Best coach for the money

[witness]

Re: Best coach for the money

Comparing Dave Boots to Scott Nagy.

Dave Boots has been the head coach at USD for 25 season to just 17 for Scott Nagy. In their respecive careers, Boots has accumlated a a 496-215(.696) W/L record while in 17 seasons, Nagy has a 316-198(.615) W/L record with 138 of those 198 losses coming from D1. So Boots has 19.8 wins/year while Nagy has 18.5 wins/year. Boots went to 10 DII national tournaments(1 ever 1.8 years) along with 6 NCC titles(1 every 3years) and two Elite 8 appearances. While Nagy has been to 8 DII National tournaments(1 every 1.1 years, only missed once) along with 4 NCC titles(1 every 2.25years) and 1 Elite 8 appearance and Summit League title and a D1 National tournament birth in 2012.

You can argue Nagy had a tougher time during the transition years than Boots due to many factors and its not like the Great West is a great conference.

If you look at their whole body of work you could argue Nagy is a better coach that just had a rough few years during the beginning of D1 but is back to the success he had pre-D1 days so to say Boots is a much better coach than Nagy is wrong.

[JimmyJack]

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Food for thought:

Coach Nagy makes $152,000 a year. That's his base salary. I have no idea what his summer camps bring him. It's not enough, but it has increased a good bit in the last few years. Coach Nagy earns every penny of that, and deserves twice that much as far as I'm concerned.

Coach Boots makes $122,780. Boots is an excellent coach, too and that is a very low salary for someone as accomplished as he is.

Both are class acts and South Dakota is lucky to have them coaching its two D1 men's basketball teams.

[OldHare]

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Would Coach Nagy recieve any money for the Jackrabbit Insider that is televised? Sometimes there is money paid to coaches for small endorsements or weekly shows. It is a fact that coaches in South Dakota earn less than most. Although it is evident that sometimes money is not the total reason why success is a result. Congratulate the universities for making the progress that has come to this point. Let's trust that the AD Sell will make more progress for the athletic programs in the future. I would hope that salaries are on that radar as well as the Forbes outfit.

[goon]

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What's all the more impressive that our big 3 sports have had their coaches all for atleast 13 years or what ever it is. So low pay and one year contracts but our coahes are still here and most importantly still winning.

[witness]

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What's all the more impressive that our big 3 sports have had their coaches all for atleast 13 years or what ever it is. So low pay and one year contracts but our coahes are still here and most importantly still winning.

Are one year contracts any different than multi year contracts?? Other than saving the school a buyout I say no. You could have a one year contract or a multi year contract and if you lose consistently every year you are going to be jobless anyways. I just think one year contracts save the school in the long run and if the school was going to prematurely fire a coach because of one year contracts, that school would be tough to find a replacement as no coach would not want to go there with that kind of job uncertainty.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Are one year contracts any different than multi year contracts?? Other than saving the school a buyout I say no. You could have a one year contract or a multi year contract and if you lose consistently every year you are going to be jobless anyways. I just think one year contracts save the school in the long run and if the school was going to prematurely fire a coach because of one year contracts, that school would be tough to find a replacement as no coach would not want to go there with that kind of job uncertainty.

Uh, I'd say it's pretty important to the coach. And the school generally won't be able to attract as good of a coach because of only being able to offer one year contracts.

[witness]

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Uh, I'd say it's pretty important to the coach. And the school generally won't be able to attract as good of a coach because of that.

But did Nagy get fired during his struggles in the transition while having a 1-year contract? No. You are going to get fired if you are incompetent at your job regardless and officially they are only 1 year contracts but I would imagine there is some sort understanding. Sure, the school won't be able to attract as good a coach with one years but this isn't one of the Power 6 conferences and if coaches are coming here they aren't going to be looking for a huge payday. Just win baby and the point of a 1 year contract is mute.

[RabbitObsessed]

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But did Nagy get fired during his struggles in the transition while having a 1-year contract? No. You are going to get fired if you are incompetent at your job regardless and officially they are only 1 year contracts but I would imagine there is some sort understanding. Sure, the school won't be able to attract as good a coach with one years but this isn't one of the Power 6 conferences and if coaches are coming here they aren't going to be looking for a huge payday. Just win baby and the point of a 1 year contract is mute.

I have better things to do than argue (for once), but thinking that there is little difference between being able to offer multiple year contracts vs. single year contracts is insaaaaane.

[witness]

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I have better things to do than argue (for once), but thinking that there is little difference between being able to offer multiple year contracts vs. single year contracts is insaaaaane.

I'm not saying there is no difference at all but I'm just saying too much is made about one year contracts. I'm more worried about how much he is paid. Sure, one year contracts favors the school and multi year contracts favor coaches but it is what it is.

What's worse is Nagy being the 4th lowest paid head coach in the tourney.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...ase/53827374/1

[goon]

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How many other schools or states offer only 1 year contracts?

[2002jack]

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I have much respect and admiration for the SDSU basketball program and what it has become and accomplished in the past few years. However, I 100% believe that Dave Boots is flat out a better coach. Easy to say he isnt based on past few years, but if you consider his whole body of work, I think Boots easily gets the nod. IMO.

UHHH? Easily gets the nod? 100%? Here's some stats.

Head to Head vs. Boots 13-8 (DII 12-7)
4 NCC championships for SDSU in 9 years vs. 6 NCC championships for USD in 20 years. Nagy had 8 out of 9 seasons at DII with 20 wins.

I am not sure how you can EASILY give the nod to Boots.

[filbert]

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UHHH? Easily gets the nod? 100%? Here's some stats.

Head to Head vs. Boots 13-8 (DII 12-7)
4 NCC championships for SDSU in 9 years vs. 6 NCC championships for USD in 20 years. Nagy had 8 out of 9 seasons at DII with 20 wins.

I am not sure how you can EASILY give the nod to Boots.

I've come to the conclusion that . . . well . . . er . . . "discuss posts, not posters" . . .

Never mind . . .

[student]

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How many other schools or states offer only 1 year contracts?

Would be interesting to know that stat.

[joeboo22]

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I don't think 1 year contracts matter when retaining a coach. And I'd even argue that they don't matter much in attracting a coach. At the base pay SDSU (and USD) the base you will attract are D-II coaches who want to move up, or assistants who work on 1 year contracts anyways.

I got the feeling if Nagy is going to leave it will be after this year. Wolters is gone, Hanson seems to be taking more of a role, some other little things I see and hear just make me think if he is going to bolt it will be after this year. And I don't think a 10 year contract would keep him if he wanted to leave. However I hear other things that make me think he is staying, (talking about trip to Haiti with team, hyping up Donlan's shooting ability, etc.)

As far as who is a better coach. Nagy is a better recruiter and organize builder. But Boots is really good with the JuCo ranks in recruiting. Much of Boots success I think evolves around his offense being successful and hoping the team he plays against struggles against a match up zone you don't see too often in D-I hoops. I think Boots is a better Xs and Os coach and actually think Nagy is pretty poor at that, in the games I've watched live Hanson seems to do much of the on the court coaching.

[Crashola]

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I'll echo much of what's been said here and add -- what's with the cheesy picture of the author of the Forbes story? Dude takes himself way to serious. It gave me a good chuckle this morning.