GDT: SDSU v SIU

[SD-STATE]

Re: GDT: SDSU v SIU

They run the same offense, regardless of who's playing QB.

I haven't the foggiest idea why 'ball control' strategy is so hard for some people to understand.

Ball control, ultimately requires moving the ball and getting into scoring situations. We had one touchdown oppurtunity in the first half. Plus when down by 24 points before the half, ball control is not an option, a sound defensive effort is also necessary with a ball control offense. Don't get me wrong I love ball control mentality, run it all four downs. It has to be productive and the defense needs to be stout.

[joeboo22]

Re: GDT: SDSU v SIU

They run the same offense, regardless of who's playing QB.

I haven't the foggiest idea why 'ball control' strategy is so hard for some people to understand.

the offense doesn't have to look like its hung over though while running a "ball control" stratagy.....

Its seems like there is only 1 read when Crawford is in there....

you can say what you want about which QB is better but from watching the game it just seems like the offense is more dimensional and a step faster when O'Brien is in there....

[zooropa]

Re: GDT: SDSU v SIU

Sure. What are you going to give up to take McIntosh's running away? It's still 11 on 11. The guy made some plays with his feet. And he threw some decent balls, too. Good players make plays, and he's tough to defend.

He was also their second stringer. Not as good at a QB's first responsibility.

There are options: the most popular is to have a LB or safety 'spy' the QB: stay in the defensive backfield just short of the line, not engaging a lineman/blocking back after the snap.

It requires trusting your defensive backs to hold the receivers long enough for the D-line and the other linebackers to collapse the pocket (given enough time, the pocket -always- collapses). Once that happens your 'spy' is in front of the QB, not behind him, which gives him an advantage in stopping him.

You will either sacrifice some pressure on the line (most often) or in the backfield but, as I said, if you can trust the rest of your unit to perform, you've got a man in front of the QB waiting for him, instead of behind him, trying to run him down.

[SturgisJeff]

Re: GDT: SDSU v SIU

What I did not like was the defense setting up, SIU coming to the line, seeing the defensive set, looking at their coaches and calling the play. The d taking a chance should not get set until the last second possible not giving the o a chance to see what they are up against. Or else change the d coverage after the call comes in for the o. It looked like the Jacks just sat in the same defensive formation even after the offense got the new call. Iowa State did the same thing last year and killed us.

[zooropa]

Re: GDT: SDSU v SIU

the offense was very staget when he was in there

They run the same offense, regardless of who's playing QB.

I haven't the foggiest idea why 'ball control' strategy is so hard for some people to understand.

[JimmyJack]

Re: GDT: SDSU v SIU

Maybe. Put him up against a defense that will take away those scrambling opportunities and he looks decidedly like a second stringer.

Sure. What are you going to give up to take McIntosh's running away? It's still 11 on 11. The guy made some plays with his feet. And he threw some decent balls, too. Good players make plays, and he's tough to defend.

[joeboo22]

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Crawford is not as mobile ,which I believe is partly due to his knee not being 100 % yet. Last week it was really obvious when he tried to run - not as noticable today,but I still think he is not back to full strenghth yet.

it also seemed like he had no arm strength.... maybe its just TOB has that much more but it seemed like before he got hurt he had decent arm strength.... when they went long to Steffen he just threw it up there, and that was with the wind... it wasn't a bad pass but it just hung up there...

[zooropa]

Re: GDT: SDSU v SIU

I believe SIU's QB was probably more athletic and quicker than anyone we had on the field defensively.

The worst were the broken plays, though. Just about everybody tied up by someone on the SIU squad, everybody out of position, and that just set the table for McIntosh.

Nobody could get released until McIntosh had five or six yards. The guy on McIntosh would be behind him, and couldn't get enough of a grip on him to bring him down, and there'd be no one in front of him.

And that's been a problem for the Jacks for a little while now, and I wish they'd do something about it.

[bigticket1]

Re: GDT: SDSU v SIU

guys.... Was the loss solely Crawfords fault? No but the offense was very staget when he was in there, 1 one big play was a so so short pass and a broken tackle....

The problem I had with Crawford, was his foot work was horrible, when he was passing he looked at one reciever and then sat there.... a couple of those sacks he just sat there or stepped into the line....

The offense seems to run a lot smoother with TOB in there, the outs are not jumped because 1st he has a strong enough arm to get it there and 2 they have respect for the deep ball on the pump fake....

Crawford is not as mobile ,which I believe is partly due to his knee not being 100 % yet. Last week it was really obvious when he tried to run - not as noticable today,but I still think he is not back to full strenghth yet.

[zooropa]

Re: GDT: SDSU v SIU

and then a poor snap/catch on the punt?

And then Priddy couldn't even get into the end zone to take a safety instead of setting up SIU for a cupcake TD.

That was just, I mean, when you've got something that blows up in your face, and then blows up in your face again, and then the guy trying to minimize the damage can't even do that.............. Yeaaaaiiikes.

[SD-STATE]

Re: GDT: SDSU v SIU

guys.... Was the loss solely Crawfords fault? No but the offense was very staget when he was in there, 1 one big play was a so so short pass and a broken tackle....

The problem I had with Crawford, was his foot work was horrible, when he was passing he looked at one reciever and then sat there.... a couple of those sacks he just sat there or stepped into the line....

The offense seems to run a lot smoother with TOB in there, the outs are not jumped because 1st he has a strong enough arm to get it there and 2 they have respect for the deep ball on the pump fake....

He held on to the ball way to long at times. Which doesn't help pass protection at all.

[SD-STATE]

Re: GDT: SDSU v SIU

Maybe. Put him up against a defense that will take away those scrambling opportunities and he looks decidedly like a second stringer.

His ability played right into the Jacks' weakness. Hopefully they can bring in someone, somehow, or study some film, or read some books, or do something to keep broken plays from turning into first downs.

I agree, the QB awarness of the DL today was horrible. Maybe we have to play a little more Zone coverage with more attention given to the QB by possibly a linebacker. Although it might not have done much good, From what I saw, I believe SIU's QB was probably more athletic and quicker than anyone we had on the field defensively.

[joeboo22]

Re: GDT: SDSU v SIU

guys.... Was the loss solely Crawfords fault? No but the offense was very staget when he was in there, 1 one big play was a so so short pass and a broken tackle....

The problem I had with Crawford, was his foot work was horrible, when he was passing he looked at one reciever and then sat there.... a couple of those sacks he just sat there or stepped into the line....

The offense seems to run a lot smoother with TOB in there, the outs are not jumped because 1st he has a strong enough arm to get it there and 2 they have respect for the deep ball on the pump fake....

[bub94]

Re: GDT: SDSU v SIU

I'm gonna borrow a line just for laughs. SIU didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. They didn't do anything we didn't expect them to do. :-)

So on a serious part, SDSU did do a lot wrong in this game they didn't do against UNI. What was up with the poor snap in shotgun and then a poor snap/catch on the punt? Wow, what a killer possesion. That was at least 30 yards taken backwards in 2 plays by poor execution. Gimme touchdown for SIU. I also agree with the post in regards to someone finally jumping our 'outs'. It just didn't look like they were comfortable with throwing deep with Crawford today and were settling for 5 yard passes.

On the comments regarding the cheers for Thomas. I really thought the QB change would be made at halftime. And I'm not throwing blame on Crawford. I was all for him being the starter after coming back from his injury. I just would have start the second half with Thomas.

Something just wasn't clicking today. Some was play calling. Minett was able to run and get yards. First down run for 5 yards, then just straight to pass for the next 2 downs. He could have run the ball all day but we went away from it. What about the tackling? This was the worst tackling I have seen in a long time. It wasn't a very good display of wrapping up the ballcarrier. I have enjoyed the past 4-5 years with these seniors and wish this wasn't the result of their senior day.

Can you really rough the passer when the passer is a running back sweeping out to the sidelines? Who knew. Hope they get pissed about how the game went and take it out on Minnesota next week.

SIU was a very good team. This game should have been a lot closer.

[SD-STATE]

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Fans are most definitely allowed to complain. That's not what I'm saying at all.

These people did not "generally have a good attitude." I guess I was kind of thinking to myself, if you don't enjoy the games, why do you show up. These were the types of fans who would complain loudly if we were up 27-3. And there seemed to be a lot of them in my general vicinity.

I know I was complaining during the game. Maybe my expectations of our level of performance was to high. There was much to complain about in my eyes. Crawford could not even hit O'Brien in warm-up tosses at the end of the half on the field. I don't know why we don't have our number one RB in at the goalline. I don't know why we can't mix some play-action in the playcalling in the same situation. Like I said, alot to complain about. I'm sure there were complaints made by the coaches on the head-sets too. Just the way it is when a team doesn't perform the way they are capable. I'm sure alot of people didn't expect to get handed to like we did today. As a result, people are going to be a little sour. The crucial mental mistakes result in a lot of complaints where I was sitting. Fully justified as far as I'm concerned.