SDSU vs Montana to be televised

[NightHawk78]

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[quote author=jackphd link=1152204733/0#12 date=1152300619][Clearly uncbearsfan is right that TV has really benefited recruiting at UNC. Oh, wait, they were 2-9 in 2004 and 4-7 in 2005. So... maybe not so much.

They may have only gone 2-9 and 4-7 but look how well they did against us. What's that? Wait, I'm sorry I had my facts messed up. Never mind.[/quote]

I have a gut feeling that UNC will have its own thread in the smack section come football season since they will know what Morningside was going through before they left the NCC.........have fun in the BS Conference. :

[uncbearsfan]

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[quote author=jackphd link=1152204733/0#12 date=1152300619][Clearly uncbearsfan is right that TV has really benefited recruiting at UNC. Oh, wait, they were 2-9 in 2004 and 4-7 in 2005. So... maybe not so much.

They may have only gone 2-9 and 4-7 but look how well they did against us.  What's that?  Wait, I'm sorry I had my facts messed up.  Never mind.[/quote]


Why the smack?

[jackphd]

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[quote author=MilwaukeeJacksAlum link=1152204733/0#14 date=1152302549][quote author=jackphd link=1152204733/0#12 date=1152300619][Clearly uncbearsfan is right that TV has really benefited recruiting at UNC. Oh, wait, they were 2-9 in 2004 and 4-7 in 2005. So... maybe not so much.

They may have only gone 2-9 and 4-7 but look how well they did against us. What's that? Wait, I'm sorry I had my facts messed up. Never mind.[/quote]


Why the smack? [/quote]

I guess because you were making a dubious point with what is obviously weak evidence to back it up.

And that's some pretty minor smack to be getting all whiny about.

[uncbearsfan]

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My point is that SDSU would be wise imo to really push for a tv deal, atleast areound the state of South Dakota. That's all

[gojacksgo]

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I got that out of him too. I did not think that he deserved to be smacked. They got an invite to the Mid Con, and accepted it - let's get over it. How can we blame them?

On the tv deal, it would probably benefit SDSU to get on tv once or twice a year. It may hurt attendance, but there could also be much more benefits to it.

USD gets on tv once a year - does that hurt them?

[jackphd]

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I got that out of him too. I did not think that he deserved to be smacked. They got an invite to the Mid Con, and accepted it - let's get over it. How can we blame them?

On the tv deal, it would probably benefit SDSU to get on tv once or twice a year. It may hurt attendance, but there could also be much more benefits to it.

USD gets on tv once a year - does that hurt them?

My comments directly addressed the assertion in uncbearsfan's post: That UNC's TV deal was somehow so great for their recruiting. If someone suggests that TV has made a great impact on a program, is it not relevant to check and see if any facts support or refute that? I didn't say a word about the Big Sky Conference (that's where they're going, not the Mid-Con) and I have posted in the past (as OK_Jackrabbit) that I was glad that UNC got into a conference.

Read the thread. Respond to the facts, as I did in my post. Don't make up phantom smack where it doesn't exist. Did getting on the regional sports network make some great impact at UNC? Not in the past couple of years it didn't. Football? Basketball? Show me the big recruiting change.

To gojacksgo: USD pays to get on TV once a year (their fans' denials here notwithstanding... I know the management of KELO. And USD -- the foundation or somebody there-- pays to get those games on the air. Period.) I think the SDSU athletic department administration's strategy of funding scholarships and strategically upgrading facilities before throwing away money on low-rated television is wise. Others want us to instantly be a Big Ten school. We're not. Right now nobody is going to pay SDSU to broadcast its games. That's a fact.

[filbert]

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The trick to getting on TV is to finding enough money to buy the advertising to pay for the air time. Whether or not that money is funneled through the SDSU Foundation or directly to the TV station (or cable channel) is relatively unimportant.

UNC happens to be fortunately placed in an area that's covered by two regional sports networks--Fox Sports Rocky Mountain and Altitude. Both need to fill air time to give their sponsors value-for-ad-money. There's only one regional network in the Upper Midwest, Fox Sports North (Minnesota). Simple supply and demand would suggest that it will be more expensive for SDSU to buy their way onto FSN-Minnesota than it is for UNC to get onto one of the two Front Range-oriented sports networks. Now, this is balanced by the fact that the Front Range is relatively more sports-saturated than the Upper Midwest is--pretty much the same amount of pro sports, but instead of just the U of M, you have CU, CSU, Air Force, Wyoming before you even get to UNC and the Big Sky.

Now, if y'all want to take an interesting approach to this, find a list of the 20 to 50 largest companies operating in S.D. and send their marketing departments very polite messages saying how incredibly cool it would be if their company sponsored SDSU athletics and that you'd definitely do more business with them if they did so. Note especially that these don't have to be S.D.-based businesses. Heck, drop Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft a note if you're really, really serious about this.

I believe that SDSU pays to be on WNAX. It sure would be nice if we could find enough corporate sponsors to not have to do that any more.

[1stRowFANatic]

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Great Idea Filbert on customers contacting companies. I routinely email compainies that come out with insultingly stupid advertising campaigns, telling them I won't buy their product until the ad campaign is changed. I have been contacted twice by companies asking for more information from me about the ads. Did I cause them to change the campaigns? NO, but they do listen to ideas from customers. Oh yeah, I also let them know when they change that I will consider the product again.

I will be contacting companies on a positive/suggestive note, and if a company does sponser a game, they will get business from me.

[jackphd]

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The trick to getting on TV is to finding enough money to buy the advertising to pay for the air time. Whether or not that money is funneled through the SDSU Foundation or directly to the TV station (or cable channel) is relatively unimportant.

UNC happens to be fortunately placed in an area that's covered by two regional sports networks--Fox Sports Rocky Mountain and Altitude. Both need to fill air time to give their sponsors value-for-ad-money. There's only one regional network in the Upper Midwest, Fox Sports North (Minnesota). Simple supply and demand would suggest that it will be more expensive for SDSU to buy their way onto FSN-Minnesota than it is for UNC to get onto one of the two Front Range-oriented sports networks. Now, this is balanced by the fact that the Front Range is relatively more sports-saturated than the Upper Midwest is--pretty much the same amount of pro sports, but instead of just the U of M, you have CU, CSU, Air Force, Wyoming before you even get to UNC and the Big Sky.

Now, if y'all want to take an interesting approach to this, find a list of the 20 to 50 largest companies operating in S.D. and send their marketing departments very polite messages saying how incredibly cool it would be if their company sponsored SDSU athletics and that you'd definitely do more business with them if they did so. Note especially that these don't have to be S.D.-based businesses. Heck, drop Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft a note if you're really, really serious about this.

I believe that SDSU pays to be on WNAX. It sure would be nice if we could find enough corporate sponsors to not have to do that any more.

It's a good idea, but I'm not sure the economics work here. Even if every single ad slot is sold for a Saturday afternoon or evening program on KELO, it's probably not going to exceed the cost of putting together a live, multi-camera, 3-hour, remote production. My point is that production is expensive and it is doubtful that in this market you could see enough sales to overcome those costs without a subsidy from somebody (SDSU).

[NightHawk78]

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UNC happens to be fortunately placed in an area that's covered by two regional sports networks--Fox Sports Rocky Mountain and Altitude. Both need to fill air time to give their sponsors value-for-ad-money. There's only one regional network in the Upper Midwest, Fox Sports North (Minnesota). Simple supply and demand would suggest that it will be more expensive for SDSU to buy their way onto FSN-Minnesota than it is for UNC to get onto one of the two Front Range-oriented sports networks.

Yet another reason why the common sports fan in the Upper Midwest got hosed when Fox used its influence to prevent Victory Sports (Pohlad's ill-fated attempt get increased TV revenue for the Twins) from ever getting off the ground. FSN North claims to be more focused for regional sports, but I still see a ton of national programming and not much for college sports outside of Gopher hockey.

[gojacksgo]

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Very true on Fox Sports Net - If Victory Sports would have been launched, it would have been very nice for all sports fans in the Midwest. Instead, cable companies didn't buy the channel, which would not have been too much - hell they better not pay for the Sci-Fi Channel or Women's Entertainment then either.

[uncbearsfan]

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UNC happens to be fortunately placed in an area that's covered by two regional sports networks--Fox Sports Rocky Mountain and Altitude.  Both need to fill air time to give their sponsors value-for-ad-money.

Altitude more then anything has helped UNC, as we have paid FSRM to televise games. This is a tv station launched by Stan Kroenke who owns the Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avelanche and Colorado Rapids (MLS) and the Pepsi Center I believe. This station is extremely regional. Focusing on UNC and some of the other smaller schools in the state as well as exclusive rights to televise Nuggets games. Does South Dakota have someone that can help out create a station like this? I really think Kroenke was smart for doing this. Hopefully some one in SD can pull something like that off. As for jackphd's response that it really hasn't helped our recruits, I would hold off on that because I do believe we have had some good young players in commit to UNC since we have been on tv. I am not saying they are at UNC just because we're on tv, but it certainly doesn't hurt. It's been very positive towards other people in Colorado who still think of UNC as a d2 school and has helped the exposure of being in the Big Sky. I also don't think having tv games will hurt your attendance either. We had record number of attendance last season despite having 4 or 5 games on tv.

[jackphd]

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[quote author=filbert link=1152204733/15#21 date=1152385731]

UNC happens to be fortunately placed in an area that's covered by two regional sports networks--Fox Sports Rocky Mountain and Altitude. Both need to fill air time to give their sponsors value-for-ad-money.

Altitude more then anything has helped UNC, as we have paid FSRM to televise games. This is a tv station launched by Stan Kroenke who owns the Denver Nuggets, Colorado Avelanche and Colorado Rapids (MLS) and the Pepsi Center I believe. This station is extremely regional. Focusing on UNC and some of the other smaller schools in the state as well as exclusive rights to televise Nuggets games. Does South Dakota have someone that can help out create a station like this? I really think Kroenke was smart for doing this. Hopefully some one in SD can pull something like that off. As for jackphd's response that it really hasn't helped our recruits, I would hold off on that because I do believe we have had some good young players in commit to UNC since we have been on tv. I am not saying they are at UNC just because we're on tv, but it certainly doesn't hurt. It's been very positive towards other people in Colorado who still think of UNC as a d2 school and has helped the exposure of being in the Big Sky. I also don't think having tv games will hurt your attendance either. We had record number of attendance last season despite having 4 or 5 games on tv. [/quote]


If there's anybody in SD with the money to start a TV network, I hope they contribute to our scholarship endowment instead. Face it, you're in a different kind of market there. Good for UNC getting its games on the air. Maybe it will boost recruiting. Maybe not. Who knows? Right now our athletic administration has made a strategic decision to work on scholarship endowment and facility enhancements. It's the right move. SDSU isn't hurting for profile around here. UNC is in a more populous area with more sports competition. SDSU is the largest university, and the only D1 in the state. TV will happen, but not for a while.

[jackrabit1]

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I really thought the PAX station in South Dakota would have been great to have area and college sports on the air (with the exception of Ryan Gunn, of course!)

But I wonder if they didn't overextend themselves with the State Tournament broadcasts.

I think most area college FB broadcasts in SD are basically time bought by the schools, with advertisements helping to recoup some of the costs... I know that's the case at my radio station.

[jackphd]

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How about SDPTV? Last year they picked up the Nebraska Public Broadcasting telecast of UNO/Augie. Maybe they could pick up SDSU/Montana? Before anybody gripes about SDPTV, I can tell you that they're a good bunch of people down there who do their best with the resources they have. And I think they do pretty well. Maybe somebody (other than me, since I work with them from time to time) should contact Bob Bosse, the man in charge of television at SDPB, and suggest it. Bob is a good guy, and it can't hurt to ask.

Bob Bosse
Television Director
605-677-6267
Bob.Bosse@state.sd.us

I would suggest providing Bob with as much detail about the broadcast as you can get (the name of the Montana station, the date and time, etc.) This would only work if the Montana station will provide the telecast without cost, but I suppose that is possible.