North Dakota State

[jackmd]

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I think this game while dissapointing, embarrasing and whatever else you want to call it is just one game. Let's face it NDSU is not 30 points better than the Jacks. They played a great game and we played horrible. I think we will even the series next month. If you add Holdren,Jones and Green to the Jacks we win this game. I think next year Cam Hornby will give Woodside all he wants as I think he has the quickness to play with him. Things will equal out a bit next year with us adding our own four redshirts to the squad. I like Miles as a coach, but will put my money on Nagy over the long haul.      

Agree with II.

This game is a reflection on the way things have gone right for NDSU (signing young players with DI talent and redshirting them) and things have gone wrong for SDSU (scholarships blown on JUCO busts and marginal DII players while losing our best talent to injury or transfers) during this transition period. If your not disappointed, embarassed and a little angry about the result of this game then I have to question if your're a true Jackrabbit fan. I will always expect more out of SDSU teams than we got last night. That said, it is only one game and that is what it is.

[jackmd]

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If you've seen this team play this year, this is no suprise.  They can stink it up in a hurry.  WHO can score for this team on a consistent basis??  I'm sorry, but our beloved RABBITS our not very good.

Very honest opinion stated in a clear way.

[jackmd]

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Kleinjan brings absolutely nothing, and I mean absolutely, absolutley, absolutely nothing to this team.  If you want someone to take up space, maybe make a pass to the wing or the top of the key, Andys your man.  If you want someone who is a threat to score, look elsewhere.  I would rather see Frias play over Kleinjan anytime.  Sure he is guilty of making turnovers,  but he can penetrate and possibly a threat to score.

And he takes up a scholarship.

[SDSUFAN]

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Agree with II.

This game is a reflection on the way things have gone right for NDSU (signing young players with DI talent and redshirting them) and things have gone wrong for SDSU (scholarships blown on JUCO busts and marginal DII players while losing our best talent to injury or transfers) during this transition period.  If your not disappointed, embarassed and a little angry about the result of this game then I have to question if your're a true Jackrabbit fan.  I will always expect more out of SDSU teams than we got last night.  That said, it is only one game and that is what it is.

Does insomia count? I must admit with a crowded icey parking lot, I left the game early. The game was not a nail biter exactly.

It was indeed embarrassing. Time to regroup. As far as janking scholarships, I going to leave that to coaches to make those decisions.

I think our redshirt freshman will add to our roster next year. We still have three years to finish in the reclassification, so I expect a few more lumps and bruises along the way. ;D

[RodentiaX]

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I agree that NDSU may be a better team, but not 30 points better. Sometimes the wheels just fall off the wagon in a game.

[JACKRP]

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I have mentioned this before that I would rather have an "open scholarship" than to offer a scholarhip to a young man who cannot compete at the Division I level. Cannot compete may be for athletic reasons, personal reasons, or motivational work ethic reasons etc. I also believe that coach Nagy needed to learn exactly what "this level" truly means. He is learning the hard way. Everyone of his post game comments apoligizes for some action or aspect of his coaching staff or himself. So now the question is "Do you pull someones scholarship?" I am quite sure that Coach Nagy and a few of his current players will have a long chat after the season. The time will come(not this year by any means) when Coach will have to become a little concerned about job security.
Go Jacks!!!

[Da_Bizon]

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A thread on this game is running strong over on bisonville....

http://www.bisonville.com/cgi-bin/ya...564735;start=0

Poor Bison fans, they actually think they have a chance :

You must be a stand-up comedian or something.

[FargoBison]

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I think this game while dissapointing, embarrasing and whatever else you want to call it is just one game. Let's face it NDSU is not 30 points better than the Jacks. They played a great game and we played horrible. I think we will even the series next month. If you add Holdren,Jones and Green to the Jacks we win this game. I think next year Cam Hornby will give Woodside all he wants as I think he has the quickness to play with him. Things will equal out a bit next year with us adding our own four redshirts to the squad. I like Miles as a coach, but will put my money on Nagy over the long haul.      

I doubt NDSU is 30 points better then the Jacks but from what I saw there is a big difference in the level of talent and depth that each team had. And I don't think you win if Green, Holdren, and Jones are still with this team, it would be a close game that either team would have a chance at winning. The JACKS lost by 30 points and it could have been worse, really I don't see how you can just atomatically assume that the Jacks would beat the Bison if they had some of the players they lost and that the Jacks will beat the Bison for sure next month.

Also Woodside is a great talent and he has played well against some solid teams so I wouldn't be so optimistic that a freshman is going to be the answer at stopping him. Things may equal out next year or they may not you have to remember that NDSU has yet another soild class of recruits who redshirted this year and will be foaming at the mouth to play next year.

As for Nagy and Miles, they are both great coaches. I think Miles was a great choice for NDSU because he has taken programs that were historically not good and turned them into great programs(Mayville and Southwest MN St). And it looks as if he is well on his way of taking an average DII program and turing it into a soild DI Mid-Major program. I wish SDSU good luck in their future games(expect the NDSU game) and hopefully I will be able to make it down to Frost for the mens game next month.

[SoDak]

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It seems to me that over and over, what this team does is foul too much, turn the ball over too much, miss too many free throws, and offer very lackluster perimeter defense. These are things that well-coached kids don't do. If I look to teams at the DI level in the past, what comes to mind is Pete Carril (sp). He never, or very rarely, had the best athletes on the floor, but his kids made their free throws, passed VERY well, played solid defense, and didn't foul much unless they were facing an overwhelming big-man. And they won an awful lot of games, many of which they shouldn't have on paper. If you don't have the best athletes on the floor, they ought to at least be damned good at executing.

[JACKGUYII]

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I doubt NDSU is 30 points better then the Jacks but from what I saw there is a big difference in the level of talent and depth that each team had. And I don't think you win if Green, Holdren, and Jones are still with this team, it would be a close game that either team would have a chance at winning. The JACKS lost by 30 points and it could have been worse, really I don't see how you can just atomatically assume that the Jacks would beat the Bison if they had some of the players they lost and that the Jacks will beat the Bison for sure next month.

Also Woodside is a great talent and he has played well against some solid teams so I wouldn't be so optimistic that a freshman is going to be the answer at stopping him. Things may equal out next year or they may not you have to remember that NDSU has yet another soild class of recruits who redshirted this year and will be foaming at the mouth to play next year.

As for Nagy and Miles, they are both great coaches. I think Miles was a great choice for NDSU because he has taken programs that were historically not good and turned them into great programs(Mayville and Southwest MN St). And it looks as if he is well on his way of taking an average DII program and turing it into a soild DI Mid-Major program. I wish SDSU good luck in their future games(expect the NDSU game) and hopefully I will be able to make it down to Frost for the mens game next month.

I know it's easy to say what if. If you don't think Holdren, Green and Jones wouldn't have made a difference than you don't know those players. In last years finale at Fargo Holdren had 19 points and 10 rebounds and Green 18 points and 12 rebounds in a Jacks win. Scott Nagy has called Matt Jones the best talent he has ever coached and I think he would have been broken many records before he was done. In his freshman season (his only full season) he had 31 points and 26 points against the Bison. There is nobody on the current Bison team who could stop Matt Jones. Congratulations on the win. The Jacks will be back in due time!

[SDSUFAN]

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I agree that NDSU may be a better team, but not 30 points better. Sometimes the wheels just fall off the wagon in a game.

I believe this comment to be the most accurate that has been posted so far. The wheels did fall off, and our differences at guard positions seem very clear. I dont know what coach could have done to put the wheels back on, but his recent changing defensive schemes probably tell the story.

Coach Nagy is not going to apologize for something he did not do wrong, in this case he apologized in the post game show interview on WNAX. So something on D was not working as planned and the wheels do fall off when that happens. NDSU got some very good picks and also they passed the ball more and the person shooting the threes, be it Woodside, Nelson, Hahn or others were had all day to look at the basket.

Coach also mentioned that you dont win games when the opponent is shooting 50 per cent or more. I am sure they are trying to regroup in this area. I guess they do have to move on and not dwell on the NDSU loss.

Another thing, is that the red shirt freshmen at NDSU are enjoying their first season playing. Its fun to make the plays etc.  Give them another grueling season or two and you will see these guys slowing down in all that they have shown so far. Its happen at SDSU and it will happen at NDSU.  Coach Nagy has made a similar observation, but not that was before the NDSU game I believe.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I wasn’t able to attend the game, but listened on the radio. Wow. Something, a lot of things, definitely went wrong. :-[

[JBB123]

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I didnt see it either but was surprised by the score. Nobody predicted it. Since the move both programs have found themselves down like this in every sport at least from time to time. It was a tough night for the Jacks. I guess we will see you again in Brookings. Until then good luck to both teams.

[FargoBison]

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I know it's easy to say what if. If you don't think Holdren, Green and Jones wouldn't have made a difference than you don't know those players. In last years finale at Fargo Holdren had 19 points and 10 rebounds and Green 18 points and 12 rebounds in a Jacks win. Scott Nagy has called Matt Jones the best talent he has ever coached and I think he would have been broken many records before he was done. In his freshman season (his only full season) he had 31 points and 26 points against the Bison.  There is nobody on the current Bison team who could stop Matt Jones. Congratulations on the win. The Jacks will be back in  due time!  

I'm sure those guys were all good players but they all racked up those numbers against Bison teams of the past few years and really all of those teams don't have the talent that the Bison have this year. Miles has the Bison playing better then I have probably ever seen, they play great team ball and any Bison starter can carry the team on any given night.

Matt Jones may have been a great player but I guess we'll never know how great. But comparing how he played agaisnst past Bison teams is really not going to help you win this arguement because the core of this Bison team played their first game against the Jacks last Saturday night. But I do think you are right about one thing and that is the Jacks will be back, great coaches like Nagy aren't down for too long. Good luck on the rest of the season except for Feb 18th .

[silkamilkamonico]

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Another thing, is that the red shirt freshmen at NDSU are enjoying their first season playing. Its fun to make the plays etc.  Give them another grueling season or two and you will see these guys slowing down in all that they have shown so far. Its happen at SDSU and it will happen at NDSU.  

IMHO, this is a pretty ignorant comment.

Like it or not, NDSU has struggled in moments. Woodside has been in a slump for a good portion of the season, and the team has turned the ball over way too much like young teams do. NDSU might finish with similiar records due to tougher competition, but c'mon. The only reason SDSU has "slowed down" is because of injuries, and that's a fact.

I have all the respect in the world for SDSU's program, and as an NDSU fan am not in a position to talk about your recent struggles, because NDSU has usually always struggled.

But some of you SDSU fans still don't respect NDSU, and it's apparent in some of the comments.

"noone can stop Matt Jones but SDSU will have a freshman next year that can stop Ben Woodside."

Are you serious? Woodside has been called a legit division 1 guard from opposing coaches including the UofM coach and he's only a freshman, and all of a sudden next year when things are fine and dandy in SDSU land, and you guys are healthy, you're going to have a freshman stop him from SDSU? whatever.....good luck with that one.

"NDSU will slow down next year after playing a grueling season"

Right, because all freshman come into the program playing their absolute best right away and then regressing after that.



This is my take on SDSU this year:

A very young team that has faced a difficult schedule and a heck of a lot of adversity due to injuries, and that's it. Honestly, I will expect you guys to struggle the rest of the year because you're young, inexperienced, and not healthy. Next year will come along, and you guys will be just fine, and having the kind of season that SDSU's fans and athletes expect. Count on it. I can accept that. Can you?

And btw, lurking on these boards, some of you fans are extremely intelligent, understand the adversity your team is facing, and respectful to other programs. Other fans, and these are the ones I'm talking to, have to face the fact, and admit it:

NDSU has a very good coach, some amazing young players, and is starting to open eyes to the future recruits to keep the strong ones coming, and that's a fact. NDSU is not better, or worse then SDSU in any way. They there own program just like SDSU and like it or not, but NDSU will be moving along in the right direction along with SDSU as the transition into D-1 becomes full circle.

Deal with it.

See Yuz.