year's transitional teams:

2009-2010 (thru 12/13/09)
W L Win %
NR South Dakota 6 4 60.0
NR Seattle 5 5 50.0
NR Central Ark. 4 5 44.4
NR Winston-Salem 2 6 25.0
NR N.C. Central 2 7 22.2
NR SIU Edwardsville 2 8 20.0
NR Presbyterian 2 8 20.0
NR S.C. Upstate 1 6 14.3
NR Fla. Gulf Coast 1 6 14.3
NR Cal St. Bakersfield 1 6 14.3
NR Houston Baptist 1 8 11.1
NR North Dakota 1 10 9.1
NR Bryant 0 10 0.0

NOTE: USD is actually the only D-I school with a winning record so far this year but we all know the kind of cupcakes they've played this year. I'm willing to bet no teams finish with a winning record this year. I will make sure to repost the final win-loss standings at the end of the year.

2008-2009
W L Win %
NR Presbyterian 12 17 41.4
NR Fla. Gulf Coast 11 20 35.5
NR Central Ark. 10 19 34.5
NR S.C. Upstate 9 21 30.0
NR Bryant 8 21 27.6
NR Cal St. Bakersfield 8 21 27.6
NR North Florida 8 22 26.7
NR Kennesaw St. 7 22 24.1
NR N.C. Central 4 27 12.9

2007-2008
W L Win %
NR North Dakota St. 16 13 55.2
NR Central Ark. 14 16 46.7
NR Winston-Salem 12 18 40.0
NR Kennesaw St. 10 20 33.3
NR Fla. Gulf Coast 10 21 32.3
NR South Dakota St. 8 21 27.6
NR Cal St. Bakersfield 8 21 27.6
NR S.C. Upstate 7 23 23.3
NR Presbyterian 5 25 16.7
NR N.C. Central 4 26 13.3
NR North Florida 3 26 10.3

2006-2007
W L Win %
NR North Dakota St. 20 8 71.4
NR Kennesaw St. 13 18 41.9
NR Central Ark. 10 20 33.3
NR Longwood 9 22 29.0
NR South Dakota St. 6 24 20.0
NR UC Davis 5 23 17.9
NR NJIT 5 24 17.2
NR Northern Colo. 4 24 14.3


This information comes from the NCAA Stats Website. (Sorry for the formatting, the fan board software doesn't wanna let me space things out)

So in 4 seasons it is looking like 2 teams (NDSU - 2007-2008 & 2006-2007) is going to finish the year with a winning record.

Chew on that. Our men's BB teams isn't as bad off as some people make it out to be! Time will tell but I'm confident for the future.

I would bet that if you took out all of the sub D-1 games that all of these programs played, it would look even worse...a lot worse.

Example...USD is 2-5 against D-1 opponents this year. TexasA&M-Corpus Cristi/Binghamton(which I'm just assuming is d-1).

Go Jacks!!

[UWMandSDSU]

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Example...USD is 2-5 against D-1 opponents this year. TexasA&M-Corpus Cristi/Binghamton(which I'm just assuming is d-1).

Binghamton is Div I and they were in the Big Dance last year, but during the off-season came under fire during the off-season due to some bad behavior from some of their players.

[jackrabit1]

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I will quibble with you to this extent:

Given the schedule of Ho-Hos and Ding-Dongs that USD gets to play in the GWC, if they don't finish with a solid record well over .500, and possibly threatening to put up another 20-win season (ref. Pomeroy), Boots should be not only fired but flayed, broiled lightly on both sides and served with a nice chianti and a side of au gratin potatoes.

Don't forget the Fava beans! *slurp*

[Chains]

Re: NCAA D-I Transition Sucks!

I'm going to shed a little light on how bad the D-I transition sucks in the world of men's college basketball. Even though our program is done with the transition period, I would argue hard that period ill effects still linger today.

There have been a few threads in the past that have come up over the years and reading another thread today I thought it was time to mention this again.

I'll start off with an article that was posted in Feb. 2008 that was previously posted in this thread. At the time the article was written during the 2007-2008 season, only 1 of 13 transitional schools had a men's basketball team with a winning record.



That quote comes from this article.

You might be wondering why I'm bringing this up again now. Well, just today someone posted a link to all the women's BB stats and I decided to take a look at the men's stats as well. I noticed a similar trend looking at this year's transitional teams:

2009-2010 (thru 12/13/09)
W L Win %
NR South Dakota 6 4 60.0
NR Seattle 5 5 50.0
NR Central Ark. 4 5 44.4
NR Winston-Salem 2 6 25.0
NR N.C. Central 2 7 22.2
NR SIU Edwardsville 2 8 20.0
NR Presbyterian 2 8 20.0
NR S.C. Upstate 1 6 14.3
NR Fla. Gulf Coast 1 6 14.3
NR Cal St. Bakersfield 1 6 14.3
NR Houston Baptist 1 8 11.1
NR North Dakota 1 10 9.1
NR Bryant 0 10 0.0

NOTE: USD is actually the only D-I school with a winning record so far this year but we all know the kind of cupcakes they've played this year. I'm willing to bet no teams finish with a winning record this year. I will make sure to repost the final win-loss standings at the end of the year.

2008-2009
W L Win %
NR Presbyterian 12 17 41.4
NR Fla. Gulf Coast 11 20 35.5
NR Central Ark. 10 19 34.5
NR S.C. Upstate 9 21 30.0
NR Bryant 8 21 27.6
NR Cal St. Bakersfield 8 21 27.6
NR North Florida 8 22 26.7
NR Kennesaw St. 7 22 24.1
NR N.C. Central 4 27 12.9

2007-2008
W L Win %
NR North Dakota St. 16 13 55.2
NR Central Ark. 14 16 46.7
NR Winston-Salem 12 18 40.0
NR Kennesaw St. 10 20 33.3
NR Fla. Gulf Coast 10 21 32.3
NR South Dakota St. 8 21 27.6
NR Cal St. Bakersfield 8 21 27.6
NR S.C. Upstate 7 23 23.3
NR Presbyterian 5 25 16.7
NR N.C. Central 4 26 13.3
NR North Florida 3 26 10.3

2006-2007
W L Win %
NR North Dakota St. 20 8 71.4
NR Kennesaw St. 13 18 41.9
NR Central Ark. 10 20 33.3
NR Longwood 9 22 29.0
NR South Dakota St. 6 24 20.0
NR UC Davis 5 23 17.9
NR NJIT 5 24 17.2
NR Northern Colo. 4 24 14.3


This information comes from the NCAA Stats Website. (Sorry for the formatting, the fan board software doesn't wanna let me space things out)

So in 4 seasons it is looking like 2 teams (NDSU - 2007-2008 & 2006-2007) is going to finish the year with a winning record.

Chew on that. Our men's BB teams isn't as bad off as some people make it out to be! Time will tell but I'm confident for the future.

I've read the following on this board before and believe it to be very true. If you think the transition period is tough - just wait for the following 5 years.

During transition there a very few expectations. The following five years expectations increase and their is little forgiveness for failure.

Men's BB is the most difficult to compete in. Help is already here and more coming. Rock Valley 85 - George - Little Rock 47. Heemstra 32 points and Dykstra 22 points. Hurry up boys we need some help.

GBGBGJ