GDT: SDSU v SIU

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I have to agree with this when pertaining to our play calling when the quarterback is under center. When we run Ace or I Formation, the defense knows exactly what we are doing (either a straight ahead run or a 3 step drop pass). I am all for call control and commitment to the run, but you can do this without being vanilla about it. Where are the counters, play action, bootlegs, traps, zone stretches, and draws out of these under center formations? The opposing linebackers know almost from the instant of the snap whether to be coming up to stop the run or dropping back in their zone, and we provide no reason for them to think twice about what to do.

And yet somehow, we have the #5 rusher in FCS. Something doesn't add up here.

The defense can know EXACTLY what you are running as long as everybody executes, which is a strong point of this team. We didn't do a very good job of executing yesterday on offense, defense, or special teams.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with our play calling, regardless of who is under center.

[JimmyJack]

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And I'm sure out there, there are some fans that would feel a regime change would not be a bad idea.

I have not heard a single person allude to that at all. Not a hint. Not a whisper. Nothing. I don't know why you mentioned it. If you think you've caught in inkling of that here, I think you're reading way too much into some innocent second-guessing by anonymous people on a discussion board.

This isn't NDSU or USD. We're 7-2 and heading to the playoffs if we take care of business.

[jackrabit1]

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Well, I didn't make it to the game as I had planned (bad fan, I know!)... but I did catch the game on-line. Some of my thoughts...

1) I wonder if the team didn't put TOO much pressure on itself. You go in with a lot on the line, against a very good team with a coach that's had Stig's number since the D-II days and I wonder if they didn't get the "Deer caught in headlights" look. I think of USF when they played UND... Granted the S@$*x were supposedly the better team, but the Coo went up there with the attitude that they had nothing to lose. And it worked! I think we gotta have that attitude next week against U of M, along with a big chip on our shoulders.

2) A lot of people seem to be upset with Stig and the coaching staff because we got shellacked. A lot of second-guessing and "Sunday Morning Quarterbacking". And I'm sure out there, there are some fans that would feel a regime change would not be a bad idea. Well, that idea reeks of "Throwing the Baby out with the bathwater."

Yeah, SIU gave us a big bloody nose yesterday; it happens. Hell, Iowa lost to an "inferior" team in Northwestern yesterday, so it doesn't just happen to us. But I can remember the last time we got our noses bloodied (or muddied) at home... Filbert and the old-timers call it "The Game that Shall Not Be Mentioned". A lot of people called for Stig's head then, too. So what happened? Seven wins in a row, plus a top-25 finish to round out the season plus a game away from a conference title.

We got embarrassed at home yesterday, no doubt about it. But I'm not ready to go into full-blown panic mode yet. We're 7-2, two more games to go in the season. There's no reason we can't go 1-0 for the next two Saturdays. You have a Minnesota squad who's probably overlooking us and then you have a struggling Western Illinois team. If the Jacks can use this game for motivation (or "tackling fuel" as they say in "The Waterboy"), I'm gonna feel sorry for the Gophers and Leathernecks. And if we play SIU in the playoffs, I'm gonna feel sorry for the Salukis, too!

I have been, and always will be, a Jackrabbit fan. Live long and prosper, dudes!

[1stRowFANatic]

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I just saw this post after wading through the all-night argument and ..... WHAT THE HECK? Bad enough to lose a football game, but now to be told red beer doesn't cure a hangover. .... What the heck??????

Lord I wish this comment had been about 10 pages ago. I will try to remember to give rep points as soon as I can again.

[joeboo22]

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I just saw this post after wading through the all-night argument and ..... WHAT THE HECK? Bad enough to lose a football game, but now to be told red beer doesn't cure a hangover. .... What the heck??????

the only way to cure a hang over is to get drunk again.... no joke, my wellness teacher told us it....

[Prairiehaas]

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Red beer ain't food.

[NoVaJack]

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RO when I was younger I thought knew quite a bit. As I aged I learned I wasn't nearly as smart as I thought. I learned that there is no food that cures a hangover, no line that makes a woman amorous, no pill that makes a man thin, no secret formula for stock trading, and no magic system in sports to guarantee a win.
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I just saw this post after wading through the all-night argument and ..... WHAT THE HECK? Bad enough to lose a football game, but now to be told red beer doesn't cure a hangover. .... What the heck??????

[RabbitObsessed]

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Keep fighting the good fight, Zoo.

[zooropa]

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"Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is interesting, but what they conceal is vital."

True, but the kind of differences some have asserted (e.g. 'they can't stack the box with TOB') must show up in the stats to be valid.

'can't stack the box' = more rushing yards per attempt, yet the difference between yards per attempt under TOB & Crawford is negligible.

Whether it's Crawford or TOB (or Whittier or Mondol) the Jacks are going to be running a Gerber strained carrots offense this year, and the results have been pretty consistent regardless of QB.

[JackFan96]

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Couple of things:

1. We need to put this one in the past. Hope it can be done.
2. My two cents is O'Brien needs to start.
3. We got taken to the woodshed yesterday, and we need to give credit where credit is due. We were outcoached and outplayed...and it wasn't even close.
4. We can now stop talking about the prospect of a home playoff game.

[SturgisJeff]

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That being said, Everyone step back, take a deep breath and forget this debacle. There are two more games to play and let the coaches decide who plays. They are a team and not finger pointing at each other as to who lost the game. The TEAM lost the game. We are a team on this board who supports SDSU Athletics. Lets act like it and keep it friendly and not point fingers at ourselves as to who is right and who is wrong. We are friends here and let's keep it that way.

[SturgisJeff]

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FWIW. On WNAX when Obrien came in even the announcers were saying on some of the passes that he threw that if it was Crawford the pass would have been picked off. They commented on the fact that OBrien passes with more on the ball not allowing the defensive back time to step in for a chance at the pick. These were the same out passes that Crawford was throwing that did get picked, the TD. Just saying.

[JackFan96]

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I was stunned -- really stunned -- that Stig put O'Brien in. I didn't have a problem with it, but I was surprised. We looked better when he came in, but...it has to be understood that he came in when we were, what? 24 points down or more? Defenses play differently when it's 31-3 than when it's 0-0. I think that's a fair point to make.

Best quote about statistics I've ever heard: "Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is interesting, but what they conceal is vital."

[launcher46]

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I am shocked that some people on here think that there is no difference between Crawford and TOB. In my opinion, TOB needs to start from this point going forward because he gives the team the best chance to win against Minnesota or a team like Montana in the playoffs. I don't need to look at any statistics to form this opinion, the eye ball test is enough. Over the past two years I have seen that TOB has the confidence, talent, tools, and upside necessary to beat a team like Minnesota. I have simply not seen that out of Crawford. The ball gets out of his hand faster, the ball gets to receivers faster, and he does not stare down receivers to the extent that Crawford does.

The players on the sidelines and on the field seemed energized by the presence of TOB in the game. Coach Stig is incredibly loyal and it is great that he is that way. But, I know in this situation he will make the right decision and be responsible to the other 100 guys on the team. TOB is talented enough to play with the type of players Minnesota has. We know what Crawford brings to the table against the Gophers good and bad... TOB has the natural ability to just get hot and throw for five touchdowns. We don't know how high his upside can be.

[joeboo22]

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First of all I don't cheer the benching of a guy, though I did think the move was needed.... I do think you have to understand a couple of things with that move
1) back up QB's are always very popular
2) TOB is loved because of his big play ability
3) we were getting pounded and the fans wanted something to change....

second of all I don't give a rats @ss about stats.... there is that saying "stats don't lie" I'm a baseball guy and I here it all the time, but my response to it is, "they don't always tell the truth either" but I'll respond like this some of Crawfords throws including the big play were passes thrown behind the reciever.... that play was like 30 yards in the stats but was a 7 yard pass play....

I look at the game and at QB I look at 3 things, 1 how the team around them responds and it seemed as if the team was quicker, and sharper under TOB, 2 I look at how the offense flows, and it seems to flow better with TOB, and 3 I look at leadership/QB smartness, and early on in the season I thought Crawford had this but as of late I don't see a difference or if anything TOB is better at it....

Crawford before his injury had the ability to go deep, now it wasn't the prettiest deep ball ever, but it got the job done, since coming back it just isn't there....