what is wrong with everyone?

[NoVaJack]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

This is good advice.

Actually, I was fearful there the outcry from the armchair experts would be much larger than it has been. I did a little unscientific poll: I counted the number of posters (not posts) who are a little more revved up than others (not being critical, just noting) and I conclude that overall, the fans on this message board have been pretty reasonable in response. We're standing behind this team and coaching staff. I think the title given to this thread "what is wrong with everyone" is unfortunate and probably meaningless. My $0.02.

9-2 still possible, 8-3 eminently attainable, playoffs likely. Would anyone on this board predicted this at the beginning of the season with a negative attachment to it?

[SoDakState]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

all i'm saying is we had a bad game. Mark my word, if we keep TOB in we will make a playoff run THIS year. I may sound crazy but thats what I truly believe.

[Kemo]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

WOW Jacks fans, I am in shock. I am amazed how quickly many of you have turned on this team. All because of one game? I remember when UNI beat us like a drum in week 2, and you had your day in the sun on me and all Coyote Fans, it sucks. But that doesn't mean it's over, because it isn't.

You all should be proud of your team. Disappointed? Sure, but only for a short period of time. It is likely that Minnesota will also give you a pasting, I am not saying they will, but it in all candpr, probably will happen. How are you going to react then?

Right now, if I had polled you on August 15th and asked if you would be happy to be 8-2, one game out of the lead, and a strong contender for a playoff spot, 99.99% of you would have jumped all over it. Well, you are all those things, so suck it up and accept what happened, and move on.

And lastly, there are a large number of Coyote fans cheering for you to make the playoffs. At our tailgate the other day, I know of 4 radios on WNAX listening to the Jacks, and when SIU started running away woth it, there was no collective cheer, actually there was a somehat "downer" buzz that permeated through the tailgate.

So quit whining and get after it. You may have alot of games left this season.

Go ahead and bash me for this, but the tone of this thread and a couple others warrants a wake up blast from outside blue/yellow glasses.

I'm not going to bash you, but rather just disagree with you.

The majority of Jacks fans have not turned on their team, and most of us are still very proud of this team. That said, that's what makes the way we played against SIU so disappointing and why there is more of a negative reaction than if we would have lost by say, 10 points.

The fact is that the Jacks played a horrible game from top to bottom and it draws concern about certain aspects of the team, but I haven't seen anyone say we aren't going to beat WIU or we should fire our coach(es). The fans have a right to critical of the team and they are probably being easier on the players/coaches than they are on themselves, but criticism of the game doesn't mean we have lost faith in the team in the grand scheme of things.

[Nidaros]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

WOW Jacks fans, I am in shock. I am amazed how quickly many of you have turned on this team. All because of one game? I remember when UNI beat us like a drum in week 2, and you had your day in the sun on me and all Coyote Fans, it sucks. But that doesn't mean it's over, because it isn't.

You all should be proud of your team. Disappointed? Sure, but only for a short period of time. It is likely that Minnesota will also give you a pasting, I am not saying they will, but it in all candpr, probably will happen. How are you going to react then?

Right now, if I had polled you on August 15th and asked if you would be happy to be 8-2, one game out of the lead, and a strong contender for a playoff spot, 99.99% of you would have jumped all over it. Well, you are all those things, so suck it up and accept what happened, and move on.

And lastly, there are a large number of Coyote fans cheering for you to make the playoffs. At our tailgate the other day, I know of 4 radios on WNAX listening to the Jacks, and when SIU started running away woth it, there was no collective cheer, actually there was a somehat "downer" buzz that permeated through the tailgate.

So quit whining and get after it. You may have alot of games left this season.

Go ahead and bash me for this, but the tone of this thread and a couple others warrants a wake up blast from outside blue/yellow glasses.

Who is down on the team? I for one am not. When you have two former D2 Head coaches and two extra staff coaches on the staff as they do at SIU and those two top assistants Randy Hedberg(Former Head at St Cloud) and Bubba Schwigert (Former head at Duluth) are possibly making more than 100k, I would think you can put together a winning game plan which they did do. If I am angry at anyone its the past AD and others that have made decisions with funds available that have resulted in an underfunding of the football program. Its a historical problem and its part of the woes of reclassification of D2 to FCS. I, am of the opinion that our football budget is still low and Terry Vandervec has alluded to this in his blogs. Could the understaffing have cause the poor performance Saturday? Possibly, it sure did not help and none of the coaches on our staff are magicians, but I see no reason to hang everything on them either. They are a good bunch that are underpaid but they can do only so much. With two extra motivated staff people, I think a better game plan could have been put together.

If we want to win games like the one last Saturday we need to match the staff of our opponents with all the resources. I have for some time seen a bit of a parellel between a production assembly line, and a football program. It takes a lot of people and good managers to run a production assembly line. The top manager has to rely on assistants and supervisors and so it follows in football.

So as at USD and SDSU there are shortages in staffing, and we should not expect magic game after game when the opponent is prepared to win and you are not.

[JimmyJack]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

So quit whining and get after it. You may have alot of games left this season.

There have been some pretty tough fan reactions here (and in the stands during the game). As for your admonishment to get after it, I couldn't agree more. Thanks, yoteforever.

[SoDakState]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

There have been some pretty tough fan reactions here (and in the stands during the game). As for your admonishment to get after it, I couldn't agree more. Thanks, yoteforever.

amen.

[joeboo22]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

I don't think we should say TOB is the savior..... he doesn't deserve that type of pressure, what I will say though is he is better....

I like to put everything into baseball terms.... Ryan Crawford is the pitcher who is clocked at 88mph with his fastball.... with that everything must be perfect for him to be successful, because with his arsenal he won't get away with mistakes...

TOB is the 96-98 mph fastball.... will he get into trouble? yes, will he make mistakes? yes but his arsenal allows him to get away with some mistakes, that Crawford can't get away with...

[zooropa]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

Could the understaffing have cause the poor performance Saturday? Possibly

However, cf. UNI game.

I would avoid reading too much into the outcome of one game. The sample size is too small.

[SoDakState]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

I don't think we should say TOB is the savior..... he doesn't deserve that type of pressure, what I will say though is he is better....

I like to put everything into baseball terms.... Ryan Crawford is the pitcher who is clocked at 88mph with his fastball.... with that everything must be perfect for him to be successful, because with his arsenal he won't get away with mistakes...

TOB is the 96-98 mph fastball.... will he get into trouble? yes, will he make mistakes? yes but his arsenal allows him to get away with some mistakes, that Crawford can't get away with...

Im not saying he is our savior, but the fact is he is better than Craw and we are a better team with him at QB. If the D can pick it up again and if we make less mistakes all around, we will be a force and a major threat in the playoffs. If we are supposedly better than the NDSU team that beat Minnesota in '07, then why have we lost that confidence? if many of us predicted State to beat SIU last week why have we given up on the playoffs? if we get a second go against SIU in the playoffs, I see a much different result happening...call me mr Optimistic.

[joeboo22]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

thats my view, I'm just saying that we have to be careful not to put really high expectations on a redshirt freshman...

[Nidaros]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

However, cf. UNI game.

I would avoid reading too much into the outcome of one game. The sample size is too small.

So are going to start talking Statistics 101 here and make damn sure we got a 95% confidence level? The sample here is one and that one is SIU coaching staff and more specifically its a comparison of there staff to our staff. Where in gods name do we need to have a sample size that sufficient to meet your criteria? BTW what is your criteria? Whats with this sample size crap?

[Jacks99]

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I'm not down on the team. I haven't had time or really wanted to sift the after game thoughts this week.

Earlier in the week I was wondering about Stig's approach in comparison to SIU. Would have expected Stig to treat it as yet another important game. I think they built it up too much and added too much pressure on themselves. When they didn't get the breaks and momentum plays they turned flat.

Just like the Poly game, this could be one of those losses that help the team grow and Stig alluded to that.

I know the team had the goal of winning the MV this year, but mine was 8-3 and a playoff berth. This team has had incremental steps every year since the move. This year it's putting average teams away early and beating UNI.

I wouldn't turn down a National Championship, but a loss in any round will only set the stage for next year. Time to get exited for this weeks game. With the Goph's needing 1 more win for a bowl, we won't sneak away with one but we may earn it!!

[Prairiehaas]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

I watched a Jackrabbits game 20+ years ago when there were more players on the sidelines than fans in the stands (Jacks won that day against a UND team). The expectations and passion for Jackrabbit football has come a long way from those days.

Time to put this one behind us and look forward to a win in Minneapolis. Go Jacks, 1-0!

[filbert]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

personally, I'm looking forward to the rematch with SIU--in the FCS championship game . . .

[zooropa]

Re: what is wrong with everyone?

So are going to start talking Statistics 101 here and make damn sure we got a 95% confidence level? The sample here is one and that one is SIU coaching staff and more specifically its a comparison of there staff to our staff. Where in gods name do we need to have a sample size that sufficient to meet your criteria? BTW what is your criteria? Whats with this sample size crap?

Simple:

SIU thumps SDSU leading to conclusion that meager salaries & staff size impact competitiveness with 'elite' teams.

What, then is the conclusion to be drawn from the victory over UNI?

UNI has a pedigree and budget that are practically identical to SIU.

If staff size & salary were a meaningful indicator, the UNI game wouldn't have been close either--let alone a victory.

It would be as much a mistake to say, after the UNI victory, that budget and staff -don't matter-, as it would be to say, after the SIU loss, that budget and staff -do matter-.

There is nothing easier than trying to solve problems with money, but if you don't know how to spend it, well, you're the Baltimore Orioles, I guess.