Michigan GDT

[goon]

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Baseball. Jacks looking pretty good early. And the Royals might actually be halfway decent this year.

(Oh, yeah. Most of y'all are Twins fans. Ah, well . . .)

nope, st louis cardinals fan. Always look forward to interleague, so the cards can get some easy wins over the royals. Thats the nice thing about sports is that once a sport season ends, their is always another sport to follow and so enough we will be talking about how deep of a run SDSU will make in the football playoffs.

[Rabbitball]

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I rarely make predictions, but after the way he blanketed Sports Illustrated's national player of the year on Thursday, I'll be shocked if someone doesn't take him in the first round.It's hard to draw useful conclusions from three-point percentages with no reference to shot volume. Most of these guys could probably raise their percentages into the forties just by being more selective, but I'd say a player who shoots forty percent on threes over the course of a season is being _too_ selective. Factoring in the extra offensive rebounding opportunities, a good target range is typically the low thirties. The real question is how fatigued or closely guarded a player can be and still continue shooting in that range.In other words, a weak three-point shooter should wait until he's open enough to shoot around 32 percent, and a great three-point shooter should keep shooting until defenses find a way to hold him around 32 percent. Then it's a matter of how many threes a player is actually making. (This is an oversimplified generalization, but hopefully it makes sense.)

Alright let's take it a step farther then. Career 3 attempts/game:

Jennings 5.3
Kidd 4.1
Lin 2.1
Parker 1.4
Paul 2.7
Rondo 0.7
Rose 2.5
Rubio 1.8
Westbrook 2.1

Take this as you want, but your 32% threshold seems to be pretty accurate for guys getting a green light to shoot more often. All I'm saying is that Nate is a good enough shooter that if he gets 2-3 attempts per game, he's likely to make one even at NBA range. He's not going to be Rondo or Rubio that you can dare to take shots without worrying too much.

Oh yeah, and do go check out Jacks baseball if you get the chance. If you like pitching our 1-2 combo is tough to beat.

[JackJD]

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The Grantland.com piece is excellent writing, just like the author's work following the Jackrabbits through the conference tourney win last season.

When I read the following from the article, I thought Oh, oh, here comes that 'flagship' dispute again! If readers from any other school take offense, keep in mind it's the author's work!

Compared to most teams from low-major conferences, South Dakota State has a large and dedicated fan base, the result of being the flagship school for this sparsely populated state.

[Kurt_Evans]

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These are career 3 pt percentages:

Brandon Jennings 35.4%
Jason Kidd 34.9%
Jeremy Lin 32.8%
Tony Parker 31.4%
Chris Paul 35.8%
Rajon Rondo 24.1%
Derrick Rose 31%
Ricky Rubio 28.7%
Russell Westbrook 30%

It's hard to draw useful conclusions from three-point percentages with no reference to shot volume. Most of these guys could probably raise their percentages into the forties just by being more selective, but I'd say a player who shoots forty percent on threes over the course of a season is being _too_ selective. Factoring in the extra offensive rebounding opportunities, a good target range is typically the low thirties. The real question is how fatigued or closely guarded a player can be and still continue shooting in that range.

In other words, a weak three-point shooter should wait until he's open enough to shoot around 32 percent, and a great three-point shooter should keep shooting until defenses find a way to hold him around 32 percent. Then it's a matter of how many threes a player is actually making. (This is an oversimplified generalization, but hopefully it makes sense.)

Ooooh. Someone on the board that understands the math behind taking a high volume of 3s.

There's a one-point penalty on shots from inside the arc. Back up or sit down.

Alright let's take it a step farther then. Career 3 attempts/game:

Jennings 5.3
Kidd 4.1
Lin 2.1
Parker 1.4
Paul 2.7
Rondo 0.7
Rose 2.5
Rubio 1.8
Westbrook 2.1

Take this as you want, but your 32% threshold seems to be pretty accurate for guys getting a green light to shoot more often. All I'm saying is that Nate is a good enough shooter that if he gets 2-3 attempts per game, he's likely to make one even at NBA range. He's not going to be Rondo or Rubio that you can dare to take shots without worrying too much.

Thanks for the stats. We agree. And remember that Nate just reworked his shooting mechanics last year. I see him developing into a serious long-range threat as he settles into the pro game.

[NoVaJack]

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Alright let's take it a step farther then. Career 3 attempts/game:

Jennings 5.3
Kidd 4.1
Lin 2.1
Parker 1.4
Paul 2.7
Rondo 0.7
Rose 2.5
Rubio 1.8
Westbrook 2.1

Take this as you want, but your 32% threshold seems to be pretty accurate for guys getting a green light to shoot more often. All I'm saying is that Nate is a good enough shooter that if he gets 2-3 attempts per game, he's likely to make one even at NBA range. He's not going to be Rondo or Rubio that you can dare to take shots without worrying too much.

Oh yeah, and do go check out Jacks baseball if you get the chance. If you like pitching our 1-2 combo is tough to beat.

Regarding Ainge's alleged focus on Wolters and the athlete's natural search for immortality, possibly THE operative comparison vis a vis this year's draft:

Danny Ainge college stats at BYU, 1977-81 (WAC, before 3-point shot):
6-4, 175
20.2 ppg
81.6 FT %
4.6 assists per game
4.6 rebounds per game
52.6% shooting from field
Drafted 31st overall, first player chosen in second round, played 13 years in the NBA, where he amassed 11,964 points and 4,199 assists

Nate Wolters, SDSU, Summit League, 2009-2013
6-4, 193
18.5 ppg
80.2% FT
5.2 assists per game
4.7 rebounds per game
45.4% shooting from field
?????

[joeboo22]

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Regarding Ainge's alleged focus on Wolters and the athlete's natural search for immortality, possibly THE operative comparison vis a vis this year's draft:

Danny Ainge college stats at BYU, 1977-81 (WAC, before 3-point shot):
6-4, 175
20.2 ppg
81.6 FT %
4.6 assists per game
4.6 rebounds per game
52.6% shooting from field
Drafted 31st overall, first player chosen in second round, played 13 years in the NBA, where he amassed 11,964 points and 4,199 assists

Nate Wolters, SDSU, Summit League, 2009-2013
6-4, 193
18.5 ppg
80.2% FT
5.2 assists per game
4.7 rebounds per game
45.4% shooting from field
?????

I'm a little young to remember Ainge but that is 1 name I've heard quite a bit from those that remember Ainge.

[Nidaros]

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I'm a little young to remember Ainge but that is 1 name I've heard quite a bit from those that remember Ainge.

Ainge still looks like a little rodent, who just stole someone cheese. A great player. Lets hope he picks Nate.

[Kurt_Evans]

Ainge still looks like a little rodent ...

Oh, come on. Danny isn't THAT ugly: http://media-cache-ec6.pinterest.com...eta-78_600.jpg

If South Dakota State fans have a flaw, it has to be our unrealistic expectation that other men should be as impossibly good-looking as we are (ha ha).

I didn't intend to turn my speculation into a full-blown rumor, but a big upside of going to the Celtics would be playing for Coach Rivers. I think Doc's picture should be in the dictionary beside the word "classy"...

[yoteforever]

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Not sure it's really hit me that the Nate Wolters era is over!I will reinterate what I said earlier in this thread. When we make the NCAA tournament again, I highly recommend making the trip. The experience was incredible.

It's hit me. Thank God it's over

[MontanaRabbit]

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It's hit me. Thank God it's over

usd actually has a chance to win the Summit now?

[Nidaros]

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Oh, come on. Danny isn't THAT ugly: http://media-cache-ec6.pinterest.com...eta-78_600.jpg

If South Dakota State fans have a flaw, it has to be our unrealistic expectation that other men should be as impossibly good-looking as we are (ha ha).

I didn't intend to turn my speculation into a full-blown rumor, but a big upside of going to the Celtics would be playing for Coach Rivers. I think Doc's picture should be in the dictionary beside the word "classy"...

Now he looks like grampa mouse. He was a fun to watch player in his day and no doubt has the leadership abilities to be the GM. No doubt he knows his own numbers at BYU and hopefully he sees the parallels and picks Nate. I am not sure what kind of animal I look like.

[filbert]

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C'mon, people. Not a smack thread.

(Although the Ainge talk has occasionally approached funny . . .)

[yoteforever]

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usd actually has a chance to win the Summit now?

He was 2-2 against the Coyotes. Not bad

[jackrabbit1979]

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He was 2-2 against the Coyotes. Not bad

Typical response. He said win the Summit now...not win a rivalry game, even though that is how 95% of your fans measure success during the season.

[MontanaRabbit]

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He was 2-2 against the Coyotes. Not bad

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH! That's classic. It's confirmed. All usd cares about is beating the Jacks.