U of Minnesota Game Thread

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First Amendment protections don't necessarily extend to private property in the physical world. For example, a store can kick you out if you wear a t-shirt they find objectionable. Over time, those same standards are gradually extending to the virtual world. Filbert, the proprietor of this "establishment" can set his own standards of acceptable behavior. And as far as libel goes, you can't count on being anonymous in an online venue, either. A discussion board isn't a "discussion in the sense that your words and the context of the conversation disappear into the ether. It's more like a printed medium where your published statements are subject to the possibility of legal action. This is virtual reality, but it's still reality and what's said here has consequences in the "real" world.

So I guess the same kind of common sense that keeps you from putting a sign on your office door calling your boss a bad name or sending out a company email calling a coworker a drunk should apply here. Express your opinions and back them up, but be mindful that it's not a free-for-all without consequence.

I try to remind myself that we're talking about 18-22 year-old young adults here. Sometimes we forget that those are kids out on the court, somebody's son or daughter, and not some big-time sports icon. Maybe it's easier for me to remember how young they are because I see them every day in my classes. That doesn't mean they're immune from criticism. But we have to keep the context clear in our minds.

Yawn! Let it go, you are putting me to sleep!

[JackJD]

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I talked to a fan who was at the game last night and they thought Engen did some nice things during the game.

[Cadsev]

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Why not? What's the use of wasting a scholarship on someone who can't do what he's receiving the scholarship to do? He was recruited to PLAY basketball. This is his fourth season, he's the biggest post player on the active roster, and yet he gets 7 minutes against a team with two pretty good 6-10+ players in the lineup. Seems like something's a little wrong there.

You have to have a valid reason for yanking a scholarship and I do not believe that performance is one of the reason. NCAA rule and all . . . plus it's not Nagy's nature. Bigs are premiums and even if you think he's not cutting it you won't find another 6'11 athlete hanging around. Some coaches would run the kid off but that's different than pulling the scholarship...it's more convincing the athlete they will never play, treat them like crap etc. Again not Nagy's style.

[JackJD]

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Here's the lead paragraph from this morning's Mpls Star-Tribune's story (with photos):

In the Gophers' final contest before the most significant men's basketball game of their nonconference schedule -- against No. 9 Louisville on Dec. 20 -- South Dakota State didn't pose much of a challenge. Until the second half, of course.

Here's a LINK.

[JimmyJack]

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First Amendment protections don't necessarily extend to private property in the physical world. For example, a store can kick you out if you wear a t-shirt they find objectionable. Over time, those same standards are gradually extending to the virtual world. Filbert, the proprietor of this "establishment" can set his own standards of acceptable behavior. And as far as libel goes, you can't count on being anonymous in an online venue, either. A discussion board isn't a "discussion in the sense that your words and the context of the conversation disappear into the ether. It's more like a printed medium where your published statements are subject to the possibility of legal action. This is virtual reality, but it's still reality and what's said here has consequences in the "real" world.

So I guess the same kind of common sense that keeps you from putting a sign on your office door calling your boss a bad name or sending out a company email calling a coworker a drunk should apply here. Express your opinions and back them up, but be mindful that it's not a free-for-all without consequence.

I try to remind myself that we're talking about 18-22 year-old young adults here. Sometimes we forget that those are kids out on the court, somebody's son or daughter, and not some big-time sports icon. Maybe it's easier for me to remember how young they are because I see them every day in my classes. That doesn't mean they're immune from criticism. But we have to keep the context clear in our minds.

[KUlawJack]

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We certainly want to avoid defamation but message boards seem to be full of unsupported opinions -- not very actionable. As far as putting limits on the "speech" going on, that's up to the person who set up the board. If a person sets up a message board and limits what can be said, that's their choice and the Constitution has nothing to say about it. I don't think it has anything to do with the First Amendment concept of "free speech".

(Now, I recognize that most of us walk around thinking we have the right of "free speech" which means to many of us that we can spout off just about whatever we want but technically, that's not real accurate. We have many misconceptions about the rights in the Constitution...and we have had courts chewing over those concepts and misconceptions for more than 200 years.)

It may be thread drift, but I fully support this post.

[bub94]

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Nagy:

We've got to get Kai going somehow--he's putting so much pressure on himself he's not thinking clearly--he's really struggling.

I think that is hitting it on the head. I too believe Kai is putting too much pressure on himself. I also think we are putting too much on him too. Maybe he needs to watch a good comedy (Tommy Boy/Old School) and get a good laugh. Loosen up and enjoy himself. Still a lot of the season to go.

Just read the article JackJD posted the link to. SDSU outscored Minnesota in the second half. Clint had a nice night of shooting, going 8-13 for 25 points.

[Grizzled_Jack]

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This is the king of thread drifts

Right you are.

[JackJD]

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jack power is absolutely right and I'm guilty for contributing... back to the game.

The final score is not an embarassment...will look okay on ESPN.

I wonder how good Minnesota will be once Big 10 play starts. Their young posts will probably be educated a few times but both Iverson and Sampson appear to have very bright futures (I think Iverson has the potential to be a really outstanding player).

Here's the story on Minnesota's official site: http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArti...ATCLID=3631787

Coach Smith: “We knew South Dakota State was a good team and wasn’t going to go away easily,” Smith said.

Tubby Smith is a great coach and always compliments his opponent. At the same time, we did not just go away easily. I hope our players can take that from this game and expand on it.

[jack power]

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We certainly want to avoid defamation but message boards seem to be full of unsupported opinions -- not very actionable. As far as putting limits on the "speech" going on, that's up to the person who set up the board. If a person sets up a message board and limits what can be said, that's their choice and the Constitution has nothing to say about it. I don't think it has anything to do with the First Amendment concept of "free speech".

(Now, I recognize that most of us walk around thinking we have the right of "free speech" which means to many of us that we can spout off just about whatever we want but technically, that's not real accurate. We have many misconceptions about the rights in the Constitution...and we have had courts chewing over those concepts and misconceptions for more than 200 years.)

This is the king of thread drifts

[JackJD]

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We certainly want to avoid defamation but message boards seem to be full of unsupported opinions -- not very actionable. As far as putting limits on the "speech" going on, that's up to the person who set up the board. If a person sets up a message board and limits what can be said, that's their choice and the Constitution has nothing to say about it. I don't think it has anything to do with the First Amendment concept of "free speech".

(Now, I recognize that most of us walk around thinking we have the right of "free speech" which means to many of us that we can spout off just about whatever we want but technically, that's not real accurate. We have many misconceptions about the rights in the Constitution...and we have had courts chewing over those concepts and misconceptions for more than 200 years.)

[joeboo22]

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Catchem.... I agree with your point but if you start pulling scholarships because players don't do that well you will never recruit anybody.... I don't like "calling out" anybody but sometimes you have to say the truth.... Kai isn't playing great right now, and he'll be the first to say so, same with Cordova both have been fairly quiet since Cancun.... As far as Callahan and Sargent.... I agree with Nagy 100% they need to know they can do it every night... Garrett seems to realize that this year that he is good enough to compete and Sargent needs to do that every game.... I still think the tricky part is the point guard..... when Casey isn't firing shots like he is Wayne Ellington he is an alright point guard.... Palarca is clearly the more talented one but he just needs to reign it in.... I think when we get into conference we might see more Callahan or Moss running the point when not being pressed.... I'd like to see Cassaday, Cordova and Williams on the court at the same time, open things up for all of them... with Callahan/Sargent/Moss/Palarca/Gr. Callahan in the back court.

[Grizzled_Jack]

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Grizzled Jack: it was the nature of what people are referring to as "calling out". There's a fuzzy line out there that sometimes we see. And sometimes moderators are privy to other information.

The First Amendment starts with the words "Congress shall make no law...." There's no Congress on this message board. We have something better called filbert, a benevolent (?) dictator.

The librarian in me says that media is media and we're on a very slippery slope.

[JackJD]

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Grizzled Jack: it was the nature of what people are referring to as "calling out". There's a fuzzy line out there that sometimes we see. And sometimes moderators are privy to other information.

The First Amendment starts with the words "Congress shall make no law...." There's no Congress on this message board. We have something better called filbert, a benevolent (?) dictator.

[CatchEmAll]

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How do you get in trouble for calling out player A but not player B? As a student who started out as a journalism major at SDSU and who got a degree in library science almost 40 years ago, I'm a bit troubled first amendment-wise.

Point well taken. Sorry.

Please modify if needed mods.