Upper Iowa Game Thread

[filbert]

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Did he really call it a trap game? That is the worst use of that phrase I have ever heard.

SF-Rabbit_Fan: I have to disagree on the talent level. Many of these kids just can't play.

Yes, Nagy said that Upper Fricking Iowa was a "trap game."

[jackwatcher]

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That's 2 fricking's in 2 posts filbert. Good thing you are a moderator!

[filbert]

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That's 2 fricking's in 2 posts filbert. Good thing you are a moderator!

But remember, I'm not panicking until Christmas!

[KUlawJack]

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Okay, I just deleted my last post because I was pretty frustrated and mistakenly stated that Upper Iowa was in the Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conferece along with Coe, Wartburg, Simpson, Buena Vista, etc. I was wrong, because they reclassified from D-III to D-II at the same time we moved to D-I.

There is no possible way a team like that should be within 5 points of us. I cannot think of any rationale that makes this acceptable. It might be a win but its not something to be proud of. Upper Iowa. Come on.

[Grizzled_Jack]

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This is a bottom of the barrel NSIC team. They'd probably lose to Northern even if Don Meyer was playing post out of his wheel chair.

[jackwatcher]

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But remember, I'm not panicking until Christmas!

Christmas seems to come earlier every year!

[jacks1]

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Did he really call it a trap game? That is the worst use of that phrase I have ever heard.

SF-Rabbit_Fan: I have to disagree on the talent level. Many of these kids just can't play.

I agree wholeheartedly on both points. Rep points for you. The only thing I would change is...'Many of these kids just can't play...at this level.'

The frustrating thing for me is continually seeing a lack of excitement, hustle, enthusiasm, hard work, etc. from our entire team. I can handle losses or bad wins if the effort is there...it is not. We outrebounded one of the worst DII programs in the nation by 1 and got beat to every loose ball.

[joeboo22]

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I'm not going to panic...... I listened to the whole game as I drove across the state.... The thing is, if you listened to the game, we where clearly the better team, we did alot of this right.... The problem was again we started off slow, we shot bad..... I look at this years team and they are making less turnovers..... They are rebounding better then last year.... The 2 problems I have seen with the Jacks over the past 3 years is that they can't seem to put games away when they are up and they go "Cold" too often..... The problem is until we get some of the players become leaders they'll continue to have that problem.... Callahan has seemed to become the team leader.... I hope he continues to shoot well, and I think this offense will help his brother when he becomes eligible because from what I have heard he is the better shooter of the 2...... And this is a trap game.... Heck this past week I have only been thinking of thanksgiving and I was just going across the state.... If I would be going to Cancun heck I wouldn't of been able to focus the past month..... I'm just saying that though its only a 5 point win and people will say we should of beat them by 30 I saw some good things come out of it,

We won a close game and a game that we played very bad at.... Something that we haven't done in the past no matter who we were playing......

[joeboo22]

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I agree wholeheartedly on both points. Rep points for you. The only thing I would change is...'Many of these kids just can't play...at this level.'

The frustrating thing for me is continually seeing a lack of excitement, hustle, enthusiasm, hard work, etc. from our entire team. I can handle losses or bad wins if the effort is there...it is not. We outrebounded one of the worst DII programs in the nation by 1 and got beat to every loose ball.

I'll disagree with you on that point..... I think the problem with this team is we don't have a center and have players playing out of position....

Anybody that doesn't think this team has the talent to compete needs to watch the team.... I see 2 problems with this team.... Thats leadership and shooting..... Leadership you can't coach, you can't tell a guy to be a leader they just become one, I've been told Garrett is starting to become that guy.... Shooting is odd because the past 2 games the team shot pretty good.... As far as rebounding.... when you shoot as badly as the Jacks did you generally don't fare so well when it comes to rebounding....

[JacksFroshFan]

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I'd like to say first that I am a Nagy supporter.

But, I believe score shifted when we were up 16 and he decided to put a group of subs with only Callahan on the floor. The hell with resting people when your up 16. I'd like to see him just leave everyone on the floor and bury teams if they can. He should have done the same thing with Mayville State. He had subs in nearly the entire second half. We obviously beat them very handily and the starters didn't have to play, but I would imagine the way many of them were playing it would have at least been a confidence boost. I'm to the point that if there is a chance you can beat a team by 50, than he needs to beat a team by 50. This team needs to know what its like to kick the hell out of someone and put their foot on the other teams throat when their down. At the point we are as a program, I wouldn't be worried about if the coach I played didn't like what I did or thought I was running up the score. I'd want my players to build up as much confidence as possible and beating teams down whether lesser competition or not does that.

I don't know that our players were messing around like Nagy implied. I think he decided to put some subs because he felt he had a cushion and it backfired. It gave Upper Iowa (I think I just threw up a little) momentum and gave that hint they could compete again.

[bub94]

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I was at the game tonight. A lot of the shots missed in the first half (and there were a lot) rolled around the rim and rolled out. The Jacks only had 2 turnovers in the first half against a pressing team. The Peacocks (just had to include their name in the post) got back into the game in the second half because of Jacks turnovers and some stupid fouls. Upper Iowa was a very quick team. Mark couldn't keep up with them so that is why he had a lack of minutes. Upper Iowa was using a lot of back picks and screens. They were able to throw up some open threes in the second half because the Jacks players were all running after rebounds.

Anyone have any questions regarding Garrett as a shooter? He was in a groove tonight. Kai had a great first half (they threw up a lob to him and I didn't think there was any way he was going to catch it--he proved me wrong---Holy Sheet). Off night shooting for Clint but he was willing to drive the lane and shot free throws well. Micheal had a great steal, causing the Upper Iowa player to intentionally foul him at half court. Didn't have the greatest scoring night but he hustled on D. They just played in streaks again and like a few of the posters said, seems like they play down to the competition at times. But for those at the game, you did see hustle. Forgot, Cassaday played some good minutes tonight. Didn't even see a knee brace. Fought for some good rebounds.

[joeboo22]

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I'd like to say first that I am a Nagy supporter.

But, I believe score shifted when we were up 16 and he decided to put a group of subs with only Callahan on the floor. The hell with resting people when your up 16. I'd like to see him just leave everyone on the floor and bury teams if they can. He should have done the same thing with Mayville State. He had subs in nearly the entire second half. We obviously beat them very handily and the starters didn't have to play, but I would imagine the way many of them were playing it would have at least been a confidence boost. I'm to the point that if there is a chance you can beat a team by 50, than he needs to beat a team by 50. This team needs to know what its like to kick the hell out of someone and put their foot on the other teams throat when their down. At the point we are as a program, I wouldn't be worried about if the coach I played didn't like what I did or thought I was running up the score. I'd want my players to build up as much confidence as possible and beating teams down whether lesser competition or not does that.

I don't know that our players were messing around like Nagy implied. I think he decided to put some subs because he felt he had a cushion and it backfired. It gave Upper Iowa (I think I just threw up a little) momentum and gave that hint they could compete again.

I agree with you 100%.... The only thing is if someone would of got hurt... people would of been saying...... what where they doing trying to run up the score and somebody got hurt.... But again I think the bench needs to learn how to compete.... the first 7-8 guys can play with anybody but when we get below that they can't..... I do think that this team is on the way up though.... 2-3 years ago the first 5 couldn't compete with anyone.... the recruits we have coming in are legit and if we had Anthony Davis this year I think people would be in a totally different mood.... I know its a lot of what if with him... but it was a legit Center who turned down UW-Milwaulkee, Witchita State, as well as other legit schools... And its the one position that we are clearly outmatched at.... I know Cordova does a good job but he is 6-7 more of a PF then a Center, and after him well... there isn't anything after him....

[mitchell]

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This team has talent. Sargeant, Kai, Callahan, & Cordova are Legit DI players.

The biggest problem is a lack of depth from the bench(especially in the post) and good PG play. If Anthony Davis was healthy this would have been a pretty salty team. For once in a long time I feel like the tide might be turning for this squad and I think good things are on the horizon.

Next years team:

PG - Sargeant/White/Palarca
SG - Callahan/Moss
SF - Williams/Cassaday/Radar
PF - Cordova/Cassaday/Feigen
C - Davis/Engen

[Nidaros]

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No comment on the Upper Iowa game. I think that is safe to say.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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We need to figure out how to capture that relentless, happy warrior mentality displayed for 40 minutes every game by the women's team and transfer it to the men's team. Isn't basketball supposed to be fun?

BINGO, BINGO, BINGO!!!!!!!!!!

There just isn't any emotion on the floor. Everyone has their opinions on is it coaching, is it players, is it something else. For me, its the players taking control of this thing and doing something about it. Rallying around each other to get it done. Time for them to take an us against the world attitude!

I'm up for giving more time to figure out the new offense and things like that but the attitude part of it needs to be fixed right now!

Who knows about last night? Maybe their minds were halfway to Cancun. I wish I was going. That's not a valid escuse but maybe its true.

My hope is through playing, practice, and some time on the beach in Mexico they can discover a bond and really come together as team. Hopefully they come home with a sunburn and red ass that is fired up to play well in the conference!

Time will tell!

GB, GB, GJ!

SUPERBUNNY