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  • Justwin
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    Originally posted by OldHare View Post
    I thought the story that accompanied the recruiting of Daum was that he was scorching the net from 3 pt shots. He needed to get into D1 basketball condition to show the rest of his talent.
    You are correct on that.

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  • OldHare
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    Originally posted by Justwin View Post
    Most will not turn into a Daum just by redshirting a year. For the most part talent is not developed it is recruited...Daum is the exception to this rule. For fun what other players have we had that would make up our top 10 redshirt list?
    I thought the story that accompanied the recruiting of Daum was that he was scorching the net from 3 pt shots. He needed to get into D1 basketball condition to show the rest of his talent.

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  • Justwin
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    Originally posted by MontanaRabbit View Post
    What rule is that?
    Most will not turn into a Daum just by redshirting a year. For the most part talent is not developed it is recruited...Daum is the exception to this rule. For fun what other players have we had that would make up our top 10 redshirt list?

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  • MontanaRabbit
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    Originally posted by Justwin View Post
    Daum is the exception to the rule.
    What rule is that?

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  • SoDakJack
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    Originally posted by MontanaRabbit View Post
    Truth. There are lots of variables and it's not a one size fits all deal. The fact is most freshman at our level just aren't ready as true freshman. Daum is the perfect example of that. It's been said many times the coaches really didn't think he'd ever see the floor but he used that redshirt year to transform himself.
    The guys that are ready to take over a game as a true Freshman probably aren't going to come to SDSU. Those guys gets snapped up by the P5 schools.

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  • Justwin
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    Originally posted by MontanaRabbit View Post
    Truth. There are lots of variables and it's not a one size fits all deal. The fact is most freshman at our level just aren't ready as true freshman. Daum is the perfect example of that. It's been said many times the coaches really didn't think he'd ever see the floor but he used that redshirt year to transform himself.
    Daum is the exception to the rule. For every Daum you can probably find 2 or 3 red shirts that never seen playing time or transferred out. I wish more players would go the prep school route. They gain more by playing than watching plus there is more time to evaluate.

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  • MontanaRabbit
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    Originally posted by SoDakJack View Post
    I think that Nate is the perfect example of someone that should have been red-shirted. However, the program just wasn't in a place where that was an option.
    Truth. There are lots of variables and it's not a one size fits all deal. The fact is most freshman at our level just aren't ready as true freshman. Daum is the perfect example of that. It's been said many times the coaches really didn't think he'd ever see the floor but he used that redshirt year to transform himself.

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  • SoDakJack
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    Originally posted by MontanaRabbit View Post
    Exactly. The value of a redshirt year can't be underestimated.


    Wolters averaged 10.1 ppg his true freshman year. That jumped to 19.5 his sophomore year, 21.2 ppg his junior year, and 22.3 ppg his senior year.

    We were 14-16 his freshman year. I'd trade his freshman year for a chance (probably likely chance...) at a 5th year senior year.
    I think that Nate is the perfect example of someone that should have been red-shirted. However, the program just wasn't in a place where that was an option.

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  • MontanaRabbit
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    Originally posted by Rabbitball View Post
    Let's say that Daum didn't redshirt. How much does he play his freshman year while he is getting his body prepared to play at this level? This year he'd be a senior and we'd be watching the last few games of the greatest player in school history.

    I'm all in on scenario 2. If he stays we are in for an unbelievably productive 5th year. I'll take Daum as a 22-23 year old man instead of the pudgy 18 year old kid every day of the week and twice on Sunday. If he transfers? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    Exactly. The value of a redshirt year can't be underestimated.


    Wolters averaged 10.1 ppg his true freshman year. That jumped to 19.5 his sophomore year, 21.2 ppg his junior year, and 22.3 ppg his senior year.

    We were 14-16 his freshman year. I'd trade his freshman year for a chance (probably likely chance...) at a 5th year senior year.

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  • MontanaRabbit
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    Originally posted by wcbsas View Post
    Yes, but he doesn't play his redshirt year ... in order words you get only 3 years of actual game play versus 4 years in the first scenario.

    Your math doesn't work ... in scenario #1 you get years 1, 2, 3 & 4 from the player and scenario #2 you get years 2, 3 & 4 (year 1 is a redshirt year and year 5 is lost as he leaves for another school).
    Math works fine. 4 compared to 3 if he transfers. I'm not trying to prove you get an equal number of years. The junior year when he redshirts is equal to the senior year when he doesn't with a chance we get a 5th year senior if he redshirts and doesn't transfer.

    At this level you won't likely won't be getting much from a true freshman out of high school. Remember DJJ went to prep school so he's a really a sophomore age-wise.

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  • Rabbitball
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    Let's say that Daum didn't redshirt. How much does he play his freshman year while he is getting his body prepared to play at this level? This year he'd be a senior and we'd be watching the last few games of the greatest player in school history.

    I'm all in on scenario 2. If he stays we are in for an unbelievably productive 5th year. I'll take Daum as a 22-23 year old man instead of the pudgy 18 year old kid every day of the week and twice on Sunday. If he transfers? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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  • SoDakJack
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    Originally posted by BTownJack View Post
    The issue is that you get 3 years vs. 4. With the 4th being the most meaningful year for most college athletes. Recruiting is far from a science so I'd rather not bank on the fact I'm going to find the next Daum type player if the previous Daum-type player grad transfers with a year of eligibility remaining.
    How many "Daum-type" players has SDSU had in it's history? This discussion about losing red-shirts to grad transfer is groundless. How many players have we lost to that rule since it was implemented? Like I said earlier in the thread, I hope that we are talking about how all these red-shirts are thinking about transferring out because that would mean it is the most talented class overall that SDSU has ever seen. I will take that.

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  • BTownJack
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    Originally posted by SoDakJack View Post
    Again, I don't see the issue with scenario #2. If you have a coaching staff that is able to recruit to their game plan, there should be a couple players ready to step into the spot that was open by the grad transfer.

    In either scenario you are really only getting 3 full years of meaningful playing time (Jenkins Jr being the exception this year).
    The issue is that you get 3 years vs. 4. With the 4th being the most meaningful year for most college athletes. Recruiting is far from a science so I'd rather not bank on the fact I'm going to find the next Daum type player if the previous Daum-type player grad transfers with a year of eligibility remaining.

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  • SoDakJack
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    Originally posted by wcbsas View Post
    Yes, but he doesn't play his redshirt year ... in order words you get only 3 years of actual game play versus 4 years in the first scenario.

    Your math doesn't work ... in scenario #1 you get years 1, 2, 3 & 4 from the player and scenario #2 you get years 2, 3 & 4 (year 1 is a redshirt year and year 5 is lost as he leaves for another school).
    Again, I don't see the issue with scenario #2. If you have a coaching staff that is able to recruit to their game plan, there should be a couple players ready to step into the spot that was open by the grad transfer.

    In either scenario you are really only getting 3 full years of meaningful playing time (Jenkins Jr being the exception this year).

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  • wcbsas
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    Originally posted by 91jack View Post
    I can't decide if thinking that one of the freshman couldn't "supplant" a player that plays 9 minutes/game and only averages 1 PPG is good or bad. I really like Lane so I am glad that he gets to play but what does this tell you about our freshmen? I do think that Lane will hit some outside shots so his PPG will come up but that is where he is at now.
    I think having a year to sit out helps most players but who knows what will happen four years from now. Will all the the freshmen still be here? Will TJ still be here? Will they all be healthy? Will none of them think about being a grad transfer? If we start winning games in the NCAA tournament will TJ be able to recruit better players and recruit over our freshmen?
    I am not the coach so I don't know what they can and can not do, if they are completely healthy or what is up but there are other things to look at for me.
    TJ prefers a small rotation of players ... 7 or 8 at the most. That is a challenge when you've got 13 talented players on a roster. Having the ability to redshirt 2, 3 or 4 in a year alleviates for a good part of the roster the "why am I not playing" issue.

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