NDSU

[WestSideRabbit]

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I agree... How hurt is Cadwell? At the start of the year he was a fan favorite with the students and now you can here everyone cringe when he touches the ball because it almost leads to a quick and poor shot. The injury is really hurting his ability to get any type of seperation a lot of times over the past few games he has put on a move only to find that the defense had already recovered... I realize that he was our stud last year but from what I've seen lately (with the injury) he appears to be hurting the team. I know this is just one of our teams many problems but it is a problem none the less.

[Haldersham]

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No doubt Cadwell is having a bad year. I was in ND and was listening to WDAY do the game in Frost. Scott Miller the voice of the Bison had a lot of good things to say about SDSU, including Matt Cadwell. Also Miller was impressed with Kai Wiliams and Garrett Calhahn. I think NDSU still sees SDSU as a very good program. He was also very intrigued with the half time auction sale. He was joking with Tim Miles that maybe the reason that NDSU has not had much success at Frost is that no one from NDSU has bought the pig. ;D

I think its been a real pressure year for Mr. Cadwell. I forget which home game it was, but the offense seemed to be built around getting him a good shot which he did do, only to have a low FG percentage. The injury I believe is one that can be kind of nagging and prolonged, so an off season is almost needed to heal completely.

I think the cold weather definitely had a big impact on attendence. Older people with older cars are going to do the wise thing and stay home if its below zero weather. I was lucky earlier this week with my seven year old car. The power steering went out, but fortunately it was during the day and able to get it to a repair shop. If you are traveling 50 or more miles in this kind of weather late at night, you have a life threatening situation with car problems. I guess I am not saying anything new, but those in much warmer climates are likely to quickly forget what a upper midwest winter is all about.

Lastly, I think that this season is probably the bottom in terms of success in the reclassification period. Men's BB was the program that I thought would be most succesful out of the gate, but the opposite has happened. I have expressed my impatientence, but if the new Prez said in the Argus we are hanging on, I can't disagree.  Things will get better and letting Tim Miles win at Frost is not big deal. It means more to the Bison than it does to us.

Our lack height in defending the perimeter  is very hurtful in defending the 3 point. I dont think Nelson has ever been 9 for 10 on FG's. Miller the WDAY announcer was a little surprised too, but he is a good shooter. Against a taller defender, they don't always fall.

[NightHawk78]

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Link to Stu's story in the Argus (for what it's worth):

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs...48/1002/SPORTS

I would link you to the NDSU story, but the Fargo Forum didn't send a reporter and had Stu write the story for them as well, which is almost identical to the Argus story.

[SDSUJack3031]

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[quote author=Jack Rabbit link=1170171099/90#98 date=1170561191]I thought the attendance would be higher than the 4,000 listed. It seemed like more people were there and that it was pretty full.
Even though we lost fairly bad, the SDSU didn't look too bad. I think the only real difference was patience. NDSU really seemed to execute their offence until they were able to find an open shot where as SDSU would come down and force up a bad shot after only 1 or 2 passes. As far as physical talent between the two teams they were pretty even, NDSU just executed and made their open shots.[/quote]


They are far more athletic than we are. At every position, excluding Kai, they had a better player. And let's all remember they're all only sophmores too except for Andre. This really shows where they are at as a ballclub and where we are at. Shows us how far we have to go yet. If they pick up a big man next year than can help them out, they will be really tough. Or BETTER!

[JackerRabbit]

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Just got the family back this morning, and I agree with SDSUhuskies on the game. We were getting killed inside and out by better players last night. Looking over their roster and talking to one of my friends that knows something about recruiting, I'm getting pretty concerned about the program right now. On the Bison roster he knew of:

Austin Pennick
Sam Sussenguth
Ben Woodside
Lorenzo Riley
Micheal Tviedt

and he wasn't sure about Brett Winkleman, who all had offers to SDSU and turned us down. I don't want to be negative here, but thats damn near half of a basketball team we've missed out on in the last 2 seasons, and the majority of players at the caliber in the area that SDSU could have captured. I find it hard to believe that with our advantage in facilities in basketball, that we are being beaten this badly in the recruiting area. Add to that some questionable recruits we have pulled in instead of these guys, and you can start to see how we are losing and they are winning right now. One prime example is retracting a scholarship offer from Micheal Tviedt (who by all accounts is going to be a hell of a player) to hold onto bob bilitz, a 190 pound 6'10 center who didn't academically qualify this semester. If we could have swayed Tviedt here and not had Bilitz, I can almost promise you we would have 3-4 more wins right now, and another promising foward to go with Kai and Cordova. I'm sure the rest of you are aware of the other recruits who have left lately, but needless to say, our recruiting has been lacking since we have transitioned. More than bad luck, we just aren't pulling in the kids for whatever reason, and until we do, we aren't going to be competitive.

[jivebunny]

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Just got the family back this morning, and I agree with SDSUhuskies on the game.  We were getting killed inside and out by better players last night.  Looking over their roster and talking to one of my friends that knows something about recruiting, I'm getting pretty concerned about the program right now.  On the Bison roster he knew of:

Austin Pennick
Sam Sussenguth
Ben Woodside
Lorenzo Riley
Micheal Tviedt

and he wasn't sure about Brett Winkleman, who all had offers to SDSU and turned us down.  I don't want to be negative here, but thats damn near half of a basketball team we've missed out on in the last 2 seasons, and the majority of players at the caliber in the area that SDSU could have captured.  I find it hard to believe that with our advantage in facilities in basketball, that we are being beaten this badly in the recruiting area.  Add to that some questionable recruits we have pulled in instead of these guys, and you can start to see how we are losing and they are winning right now.  One prime example is retracting a scholarship offer from Micheal Tviedt (who by all accounts is going to be a hell of a player) to hold onto bob bilitz, a 190 pound 6'10 center who didn't academically qualify this semester.  If we could have swayed Tviedt here and not had Bilitz, I can almost promise you we would have 3-4 more wins right now, and another promising foward to go with Kai and Cordova.  I'm sure the rest of you are aware of the other recruits who have left lately, but needless to say, our recruiting has been lacking since we have transitioned.  More than bad luck, we just aren't pulling in the kids for whatever reason, and until we do, we aren't going to be competitive.  

Tim Miles is a master recruiter. He just is. He was going back to his time at Northern. You can be a very, very good recruiter and not be as good as him. We're going to have to live with that as reality just now. He's a hot coach and, someday, will probably move to a bigger school. That day might not be too far off. When it comes, SDSU will probably benefit.

[jivebunny]

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[quote author=Jack Rabbit link=1170171099/90#98 date=1170561191]I thought the attendance would be higher than the 4,000 listed. It seemed like more people were there and that it was pretty full.
Even though we lost fairly bad, the SDSU didn't look too bad. I think the only real difference was patience. NDSU really seemed to execute their offence until they were able to find an open shot where as SDSU would come down and force up a bad shot after only 1 or 2 passes. As far as physical talent between the two teams they were pretty even, NDSU just executed and made their open shots.[/quote]


They are far more athletic than we are. At every position, excluding Kai, they had a better player. And let's all remember they're all only sophmores too except for Andre. This really shows where they are at as a ballclub and where we are at. Shows us how far we have to go yet. If they pick up a big man next year than can help them out, they will be really tough. Or BETTER!

It cannot be argued that NDSU is far more athletic and we are. (Excluding Kai, that is.) That was very clear last night. Loney is a bit of a project/black hole. He could not compete inside last night at all. And we didn't shoot well from the outside, although that had a lot to do with the Bison defense. Too many fade away junk shots. This year, we're just not as good as they are.

[Jacked_Up]

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Kai Williams looked like the most talented player on the court last night. Better than Andre Smith, NDSU's senior stud. NDSU has three or four other solid players and better size than the Rabbits. SDSU is behind NDSU in talent right now, but the gap is not that wide. The Rabbits will get more reinforcements next year than the Bison. I wouldn't fret too much over lost recruits either. There's always someone better out there. Success at this level goes in cycles. A few years ago, Nagy was the hot coach. Now it's Miles.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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Just got the family back this morning, and I agree with SDSUhuskies on the game.  We were getting killed inside and out by better players last night.  Looking over their roster and talking to one of my friends that knows something about recruiting, I'm getting pretty concerned about the program right now.  On the Bison roster he knew of:

Austin Pennick
Sam Sussenguth
Ben Woodside
Lorenzo Riley
Micheal Tviedt

and he wasn't sure about Brett Winkleman, who all had offers to SDSU and turned us down.  I don't want to be negative here, but thats damn near half of a basketball team we've missed out on in the last 2 seasons, and the majority of players at the caliber in the area that SDSU could have captured.  I find it hard to believe that with our advantage in facilities in basketball, that we are being beaten this badly in the recruiting area.  Add to that some questionable recruits we have pulled in instead of these guys, and you can start to see how we are losing and they are winning right now.  One prime example is retracting a scholarship offer from Micheal Tviedt (who by all accounts is going to be a hell of a player) to hold onto bob bilitz, a 190 pound 6'10 center who didn't academically qualify this semester.  If we could have swayed Tviedt here and not had Bilitz, I can almost promise you we would have 3-4 more wins right now, and another promising foward to go with Kai and Cordova.  I'm sure the rest of you are aware of the other recruits who have left lately, but needless to say, our recruiting has been lacking since we have transitioned.  More than bad luck, we just aren't pulling in the kids for whatever reason, and until we do, we aren't going to be competitive.  

I don't know where you get your information, but there is not a bit of truth to the Michael Tviedt for Bob Bilitz story...they weren't even in the same recruiting year. I believe we offered Tveidt and he wouldn't pull the trigger, between us and NDSU. We had two scholarships and were also trying to get Bassett and Cordova, and the coaches finally decided to get the two who were ready to accept. Bassett is of course a true freshman, Cordova is a prop 46 freshman and Tveidt is a redshirt freshman for NDSU.

[NorCalJack]

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Just got the family back this morning, and I agree with SDSUhuskies on the game.  We were getting killed inside and out by better players last night.  Looking over their roster and talking to one of my friends that knows something about recruiting, I'm getting pretty concerned about the program right now.  On the Bison roster he knew of:

Austin Pennick
Sam Sussenguth
Ben Woodside
Lorenzo Riley
Micheal Tviedt

and he wasn't sure about Brett Winkleman, who all had offers to SDSU and turned us down.  I don't want to be negative here, but thats damn near half of a basketball team we've missed out on in the last 2 seasons, and the majority of players at the caliber in the area that SDSU could have captured.  I find it hard to believe that with our advantage in facilities in basketball, that we are being beaten this badly in the recruiting area.  Add to that some questionable recruits we have pulled in instead of these guys, and you can start to see how we are losing and they are winning right now.  One prime example is retracting a scholarship offer from Micheal Tviedt (who by all accounts is going to be a hell of a player) to hold onto bob bilitz, a 190 pound 6'10 center who didn't academically qualify this semester.  If we could have swayed Tviedt here and not had Bilitz, I can almost promise you we would have 3-4 more wins right now, and another promising foward to go with Kai and Cordova.  I'm sure the rest of you are aware of the other recruits who have left lately, but needless to say, our recruiting has been lacking since we have transitioned.  More than bad luck, we just aren't pulling in the kids for whatever reason, and until we do, we aren't going to be competitive.  

You lost all credibility with me when you mentioned SDSUhuskies as a friend of yours.  You also stated that you have a friend that is really good at evaluating talent.  I think you are talking about SDSUhuskies again.  SDSUhuskies was banned on the Bison board.  Here is a quote from SDSUhuskies about the state of SDSU women's team this year.

A lot of the SDSU fans are in denial that they get the short end of the stick, especially as of lately in both men's and women's. I was an SDSU fan but when my "own kind" start accusing me of things, it's kind of hard to be something when people don't want you to be. I must say I watched the Midnight Madness plus two for SDSU and I didn't think much of them..they are going to get killed by Middle Tennessee and USC (even without Brynn) and all the excuses will come in AS USUAL (oh they barely lost to Maryland, we didn't have so and so, etc.)...in fact SDSU is jealous that USD could probably beat them with all the talent they have in the Hoffman twins and Carda.
You guys said in an earlier post that I was mad because Wilka didn't get offered by SDSU? HA! That's like DWU offering Jill Young

For your information SDSU did beat Middle Tennessee and they also beat USC.  So as you can see SDSUhuskies really does not know much about recruiting, evaluating talent or predicting the outcomes of games.  As far as SDSU being jealous about USD getting the Hoffman twins and Carda, I think we can all agree that we like the team that AJ has assembled.

I would also think that most of us SDSU fans might even like most of the recuits that Nagy has recruited.

Here is the link to the thread, in which SDSUhuskies was banned.  You should read the whole thread, it really is quite commical.

http://www400.pair.com/bisonvil/cgi-...num=1163025688

[thebluehatman]

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Even with the loss we are up to 314th in the RPI.

[Jacks99]

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I was wrong about the Jacks keeping it tight.

My game ball goes to Jose. Was 3-8 on three's going in and knocks down 2. He created at least 4 turnovers on NDSU and had some nice drives. All out aggressive and Nagy did say he played well and the most agressive. His only down side was a few forced finishes on drives, but not nearly as many as Cadwell. Not sure how much is injury or slump now. When they aren't falling, he needs to go for more high percentage shots.

Was dissapointing and like Nagy said, the team needs to realize this is the time they can chose to avoid giving up on the season. We will find out soon....

Crowd was good, students were active till the end of a game that was out of reach.

[jackmd]

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The outcome was not that unexpected. NDSU has a more talented and experienced team that has won games on the road against teams much better and in front of crowds as least as active as Frost. It was clear early that we were going to have to shoot a high percentage and force some turnovers. The opposite happened. We had 3 steals and 0 blocks, they had 11 steals and 5 blocks. I didn't see the final FG% but they were wide open on most shots and knocked them down. We struggled to even get shots and often didn't get shots.

Nagy seemed at a loss for answers. We couldn't defend them and our offense didn't flow. The run before the half was nice, kept the crowd in it. I think Miles asked his guys to buckle down after that and they did. Lets try and earn some respect in Fargo.

[JimmyJack]

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The outcome was not that unexpected. NDSU has a more talented and experienced team that has won games on the road against teams much better and in front of crowds as least as active as Frost. It was clear early that we were going to have to shoot a high percentage and force some turnovers. The opposite happened. We had 3 steals and 0 blocks, they had 11 steals and 5 blocks. I didn't see the final FG% but they were wide open on most shots and knocked them down. We struggled to even get shots and often didn't get shots.

Nagy seemed at a loss for answers. We couldn't defend them and our offense didn't flow. The run before the half was nice, kept the crowd in it. I think Miles asked his guys to buckle down after that and they did. Lets try and earn some respect in Fargo.

Exactly right. NDSU shot lights out, but then again they're shooting 50 percent for the season. You start with a 50 percent average, combine that with a shorthanded SDSU team, add one hot hand in the form of their leading scorer for the game, and you have the recipe for an 18-point loss.

I was pleased with how our guys competed throughout... the close rebounding stats bear that out (as Nagy noted, when they shoot 65 percent and you shoot 35 percent, you should be getting way, way outrebounded, but we didn't... that's an indication of effort.) Shots weren't falling for us, and they were falling for them. But we battled back to get within three with 12 minutes to go. As is often the case, the energy expended getting to 3-points back and a couple of 3s by them knocked our young team back on its heels.

Nagy's team has played with great effort, which says something about the team's character, even as they are compiling loss after loss. I imagine effort is something that becomes a habit. Keep that effort going, add a few players, and we've got a better than .500 team next year. Start piling up decent records, and with conference championships and NCAA bids at stake, and we'll get even better recruits. Nagy knows basketball, and despite the record, I'd say he's done a terrific job of coaching this year with a very shorthanded and inexperienced team. With terrific young players like Kai Williams and Garrett Callahan, and with guys like Matt Cadwell who we know can play better, we've got a good core to build on... finally.

As an aside: Williams in my opinion, was the most athletic player on the floor Saturday night. When's the last time you could say that about one of OUR players? With a little more seasoning, he's going to be a great one. It's hard when you watch him to remember that he's 18-years-old. He's so efficient in his game which is a sign of maturity. There was one play where he leapt up for a defensive rebound, taking off just inside the free throw line and soared all the way to the end line almost getting the ball (sure, he knocked over an NDSU player and picked up a foul, but that's some serious athleticism.)

[mitchell2006]

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I really think that the main difference in the game was that NDSU came down the floor and ran through their offense until eventually one of players got an open shot where as SDSU came down the floor ran into a good defense, panicked and threw up a contested shot. I think that NDSU guards out played our guards but that Kai and Loney did a good job down low. I think the game at NDSU will be a closer game, some of the players seemed to let the magnitude of the game get to them.