Summit League Postseason Awards

[bballfan54]

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I think part of the point is that leaders have to have followers who know what they're doing. Towards the end of the season I saw Kai much more vocal on the floor, pointing where some of the freshmen needed to be on the court, etc. than he was earlier.

Now, the fact he had to do that speaks more about the guys on the team who didn't know where they were supposed to be than about Kai as a leader. Yeah, that's primarily a coaching issue (getting players to understand where they're supposed to be).

THE LEADERS HAVE TO HAVE FOLLOWERS WHO WANT TO FOLLOW TOO........

The players all have play books and dvd's to watch, just like they have homework for their classes, they have homework for their bball games, some are more studious then others??

[Nidaros]

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Up to this point we don't have a true leader on this team.

A lot of candidates, but no one that has actually taken a step forward and taken this responsibility.

I don't buy the, can't make them drink bit(not just Kai, but anyone). We don't lose 13 games by 10 or less points this year if we have a true leader. True leaders don't need to make people do anything, people naturally follow them and follow by example.

That's not directed at any one player, that is directed from players top to bottom on the roster.

In this age of college basketball, it is much more common for freshman and sophs to lead teams.

I think its very easy to make statements like the above. I watched a tournament of fifth grade basketball players today, and I have to admit most of these fifth graders know more about the game of basketball than I do. They seem to have great coaches and teachers that have made them that way. So do I want to take on the coaching staff and team at SDSU on points about followship or leadership or coaching? Naw I dont think that it's a good idea, I might do better at something else like maybe a card game of whist with some old folks.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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THE LEADERS HAVE TO HAVE FOLLOWERS WHO WANT TO FOLLOW TOO........

The players all have play books and dvd's to watch, just like they have homework for their classes, they have homework for their bball games, some are more studious then others??

Easy, Mrs. W. I'm guessing Kai wouldn't want you throwing his teamates under the bus like that. We all understand your desire to protect your son from criticism, and you and I have PM'd on several occasions about Kai, but I promise he wouldn't want you questioning his teamates and their desire/heart. No one is questioning Kai's heart from what I've read. Some just feel he needs to improve in his on-the-floor leadership skills. Every player can stand to improve on their game. Even players in the NBA. Kai is a special talent. You don't need to convince people of the board of that. We can all see it. You especially don't need to convince us of that by pointing fingers at the other players on his team. Nothing good is going to come from that.

[bballfan54]

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Apologies if anyone thought I was pointing a finger I wasn't .......I was just stating a fact of team play in all sports..and I have sent you a private message milwakeejacks ok ?

[Just in the crowd]

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Apologies if anyone thought I was pointing a finger I wasn't .......I was just stating a fact of team play in all sports..and I have sent you a private massage milwakeejacks ok ?

If one upsets Mrs. W, do they also get a private massage?

[bballfan54]

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My skins thick, I'm a Brit.

[jackrabit1]

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Not to mention an upper lip that is quite stiff! LOL

[bballfan54]

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If one upsets Mrs. W, do they also get a private massage?

ok fixed the typo...

[Nidaros]

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If one upsets Mrs. W, do they also get a private massage?

I am not surprised you have a red mark in your reputation box. I dont think you have any sensitivity and yep I am going to add to your red marks.

The roster is made of people who are students first and athletes second. The athletes may have tough skins and maybe parents do to. None-the-less I think below the skin, there are feelings and for a "just in the crowd" person to continually to make comments about leadership and what ever is so easy and certainly not helpful. What will you do about the leadership problem that SDSU supposely has? Its easy to point out a problem, but do you have a solution? No I did not think so.

[JacksFroshFan]

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You need to relax a little Nidaros.

It's a message board. People have the right to express what they think is wrong if it's done with out taking shots at people personally

Leadership was a problem for much of the year, there's nothing wrong with admitting that. It got a little better as the year went on and will improve over the offseason as well.

I am not surprised you have a red mark in your reputation box. I dont think you have any sensitivity and yep I am going to add to your red marks.

The roster is made of people who are students first and athletes second. The athletes may have tough skins and maybe parents do to. None-the-less I think below the skin, there are feelings and for a "just in the crowd" person to continually to make comments about leadership and what ever is so easy and certainly not helpful. What will you do about the leadership problem that SDSU supposely has? Its easy to point out a problem, but do you have a solution? No I did not think so.

[Nidaros]

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You need to relax a little Nidaros.

It's a message board. People have the right to express what they think is wrong if it's done with out taking shots at people personally

Leadership was a problem for much of the year, there's nothing wrong with admitting that. It got a little better as the year went on and will improve over the offseason as well.

Right you are about being able to express whats wrong, but could you as an individual do better than the current coaching staff and roster in inspiring winning leadership? Why did the leadership get better at the end of the season? Did you have a chat with team? You kind of waffle away from your criticism. What are these guys suppose to do? I think they gave their best shot, and maybe we are lucky we had that many close scores in losing.

What good is leadership when you are getting beaten by better athleticism and experience? I think that was the case more than lack of leadership. Many of our guys were in High school like yourself last year. How can you expect them to step into D1 conference play and be leaders against Juniors and Seniors?


Btw did you watch the Summit Final? Yes we should have leadership like ORU and IUPUI, but most of the roster is Juniors and above and we had three seniors, so your lack leadership does not mean squat in my book. Lighten up? I suggest you get a clue.

[filbert]

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Discuss posts, not posters, please. I don't know many people who enjoy watching a p!$$ing match between two people talking past one another.

If you're suggesting that another poster should relax, you should perhaps first act on that advice yourself.

If you're suggesting that another poster lacks sensitivity, perhaps you should show rather than tell.

Nidaros is a valued (if occasionally prickly) opinion on this board. To a certain extent, I value his posts because he's a bit prickly. (No offense, Nidaros!) His perspective is unique, because he's unique. So too is Just In The Crowd, and everybody else who posts here (with, thankfully, very few exceptions). It would be a very boring board if everybody had the exact same opinions as everyone else.

People dash off messages quickly, and read them even quicker. It is possible for people to say things they don't quite mean, and it's even more possible for people to read things that aren't there into what's written.

Expect misunderstandings, then join in laughing about them.

Everybody, with me . . . breathe in . . .

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Breathe out.

Repeat . . .

Good!

[2002jack]

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I have yet to post on this topic, bacause most of what I have to offer is based on emotions. I agree alot with both sides of the argument. I am very optimistic about the future, but yet very skeptical about this last season. I reallly don't know how to feel. I do know one thing, I appreciate hearing posters' comments related to the current status.

Right now are men's team is not getting it done.

This isn't, and I don't want it to become a "RA RA SDSU" site. People should be able to offer a few negative comments. To me one of the worst things that could happen with this move to Division I would be accepting losing. We don't, and should never have to accept losing. We should expect the best. We could all be like Chicago Cubs fans or Harvard grads, and just laugh off another losing season......but I hope it doesn't turn into that.

We have to remember, we all love SDSU, and we all want it to be the best.

(Raise a beer) Here's to next year!

[Nidaros]

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I really have no more to offer on this subject except that going from D2 to D1 was a quantium leap. If we preceive the acceptence of losing is based on 4 basketball seasons that for a host of reasons would never have been a winning ones, then maybe we are being presumptous about the future. I for one don't believe we are losers in D1. We are developing and in some ways we have had more success than can be expected. What did our baseball guys do today? Lost 7 to 3, two year ago, we got clobbered so some programs are progressing nicely. Men's basketball will take longer, no matter how we cut the pie.

Fund raising for athletics has to be at an all time high. I been reading the back part of programs for over 20 years now and wondered just how well are we doing in terms of fund raising. In the late 1980's we were no where at the point that we are now. That does not reflect a losing attitude in my opinion. I could get bumped back a few rows in the blue seats, but dont have a problem in that since more people are giving bigger amounts. Thats a great thing to have.

I will say again and again. Our guys showed heart win or lose and thats all we probably can expect for now. If we are continuously 9-20 ten years from now then perhaps the acceptance of losing has become the norm. We are not at that point at this time. I am proud of what SDSU has accompolished to date. End of comments.

[2002jack]

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I would agree with the fund raising. I gave to the athletic department for my first time this year, and attended more athletic events than ever before. I'm more exicited about Jackrabbit athletics than I ever been. I think that's the same feeling for almost all of the poster on this board. I also think that we should have the privelage to post some critical comments on the fan board, without our "fanhood" or intelligence being questioned.

I also like to read opinions and positive comments about the future. If people start turning sour and giving up, that would be a total let down.