Cal Poly-Official Game Thread

[rcjacks]

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If you are talking about competing for 5th or 6th place than I agree, but if you are thinking compete as in win, you are not giving this league the credit it deserves.

I can list off of a whole host of reasons...

The travel in this league makes the NCC look like a city league.

Last year IUPUI had a player that was drafted in the 1st round of the NBA draft but yet they didn't win the league.

Just look at the athletes that teams like IUPUI and ORU have and have had.

You guys beat Iowa State, IUPUI beat Seton Hall, even cellar dweller UMKC beat a pair of MVC teams. The mid to lower level teams can be sneaky good at times.

Your post essentially summarizes what I said, not how zooropa competely rewrites my post. I didn't say the NCC teams would "win" the Summit or even "dominate" it ... I said the "upper tier" teams of the NCC in its heyday could "compete" in the Summit.

[Nidaros]

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In the larger scheme of things this weekend, this game doesn't mean a whole lot in terms of this team's post-season destiny. Frankly, our concern should lie more with our conference games since that's our only chance of making the post-season... we sure as heck won't be getting an at-large bid to the "Big Dance"--YET!

I do wish I had gotten on to the stream of this game but did not, but what I heard through the words of Steve Emming concerns me a great deal. Cal Poly went on a big run and bucket after bucket went in. What was going wrong with our D during this time? What was going wrong when Cal Poly was getting two to three offensive rebounds? Someone was either not in position to rebound nor where the defensive assignments being carried out. Its troubling that these things happen against a team that has won only six game and plays in a conference that is perhaps on the same level as the Summit League. These things should not have happened in this game. Its not one player, its all of them here and there not getting the job done. This is the part that bothers me, its not Kai,its the whole darn bunch. I just dont envy Coach Nagy and their staff, as they got to find ways to stop these minor meltdowns that causes us to lose games that we should not lose. Maybe its a problem of not having depth, and boy I cant wait until the Madison boys to campus. We really need them for depth if not for any other reason. If the kid from Clarinda, Iowa, Glen Miller's home town can play next year, then we got some more depth. (Anthony Davis)

I just hope all these hand gernade and horse shoe game loses do not destroy the attitudes of the talenet we do have. In case you dont understand there is a saying "Close only counts in horse shoes and hand gernades."

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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Your post essentially summarizes what I said, not how zooropa competely rewrites my post. I didn't say the NCC teams would "win" the Summit or even "dominate" it ... I said the "upper tier" teams of the NCC in its heyday could "compete" in the Summit.

And we are "competing" in the Summit. If you don't believe me, ask the coaches of the 7 teams that lost to us this year and the 4 or 5 that squeaked out a win. Ask our first round Summit Tourney opponent if they think we are a competitive Summit League team.

As far as the competition level of the Summit vs NCC, when was the last time you saw 4 dunks in an NCC game? I could be wrong, but I think it was the ORU game earlier there were 6. We've got 5-6 guys who with a half step advantage could throw down. I'm not sure we ever had 3 on even the best DII teams (anybody remember Josh Cerveny--a good post but he would get DOMINATED in the Summit). There can be no argument that there is more talent in the Summit League than the best year of the NCC.

Everybody continually holds up Austin as the beacon of what was DII basketball at SDSU (and he was pretty darn good and fun to watch). Try asking him sometime whether the NCC or Summit are tougher. I would love to see TV do an interview with him comparing his days as DII and the current level of competition.

[Grizzled_Jack]

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Hey Zooropa, you completely misquoted me. I didn't say the "NCC schools in their heyday were better than the Summitt." I said that the upper tier NCC schools in their heyday couuld compete in the Summit. There is a big difference from what I said, and from what you said I said. Please use the quote button so you don't misquote me again.

As I posted yesterday, Central Missouri (who I think is ranked about 7th in D2) might not be able to compete with Oral Roberts or NDSU but they definitely looked as good as SDSU or WIU when I saw them on national TV yesterday. My assumption is that they'd finish about third to fifth in the Summit and split with the Jacks.

There was a major difference in student response, they had more than 5000 in attendance, lots of students and the students were LOUD. The Summit is hurt by having so many commuter schools, I'm sure there was nothing else to do in Warrensburg on a Saturday morning but head over to the game. I know there was some discussion of their going DI and if they do they very well might wind up in the Summit-- I wonder if the crowds will continue if they've got Centenary rather than NWMS coming in for games. (and no, I'm not advocating a return to the NCC, you can't go home again, and I paid little attention to SDSU until they did go DI-- that's what got my interest up again after 40 years).

I just don't see a bright line between the best D2 conferences and the weaker DI's. I suspect there's plenty of overlap in most programs. The talent I saw when I ventured to WIU was certainly better than what I remember from the mid sixties, but those were pretty bad teams. I think Nagy was quoted a year or two ago as saying his best NCC teams could probably win about 17 games-- I think that's a good assessment.

[propar80]

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And we are "competing" in the Summit. If you don't believe me, ask the coaches of the 7 teams that lost to us this year and the 4 or 5 that squeaked out a win. Ask our first round Summit Tourney opponent if they think we are a competitive Summit League team.

As far as the competition level of the Summit vs NCC, when was the last time you saw 4 dunks in an NCC game? I could be wrong, but I think it was the ORU game earlier there were 6. We've got 5-6 guys who with a half step advantage could throw down. I'm not sure we ever had 3 on even the best DII teams (anybody remember Josh Cerveny--a good post but he would get DOMINATED in the Summit). There can be no argument that there is more talent in the Summit League than the best year of the NCC.

Everybody continually holds up Austin as the beacon of what was DII basketball at SDSU (and he was pretty darn good and fun to watch). Try asking him sometime whether the NCC or Summit are tougher. I would love to see TV do an interview with him comparing his days as DII and the current level of competition.

This is hands down the best paragraph in this whole stinking thread. All of you who think teams in the NCC would "compete" night-in, night-out in the Summit or anyother Mid-Major Conference...just ask AH.

Go Jacks!!

[mitchellrabbit]

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It is what it is. Jacks will play in the post-season tourney. It is likely this team will continue to underachieve. They have proven a couple of things this year. The ability to lose games they should and the ability not to win games they could. I'm sure I'll get dinged for saying it but facts are facts. Anyone who thinks just qualifying for the post-season by other teams losing as a positive outcome is not living in the moment in my opinion. We aren't a very good team right now and the NCAA tourney is not in our near our distant future.

The part about qualifying for the post season by other teams losing, not being a positive outcome, got me thinking about the Philadelphia Eagles. They qualified for the post season this past season because Tampa Bay lost and Chicago lost on the last day of the season. How close were they to going to the Super Bowl? So the Jacks get into the post season by other teams losing. Who cares? Just so they are there and have a chance. I think the Jacks getting to SF was a lot of peoples goals when the season started. It was mine, so im happy. Strange things happen in conference tournaments during March Madness.

[bub94]

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Have to admit reading the posts from last night after I left the site are a little shocking. First, people are questioning if Kai showed up last night. Scoring 19 points is not showing up? And having a 3 pointer roll out and Cal-Poly having a player run down to the other end when the shot was in the air for a easy basket was probably Kai's fault. Kai did not lose the game last night, the team lost.

Second, the team is better this year than last year. Last years team would not have made the Summit Tourney. This years team did. Clint will be back for the final two Summit games. The team is better offensively and defensively when Clint is playing. The team, when healthy, can challenge and beat any of the teams in the Summit.

[CatchEmAll]

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I've held my tongue on the MBB team since early in the season...and will continue to do so.

I just wanted to add the I enjoy the banter that takes place after Jacks losses. Good stuff. I'd throw in my two cents, but that would be a waste of space. Keep it up (fans, not the team)!

Thanks to the anonymous "fan" for the negative rep points on this one. Just to clarify I am not "still a hater of the men's team". I'm merely staying true to my own word to not comment on the state of the team (good or bad in my own opinion). The "waste of space" comment was merely a fact, why waste more space (which I'm doing now) to rehash what's already been said in this thread. Keep up the ignorance and anonomity whoever you are. And if you really want to nutt up, PM me and I'll fill you in on what my comments would have been in this thread.


Darn it, now I've wasted all this space because someone thinks they know what I'm thinking.

[1stRowFANatic]

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Of all the old Jacks teams that I recall, I think there is only one that would have been as competitive in the Summit as the current team is. That is when Steve Lingenfelter, Jim Walker, Bob Winzenburg started on the front line going 6' 9", 6' 10", 6' 9". I admit that I don't remember well enough if the guard play on that team was quick enough to compete, the front line was as good as any I've seen in the Summit. Someone mentioned a while back about seeing 4 dunks in a game, and while I think that is meaningless statistic, it happened very often with this team. And when they were playing one of the middle to bottom teams in the NCC, they would have spurts where they would get 4 dunks in 3 minutes.

That team had something that I see with the women's team. As a game is progressing you wonder why they aren't blowing the other team off the floor and then BAM! Six or eight unanswered points in a matter of seconds; play just a little better than the other team and then BAM! All of a sudden you looked up and they had a 20 point lead, and you wonder how did they get so far ahead.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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Ya, so? Those are both D-I conferences.


Want to know how the last three D-II Men's Basketball National Champions that moved up to D-I are doing?

Kennesaw State - 2004 D-II National Champion is 7-17 with a RPI of 337. They are 1-11 on the road. '04 was our last year in D-II and the NCC.

Cal State Bakersfield - They won 3 D-II National Championships in the '90s. They are 6-18 with a RPI of 321. They are 1-13 on the road.

UC David - They won the '98 D-II National crown and have been D-I the longest. This season they are 11-14 with a RPI of 255 and a road record of 4-7.

Moving from D-II to D-I is a huge jump in Men's Basketball.

You hit the nail square on the head...and I didn't see any of the "our DII teams would be better than this year's team" posters acknowledging it at all. I love the NCC...it was good basketball...and we always boasted we had one of the toughest DII conferences in the nation. Yet, somehow, NCC teams through the years won two national championships...in '58 and '63. And being a national champion in DII in men's BB doesn't guarantee you any success in the transition to DI.

I know some people, who hated the move to DI, who still think (as least as recent as last year anyway) that our national championship women's team would have beaten our team last year. Are you kidding me????

[bigticket1]

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I dont know if this number is readily available without actually going through every roster,but how many DII players are on NBA (or even CBA) rosters ? I know there are some,but I don't think the % is very high.

[Nidaros]

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You hit the nail square on the head...and I didn't see any of the "our DII teams would be better than this year's team" posters acknowledging it at all. I love the NCC...it was good basketball...and we always boasted we had one of the toughest DII conferences in the nation. Yet, somehow, NCC teams through the years won two national championships...in '58 and '63. And being a national champion in DII in men's BB doesn't guarantee you any success in the transition to DI.

I know some people, who hated the move to DI, who still think (as least as recent as last year anyway) that our national championship women's team would have beaten our team last year. Are you kidding me????

I agree with your posting, and if there was ever a loaded team in the NCC talent, it had to be when Phil Jackson was playing and was coached by two subsequent NBA coaches. (Jimmy Rogers and Bill Fitch were at UND.) You would have to look at their media guide, but I dont think they pulled any upsets against B10 and B8 teams. The NCC played many games with the B10 and B8 during the 1950's and 1960's. USD was the only one to pull an upset against Wisconsin. Maybe a year before the National Championship.

I believe the best that UND did was fourth in the Elite 8, so their past was not that great when they had a great of talent. If you think the NCC is good, ask Dr. Booher about the 1963 team, SDSU had all they could handle to get past Nebraska Wesleyn in the Regional. Seems like it took 3 overtimes. Dr Booher was the NW team as a player. If that game had been played in Lincoln Neb instead of the Barn, NWU would be talking about a national championship and not SDSU.

So the NCC was good basketball, its never was better than the Summit or any other D1 conference. The best team as with the best players are those currently on the squad.

[rcjacks]

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I agree with your posting, and if there was ever a loaded team in the NCC talent, it had to be when Phil Jackson was playing and was coached by two subsequent NBA coaches. (Jimmy Rogers and Bill Fitch were at UND.) You would have to look at their media guide, but I dont think they pulled any upsets against B10 and B8 teams. The NCC played many games with the B10 and B8 during the 1950's and 1960's. USD was the only one to pull an upset against Wisconsin. Maybe a year before the National Championship.

I believe the best that UND did was fourth in the Elite 8, so their past was not that great when they had a great of talent. If you think the NCC is good, ask Dr. Booher about the 1963 team, SDSU had all they could handle to get past Nebraska Wesleyn in the Regional. Seems like it took 3 overtimes. Dr Booher was the NW team as a player. If that game had been played in Lincoln Neb instead of the Barn, NWU would be talking about a national championship and not SDSU.

So the NCC was good basketball, its never was better than the Summit or any other D1 conference. The best team as with the best players are those currently on the squad.

No one ever said that the old NCC was better than the Summit or any other D1 conference. What was said was that that the upper tier NCC teams could compete with teams in the Summit.

[rcjacks]

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I dont know if this number is readily available without actually going through every roster,but how many DII players are on NBA (or even CBA) rosters ? I know there are some,but I don't think the % is very high.

There is one player currently in the NBA from the Summit and Mid-Con, that is George Hill.

http://www.thesummitleague.org/pdf5/...DB_OEM_ID=3900

[boxerboy]

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It was a different era but for me the hey day of SDSU mens BB was the late sixties and early seventies. The Thomas boys John, Mel, and Dave. Lee Colburn, Guy Mackner, Raul Duarte, Denny Womeldorf, John Eidness. Probably missed spelled a couple the ole gray matter was put to the test. Vern Schoolmeester great little guard.