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  • Attendance Up- Argus Story 1/11/2005

    http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs...601120352/1002



    Attendance up, but SDSU still struggling to fill Frost
    Arena nearly 2,000 short of D-II mark



    Chris Solari
    csolari@argusleader.com

    Article Published: 01/12/06, 2:55 am

    part one


    The seats encircling Frost Arena remain decidedly empty for Division I basketball games.

    Attendance is still markedly lower than in the South Dakota State's Division II heyday. But a slight increase from last season's totals keeps Athletic Director Fred Oien optimistic.

    "If you look at our numbers, I think we're fairly pleased with it," Oien said. "We've had some contests without students there, but that's just the nature of scheduling right now. Now that people see the quality of basketball coming into (Frost) Arena, there's no doubt they like it."

    Through the first eight games this season, the Jackrabbit men are averaging 1,858 fans, including the Dec. 20 game against Manhattan at Sioux Falls Arena. SDSU's women are up to 1,528 fans through five games.

    Last season, the Jackrabbits' first competing in Division I, the men averaged 1,617 fans to 11 games at Frost. The women drew 1,473 a game to their 11 home contests, as both teams played nothing but sub-D-I teams at Frost.

    Still, those overall totals pale in comparison to Division II attendance at Frost Arena, which seats about 8,000 fans. The Jackrabbit men averaged 3,770 and the women 2,399 in the four years prior to the move to Division I. Those totals were bolstered by traditionally strong crowds for games against the University of South Dakota, Augustana and Northern State -- usually between 5-6,000 fans would be there for the second game of the men's-women's doubleheaders.

    "You can't live on three games a year," Oien said. "If (fans) only came to USD games and Augie games, they'll say our crowds (now) are terrible. But they tend to forget that when we'd play some other teams in the league or non-conference games just how low crowds were."

    Jackrabbit men's basketball averaged 3,752 fans a game between 1973 and 2004, the last year in D-II. Athletic department officials have expressed a hope throughout SDSU's transition to Division I that the higher level of competition will eventually draw big numbers more frequently.

    The largest crowds last season were for the North Dakota State games - 4,739 fans for the women and 4,281 for the men for games held a week apart. The two schools, both in the transition to Division I, will meet Feb. 18 in SDSU's lone doubleheader at Frost this year.

    Brookings resident Dave Quam said he feels the crowds aren't bad considering the transition and the shift away from doubleheaders. He likes the new level of competition coming to Frost.

    "We're not going to have the big ones we had in the past, but I think we'll be OK," said Quam, who attends games with his wife Shar. "You used to get the women playing at 6 (p.m.) and the men at 8, and some people would come to just watch the women play and some just to watch the men.

    "Now, you just have the women play one night and the men play a different night. We just make our schedules fit around it."

    In some ways, the Division II totals were a bit misleading since many fans were double-counted by being in the stands for both games in the old doubleheader format, paying for just one ticket. Division I schools do not play the men's and women's games back-to-back and charge separate admission to each game.

    "I don't think there is any objective way to analyze it because we don't have any comparative figures with single competitions," Oien said.



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    Re: Attendance Up- Argus Story 1/11/2005

    http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs...601120352/1002


    Attendance up, but SDSU still struggling to fill Frost
    Arena nearly 2,000 short of D-II mark



    Chris Solari
    csolari@argusleader.com

    Article Published: 01/12/06, 2:55 am

    part two

    NDSU is averaging 1,936 through six men's games and 1,610 through four women's games this season. The Jackrabbit men play Saturday in Fargo.

    A few of the players who are Division II holdovers, like junior Ben Beran, have said the Frost fans have been very vocal the last two years, but nowhere near some of the larger crowds they've entertained in their first few seasons at SDSU. On Jan. 9, 2004, his freshman season, Beran played in front of 8,489 fans when the Jackrabbits defeated the University of South Dakota 92-79.

    And that was only the 15th-largest crowd ever at Frost. But the nearly 33-year old arena -- one of the most feared places to play in Division II -- has had its mystique damaged with the transition to D-I. The Jacks, who hold a 382-96 all-time record on the Frost court, are just 2-5 there this year and 8-10 over the last two seasons.

    "There are good teams coming in here. But number one, we're not competing," said 11th-year coach Scott Nagy, who was 125-15 in games at Frost in his first nine seasons. "If you're a fan, you at least like to go to a game and feel like your team has a chance. As a program, I don't think we're giving our fans that chance."

    Oien said in early February 2005 that this season's women's game with Alabama and the men's game against Butler would draw bigger attendance because of name recognition. "The perception of what's going to happen at the game creates more fan interest," he said.

    That didn't happen. A little less than 2,000 fans came to the SDSU-Butler men's game on Dec. 28, while only 1,433 showed up for the SDSU-Alabama women's game on Dec. 18.

    Heather Sieler, a senior who was part of the Jacks' 2003-04 D-II national title team, said the fans at women's games remain as boisterous as ever despite dwindling numbers over the last few years.

    "Yeah, it has been down a little since we played in the NCC games," said Sieler, whose team improved to 9-6 on Tuesday with a home win over Kennesaw State (Ga.). "The numbers are down, but our crowds are still really good. ... Even though we don't have as many, we still have good fans."

    A member of SDSU's football conference is a year ahead of SDSU in the transition to D-I and suffering similar ups and downs with its basketball attendance.

    Through five games this year, former Division II hoops power California Davis is averaging just 1,942 fans for men's basketball. However, a home game against Stanford brought 5,386 into the Aggies' 7,100-seat Pavillion. UC Davis stunned the Cardinal 64-58, but only 875 fans showed up six days later for the Aggies' loss to Idaho State.

    Larry Swanson, the UC Davis associate athletic director for external affairs, said the Aggies used to average better than 3,000 fans for conference games while still in Division II. They will join the D-I Big West Conference in 2007-08 and are playing as an independent until then.

    Swanson said he expects men's ticket sales to be up about 10 percent this year since UC Davis is playing a non-counting league schedule against Big West teams to get fans and players acclimated to the new league.

    "It's definitely an optimistic sign for us," he said. "Depending on how competitive we are, it could be a dramatic increase."

    The Jackrabbits, still without a conference for basketball, will not be eligible for NCAA Tournament play until the 2008-09 season, though basketball coaches have said they plan on scheduling home-and-home series with other independent Division I programs beginning next January to create a pseudo-conference setup.

    With most D-I schools heading into conference play, SDSU's men played their only home game of the month Saturday night against Utah Valley State, and the women play at Frost just three times in January.

    Oien said since this is SDSU's first season of playing a full D-I schedule, it will be the most difficult to get home games when students are in session. The Jacks played a men's game on Thanksgiving Day and two games after semester break, while the women had two contests right after finals. Oien said student turnout has still been "strong."

    "At this stage in the transition, we understand that we're at the mercy and willingness of the schools to play us," Oien said. "For them to come in, we have to accommodate what their time schedule is going to be."

    Reach Chris Solari at 977-3923.


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    • #3
      Re: Attendance Up- Argus Story 1/11/2005

      Originally posted by JBNJBQ

      The largest crowds last season were for the North Dakota State games - 4,739 fans for the women and 4,281 for the men for games held a week apart. The two schools, both in the transition to Division I, will meet Feb. 18 in SDSU's lone doubleheader at Frost this year.



      Not true, there are no double headers according to Gojacks.com as the women's game on the 18th is in Fargo.



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      • #4
        Re: Attendance Up- Argus Story 1/11/2005

        Originally posted by JBNJBQ
        The Jackrabbits, still without a conference for basketball, will not be eligible for NCAA Tournament play until the 2008-09 season, though basketball coaches have said they plan on scheduling home-and-home series with other independent Division I programs beginning next January to create a pseudo-conference setup.

        This confirms that it is at least in the works.

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        • #5
          Re: Attendance Up- Argus Story 1/11/2005

          I think Solari could have done a better job at doing some number crunching that has been done here and shown that at least the overall attendance is close.

          It's still using the lost rivalry excuse to tarnish the DI move.

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          • #6
            Re: Attendance Up- Argus Story 1/11/2005

            You have to remember that last year's attendance average does include the NDSU game. We have not played NDSU this year and if we can get 4,500 people again, then our average for this year will look a lot better than last year.
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