Last scholarship???

[EQguy]

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in which case they can request a medical redshirt if they have already used their traditional redshirt!

Just one quick point here Kemo. The medical redshirt is closing in on a thing of the past. They are next to impossible to get at this level.

[Kemo]

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Nothing is stated you can only use your redshirt your freshman year. Sure it seems the most logical, but it isn't a law.

You're right in the fact that you can redshirt a player beyond their freshman year if they have not used it, but it's not a particularly good idea. The reason for this is the redshirt year right out of high school is there to create a smoother transition to the next level both physically and mentally, which helps reduce the "on the court" growing pains for the player and the team. If the player has already played an entire college season, are they going to benefit as much from sitting out a year not playing?... I personally think "no" in most cases. I don't feel MacKenzie Casey benefitted from redshirting later in his career from a production stand point, as the benefit there was he had a chance to compete for an NCAA Tournament bid and the team could spread its scholarships out a little more. Also, it's much harder to convince a player they should sit out a year after they have already played a full college season, unless of course there is an offseason injury, in which case they can request a medical redshirt if they have already used their traditional redshirt!

I just want to clarify that I'm not saying Fiegen or White aren't ready to play right away, as I don't believe one can make an accurate judgment till they are evaluted playing against other college players in offseason workouts. I just feel it is a waste of valuable development time to not redshirt a player who isn't going to get a respectable amount of playing time, which could effect their overall physical development and mental psyche.

[TeaJackrabbit]

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Coach Nagy said two weeks ago that both Fiegen and White are "going to play a lot of minutes for us next year." Seems pretty clear to me that Coach Nagy thinks they're both ready to contribute right away.

Well that works for me. From what I saw from Fiegen at the HS level, he wasn't ready to log alot of productive minutes at the D1 level, but how can little ol me argue w/ Coach? I hope he puts more emphasis into rebounding.

I guess if we don't go out and try hard to land another big then we can say that Coach is satisfied with what he has. It's a no-brainer he knows more about players development and health than we do.

AC and Davis are a pretty solid duo in the paint. If Engen and Fiegen bust their tails this summer they could be capable backups. And Cassaday could be a pretty tough-nosed undersized guy against alot of lowr-level D1 schools.

[Jacked_Up]

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Brandon DeBoer, 6-6 junior forward, is on the roster too. I don't know what his status was this past season. Redshirt? Injury? Practice player? DeBoer is similar in height and body type to Kai Williams, and seems to get around the court pretty well. Cassaday, also 6-6, reminds me of Michael Loney from last year's squad. A battler. Anyway, I agree with SF. If Davis is healthy and newcomers like Pederson and Fiegen contribute, the Jacks should have a pretty good mix of bigs. Getting depth at point guard might be a bigger issue.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I think come next Midnight Madness, lots of folks will be surprised to learn that Fiegen is not much bigger (if bigger at all) than Cassaday, Pederson, or even Rader. Cassaday has the potential to play bigger than his 6'6" body, and Pederson is a pretty long 6'8".

IMO, if Cassaday and Pederson can contribute and Davis is healthy, our "bigs" will be on par with most mid majors and the Summit League competition. With AC, we could be better than many mid majors and most of our conference mates.

Filling the 4-5 spot next year:

Davis
Cordova
Williams
Engen
Cassaday
Pederson
Fiegen
Rader

By my count, that's 8 (7 if you count Rader as a G/F) guys to fill 2 floor positions. Not bad, IMO.

[JimmyJack]

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I don't think Fiegen is ready. I think he needs a year of strength and conditioning.

White could probably help, but is he better than Griffin Cal, Rader or even Cassaday right now?

Coach Nagy said two weeks ago that both Fiegen and White are "going to play a lot of minutes for us next year." Seems pretty clear to me that Coach Nagy thinks they're both ready to contribute right away.

[TeaJackrabbit]

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I don't think Fiegen is ready. I think he needs a year of strength and conditioning.

White could probably help, but is he better than Griffin Cal, Rader or even Cassaday right now?

Next years group badly needs a big, even if Davis plays. If Davis does not play then two bigs are needed (maybe then Fiegen will be pushed into playing right away). Outside of that the depth looks pretty decent with Moss (PG), Sargent(SG), GriffCall(SG/SF), Cassaday(SF/PF), Rader(SG/SF)on the bench.

[bub94]

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Nothing is stated you can only use your redshirt your freshman year. Sure it seems the most logical, but it isn't a law. I don't see either Chad or Tony redshirting. I believe Carlson's dad said his son was redshirting next year. Chad and Tony will get enough minutes so they won't be redshirting.

[joeboo22]

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Would anyone agrue that Dale Moss should have redshirted? We have not had that luxery to reshirt players but now we do and if you are a Freshman and not in the 8 man rotatation getting solid minutes like 15 to 18 you should ask to redshirt!

Tony Feigen and Chad White are good enough to play right now, Moss probably should of redshirted but more because he could have used a red shirt.... I don't think that Feigen and White need a redshirt unless something happens (injury)...

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It would also be a disservice to the freshman if they don't take a redshirt and only play 5 to 10 minutes a game. I always like the 15 minute rule, as in if they will average 15 minutes a night or more as a freshman, let them play; if not, don't waste their redshirt year in which they could be developing in the weight room and gaining much needed experience while not using up any eligibility.

Would anyone agrue that Dale Moss should have redshirted? We have not had that luxery to reshirt players but now we do and if you are a Freshman and not in the 8 man rotatation getting solid minutes like 15 to 18 you should ask to redshirt!

[89rabbit]

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I think you have to take into account that the Summit League Tournament is in Sioux Falls next year and beyond that we do not know where the tournament will be held, at this time. Having the three games you need to win to get into the "Big Dance" so close to home is a big advantage and we should take advantage of it by putting our best team on the floor next year, IMHO.


Go State!

[Kemo]

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That would be doing a pretty big dis-service to next years seniors if incoming freshman can play and contribute right away...

It would also be a disservice to the freshman if they don't take a redshirt and only play 5 to 10 minutes a game. I always like the 15 minute rule, as in if they will average 15 minutes a night or more as a freshman, let them play; if not, don't waste their redshirt year in which they could be developing in the weight room and gaining much needed experience while not using up any eligibility.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I thought last year we were going to play like Villanova! I hope so they are sitting in the Final 4! We need to redshirt everyone and get them ready for the next 4 years after!

That would be doing a pretty big dis-service to next years seniors if incoming freshman can play and contribute right away...

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It's fine if he isn't THEE point guard b/c him being a "point forward" would be great, especially if he polishes up on his jumper. Stick him in the middle/ft line against a zone defense and let him create. I follow Kansas pretty close and the trend for them is having multiple PG's on the floor at the same time. This year they started basically three (Collins, Morningstar, Taylor) and brought another (Reed) off the bench right away. Bill Self, when asked, says he wants everything out of his guards. Not just a good ballhandler or shooter, he wants kids that can do it all. Obviously we're not anywhere near able to pull the same kids KU does, but we should want the same kids. I hope Moss and Palarca take alot of jump shots this offseason b/c they are both capable PG's, just not the best at making jumpers.

I thought last year we were going to play like Villanova! I hope so they are sitting in the Final 4! We need to redshirt everyone and get them ready for the next 4 years after!

[TeaJackrabbit]

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The point guard situation is interesting. Chad White is not a point guard, I think he's more of a "point forward". His ball handling skills are good, but not true point guard talented.

It's fine if he isn't THEE point guard b/c him being a "point forward" would be great, especially if he polishes up on his jumper. Stick him in the middle/ft line against a zone defense and let him create. I follow Kansas pretty close and the trend for them is having multiple PG's on the floor at the same time. This year they started basically three (Collins, Morningstar, Taylor) and brought another (Reed) off the bench right away. Bill Self, when asked, says he wants everything out of his guards. Not just a good ballhandler or shooter, he wants kids that can do it all. Obviously we're not anywhere near able to pull the same kids KU does, but we should want the same kids. I hope Moss and Palarca take alot of jump shots this offseason b/c they are both capable PG's, just not the best at making jumpers.