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Originally posted by Justwin View PostMost will not turn into a Daum just by redshirting a year. For the most part talent is not developed it is recruited...Daum is the exception to this rule. For fun what other players have we had that would make up our top 10 redshirt list?
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Originally posted by MontanaRabbit View PostWhat rule is that?
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Originally posted by Justwin View PostDaum is the exception to the rule.
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Originally posted by MontanaRabbit View PostTruth. There are lots of variables and it's not a one size fits all deal. The fact is most freshman at our level just aren't ready as true freshman. Daum is the perfect example of that. It's been said many times the coaches really didn't think he'd ever see the floor but he used that redshirt year to transform himself.
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Originally posted by MontanaRabbit View PostTruth. There are lots of variables and it's not a one size fits all deal. The fact is most freshman at our level just aren't ready as true freshman. Daum is the perfect example of that. It's been said many times the coaches really didn't think he'd ever see the floor but he used that redshirt year to transform himself.
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Originally posted by SoDakJack View PostI think that Nate is the perfect example of someone that should have been red-shirted. However, the program just wasn't in a place where that was an option.
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Originally posted by MontanaRabbit View PostExactly. The value of a redshirt year can't be underestimated.
Wolters averaged 10.1 ppg his true freshman year. That jumped to 19.5 his sophomore year, 21.2 ppg his junior year, and 22.3 ppg his senior year.
We were 14-16 his freshman year. I'd trade his freshman year for a chance (probably likely chance...) at a 5th year senior year.
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Originally posted by Rabbitball View PostLet's say that Daum didn't redshirt. How much does he play his freshman year while he is getting his body prepared to play at this level? This year he'd be a senior and we'd be watching the last few games of the greatest player in school history.
I'm all in on scenario 2. If he stays we are in for an unbelievably productive 5th year. I'll take Daum as a 22-23 year old man instead of the pudgy 18 year old kid every day of the week and twice on Sunday. If he transfers? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Wolters averaged 10.1 ppg his true freshman year. That jumped to 19.5 his sophomore year, 21.2 ppg his junior year, and 22.3 ppg his senior year.
We were 14-16 his freshman year. I'd trade his freshman year for a chance (probably likely chance...) at a 5th year senior year.
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Originally posted by wcbsas View PostYes, but he doesn't play his redshirt year ... in order words you get only 3 years of actual game play versus 4 years in the first scenario.
Your math doesn't work ... in scenario #1 you get years 1, 2, 3 & 4 from the player and scenario #2 you get years 2, 3 & 4 (year 1 is a redshirt year and year 5 is lost as he leaves for another school).
At this level you won't likely won't be getting much from a true freshman out of high school. Remember DJJ went to prep school so he's a really a sophomore age-wise.
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Let's say that Daum didn't redshirt. How much does he play his freshman year while he is getting his body prepared to play at this level? This year he'd be a senior and we'd be watching the last few games of the greatest player in school history.
I'm all in on scenario 2. If he stays we are in for an unbelievably productive 5th year. I'll take Daum as a 22-23 year old man instead of the pudgy 18 year old kid every day of the week and twice on Sunday. If he transfers? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Originally posted by BTownJack View PostThe issue is that you get 3 years vs. 4. With the 4th being the most meaningful year for most college athletes. Recruiting is far from a science so I'd rather not bank on the fact I'm going to find the next Daum type player if the previous Daum-type player grad transfers with a year of eligibility remaining.
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Originally posted by SoDakJack View PostAgain, I don't see the issue with scenario #2. If you have a coaching staff that is able to recruit to their game plan, there should be a couple players ready to step into the spot that was open by the grad transfer.
In either scenario you are really only getting 3 full years of meaningful playing time (Jenkins Jr being the exception this year).
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Originally posted by wcbsas View PostYes, but he doesn't play his redshirt year ... in order words you get only 3 years of actual game play versus 4 years in the first scenario.
Your math doesn't work ... in scenario #1 you get years 1, 2, 3 & 4 from the player and scenario #2 you get years 2, 3 & 4 (year 1 is a redshirt year and year 5 is lost as he leaves for another school).
In either scenario you are really only getting 3 full years of meaningful playing time (Jenkins Jr being the exception this year).
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Originally posted by 91jack View PostI can't decide if thinking that one of the freshman couldn't "supplant" a player that plays 9 minutes/game and only averages 1 PPG is good or bad. I really like Lane so I am glad that he gets to play but what does this tell you about our freshmen? I do think that Lane will hit some outside shots so his PPG will come up but that is where he is at now.
I think having a year to sit out helps most players but who knows what will happen four years from now. Will all the the freshmen still be here? Will TJ still be here? Will they all be healthy? Will none of them think about being a grad transfer? If we start winning games in the NCAA tournament will TJ be able to recruit better players and recruit over our freshmen?
I am not the coach so I don't know what they can and can not do, if they are completely healthy or what is up but there are other things to look at for me.
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