If someone new, then who?

[Rabbitlivinginverm]

Re: If someone new, then who?

[quote author=Rabbitlivinginverm link=1157256939/30#35 date=1157423496]How about Karl Ballard?  The players loved him when he was here.  He's coaching the D-line at Colorado St.  He's young, which could mean he's inexperienced, but he made his way up from Special Teams Coordinator to Defensive Coordinator/Assistant Head Coach in just 3 years at State.

Karl would be an excellent choice, but Stig is still our coach. Unless he resigns or the adminstration feels they need to make a change, Stig is still in charge. I dont think losing to a D3 school is reason to fire a coach. Call me out for whatever, [/quote]

I won't call anyone out.  But I've never thought Stig was the right man for the job.  As CatchEm's wife stated, she was surprised he didn't start this thread 2 years ago.  Stig has many great quailities, but a winning tradition isn't one of them.  It's good he has the rest of the year to prove this game was a fluke, he's going to need it.

[jackmd]

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I won't call anyone out.  But I've never thought Stig was the right man for the job.  As CatchEm's wife stated, she was surprised he didn't start this thread 2 years ago.  Stig has many great quailities, but a winning tradition isn't one of them.  It's good he has the rest of the year to prove this game was a fluke, he's going to need it.

If it isn't obvious, I come down on this side of the fence, too. I remember when he was hired everyone discussing how nice a man he is and how great he will be for the kids. All very true. He is a great man and an average football coach. Just my opinion here. Most I spoke to at the time didn't expect him to take this team to the promised land of football playoff lore. He did an average job all-around. Then, transition and during transition some stability is needed. Stig provided that.

As for big wins against DI teams, he has a couple, Southern, NDSU, UCDavis. Transition time is over and I think the Stig era may be over after this year to. Not sure who the replacement will be and I don't need for there to be one. I just think its that time. Again, just opinions and whoever is coaching the Jacks has my support while they are coaching.

[SD4Life]

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I heard something interesting tonight while watching the ESPN full-circle broadcast on ESPNU.  A fan had emailed Colin Cowherd asking about Virginia and the leash that Al Groh was on.  Colin discussed how he thought there wasn't a good culture at Virginia and until they would update facilities and start putting money into the football program they would always remain mediocre.  

Sounds very familiar to me.

I live in Virginia, and I can tell you that facilities and money are not the problem. UVa has a very nice stadium that seats 60,000-plus, and the school has among the wealthiest alumni base of any public school (and all but a select few private schools) in the country. If you want to see what lots of rich doctors and lawyers and bankers and developers can buy a school, check out UVa's new basketball arena this season. Almost makes the Ralph Engelstad Arena in Grand Forks look like a shed.

The problem with UVA is Al Groh. Period.

[Haldersham]

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I think we all need to take a couple steps back and take a deep breath.

1.  The loss Saturday night was about as emberassing as I can remember for not only SDSU but for any school.  Losing to a school two classes down is brutal!  It can't be blamed on the weather, field, or turnovers.  We weren't ready to go!

2.  We need to give the team a chance to respond.  We'll find out what kind of coaching staff and team leaders we have by how they bounce back.  If they come back and have a good season from here on out we have to applaud there efforts as much as we are critisizing them now.

3.  Kneejerk reactions aren't going to help anything.  I remember when there was a lot of talk about whether Nagy is the right guy and all I could think was that we would be crazy to get rid of a guy with a .800 win percentage.  If we would have let Nagy go, what kind of candidate would go to a school that releases coaches with that kind of record?  Not the kind we want!  Stig doesn't have those numbers to stand on but I have been very happy with how things have gone since we moved up.  I admit having concerns coming into D-I if he was the guy, but he has performed well.  He deserves a chance to turn it around!

4. The team needs us to rise up and continue to support them now more than ever!  I challenge everyone to stay behind the team and trust Dr. Oien to deal with the other stuff!

I'll be watching the Jacks on the TV this weekend and cheering them on and hope they turn it around this week.  If UW-Lacrosse can come back from the defeat we gave them a year ago and turn it into a win the following year, why can't we do the same?

GO BIG, GO BLUE, GO BEAT MONTANA!!!

From you're resident optimist!

SUPERBUNNY

+++++++++++++++AMEN AMEN++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[cactus_jack]

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Let's play a game of role reversal. We are going to have the coaching staff come and watch you at work. You are going to be sick(muddy field), your co-workers are going to be between the ages of 18-22 years old, and you get a promotion and livelihood is based on the performance of 18-23 year olds. Which we all know can be sparatic at times. When the day is over the coaching staff is going to critique you on the internet and tell you how bad you are at your job and decide whether or not you are fired on that day. Give me a break. Yes, it was a tough loss. Do you not think the coaches realize that. They work more hours in one week than most of you do in two or three weeks. They put their heart, soul, personalities, marriages on the line every week and try and entertain the fans and win games. Trust me when I say this, the coaches feel worse about it than anybody on this board posting, the players probably can't sleep at night because of it. But you know what, +_it happens. That is life, especially in football. Do not forget they are college students giving their all every saturday for you on that field. I 100% support the coaches, administration, and player of the best school in America; SDSU. Win, lose, or draw. They are a good football team that is still in the transition period of growing pains. This loss hurts no doubt, but there are 10 more games...if we would support the Jacks and give money as much as we complain maybe that would be a difference.

Side note: How does Daktronics Field (field turf) at Coughlin Alumni Stadium sound?

[Rabbitlivinginverm]

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Let's play a game of role reversal.  We are going to have the coaching staff come and watch you at work.  You are going to be sick(muddy field), your co-workers are going to be between the ages of 18-22 years old, and you get a promotion and livelihood is based on the performance of 18-23 year olds.  Which we all know can be sparatic at times.  When the day is over the coaching staff is going to critique you on the internet and tell you how bad you are at your job and decide whether or not you are fired on that day.  Give me a break.  Yes, it was a tough loss.  Do you not think the coaches realize that.  They work more hours in one week than most of you do in two or three weeks.  They put their heart, soul, personalities, marriages on the line every week and try and entertain the fans and win games.  Trust me when I say this, the coaches feel worse about it than anybody on this board posting, the players probably can't sleep at night because of it.  But you know what, +_it happens.  That is life, especially in football.  Do not forget they are college students giving their all every saturday for you on that field.  I 100% support the coaches, administration, and player of the best school in America; SDSU.  Win, lose, or draw.  They are a good football team that is still in the transition period of growing pains.  This loss hurts no doubt, but there are 10 more games...if we would support the Jacks and give money as much as we complain maybe that would be a difference.

Side note:  How does Daktronics Field (field turf) at Coughlin Alumni Stadium sound?

I'm not basing my opinion on 1 bad game. It's based off 10 years of 6-5 records. This was just icing on the cake. I do agree, we are a good football team and there are 10 games left. Let's hope we can put this loss behind us with a win at Montana.

[ndsubison]

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Sorry about this game, Jack fans.  I thought my tv was broken when I saw the score scroll on ESPN.  Ouch.  Field conditions may have slowed down the Jacks' DI "speed" but that's still no excuse.  There should be no excuses.  It is a clear indictment on your program.  I like SDSU and as a Bison fan'Great West/Mid-Con partner I guess I expect more.  I hope you can get the ship righted and in a hurry.  In Fargo, we expect to win every game.  In fact, I expect to beat Minnesota.  I expected to beat Montana.  Results coincide with expectations.  Do what you need to do but winning is an attitude.  That's where it starts.  You can do it. Oh, and good luck in Missoula. I'm afraid you're going to need it. :-[

GO BISON!!

[jackphd]

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[quote author=cactus jack link=1157256939/45#49 date=1157494476]Let's play a game of role reversal. We are going to have the coaching staff come and watch you at work. You are going to be sick(muddy field), your co-workers are going to be between the ages of 18-22 years old, and you get a promotion and livelihood is based on the performance of 18-23 year olds. Which we all know can be sparatic at times. When the day is over the coaching staff is going to critique you on the internet and tell you how bad you are at your job and decide whether or not you are fired on that day. Give me a break. Yes, it was a tough loss. Do you not think the coaches realize that. They work more hours in one week than most of you do in two or three weeks. They put their heart, soul, personalities, marriages on the line every week and try and entertain the fans and win games. Trust me when I say this, the coaches feel worse about it than anybody on this board posting, the players probably can't sleep at night because of it. But you know what, +_it happens. That is life, especially in football. Do not forget they are college students giving their all every saturday for you on that field. I 100% support the coaches, administration, and player of the best school in America; SDSU. Win, lose, or draw. They are a good football team that is still in the transition period of growing pains. This loss hurts no doubt, but there are 10 more games...if we would support the Jacks and give money as much as we complain maybe that would be a difference.

Side note: How does Daktronics Field (field turf) at Coughlin Alumni Stadium sound?

I'm not basing my opinion on 1 bad game. It's based off 10 years of 6-5 records. This was just icing on the cake. I do agree, we are a good football team and there are 10 games left. Let's hope we can put this loss behind us with a win at Montana.
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I give the coaches all the credit in the world for their hard work. I know from experience that it's tough to motivate college students, and my students don't go out on stage every week and demonstrate whether or not I have gotten through to them. I am appreciative of the kind of person Stig is and of the outstanding young people he has brought to this campus to participate in the football program. At some point, though, you have to wonder whether this is where the program should be at this point. Note that I'm not saying winnning is the only measure of a coach. Stig is a roaring success as an educator, role-model and mentor. He deserves credit for those things and I'm happy to give that to him. ndsubison says he expects more. Maybe what we need to ask is what do we expect of SDSU football?

Do we expect to win every game? Where do academics/character fit in the equation we want for SDSU? Are we progressing as a program? And, from a purely economic point of view, are we creating a program that people can be proud of and get behind (as in filling the seats)?

I don't know the answers, but I suspect people here have their opinions. What do you want the SDSU football program to be?

[Jacks02]

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I understand that the players weren't as fired up as they should be against a lower level opponent, but I think this loss hangs more on the game plan of the coaches than the effort of the players. We were playing under what has been called the worst conditions ever seen at CAS and for some reason we attempted 36 passes against a team that we should have had a superior athletic advantage over. Koenig averaged over 5 yds a carry for the game and had 156 yards rushing. SDSU had a time of possession advantage of 34:00 to 26:00. The 4 turnovers in our passing game along with the stupid penalties are what killed us. Coach talked about simplifying the offense at halftime, it should have been simplified to 3 plays: dive, rush right, or rush left. With the advantage we had on the front lines I have no doubt that running the ball 30 times in the second half would have won the game.

[filbert]

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Here's what I want from the football program, from the entire athletic program for that manner:

I want the athletic programs to make me proud to be an alumni and a donor.

I'm proud of the academic success of our sports teams across the board. I'm proud of the on-the-court success of the women's basketball teams. I'm proud of the overall aggressive scheduling of D-I opponents during out transition to full D-I status. I'm proud that we've had two winning seasons in our first two years of football competition at the D-I level. That's an incomplete list--there is much to be proud of in and around the SDSU athletic program.

At minimum, my expectation is that the athletic programs don't embarrass me as an alumni and a donor. Compete hard in every game. Be models of behavior on and off the field. Practice good sportsmanship in defeat and in victory. I think that is not too much to ask.

Moving on from expectations to desires, what I desire is, in addition to a program I'm proud of, I'd like a football program that makes progress towards a GWFC championship, towards a playoff appearance, towards a playoff victory, towards a national championship. (At NDSU, I'd wager that those are expectations, but at SDSU, we have not reached that point.)

I persist in the hope that last week's game was an aberration. We have the rest of the season to find out.

[Jacks99]

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I think Stig and the football team have exceeded expectations up to this point after moving to I-AA. 6-5 in I-AA is not the same as DII. However, after the instant sucess we expected to keep moving forward. This is only one game and let the season play out. If it proves a flop, then changes may happen.

Also, I think coaches that are great role models and make academics a priority are very good for the program. Eventually you want a championship program, but I don't want to sacrifice the true goal of the University.

[SUPERBUNNY]

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Sorry about this game, Jack fans.  I thought my tv was broken when I saw the score scroll on ESPN.  Ouch.  Field conditions may have slowed down the Jacks' DI "speed" but that's still no excuse.  There should be no excuses.  It is a clear indictment on your program.  I like SDSU and as a Bison fan'Great West/Mid-Con partner I guess I expect more.  I hope you can get the ship righted and in a hurry.  In Fargo, we expect to win every game.  In fact, I expect to beat Minnesota.  I expected to beat Montana.  Results coincide with expectations.  Do what you need to do but winning is an attitude.  That's where it starts.  You can do it.  Oh, and good luck in Missoula.  I'm afraid you're going to need it. :-[
GO BISON!!

You are right, there are no excuses and I don't think anyone on the coaching staff or team are looking for them, they simply can't wait to get bakc on the field and get an opportunity to prove that last week was a fluke!

I appreciate your wishing us luck because I think you are right, we're probably going to need it!

All that matters is what happens from here forward!

SUPERBUNNY

[jackmd]

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I think Stig and the football team have exceeded expectations up to this point after moving to I-AA.  6-5 in I-AA is not the same as DII.  However, after the instant sucess we expected to keep moving forward.  This is only one game and let the season play out.  If it proves a flop, then changes may happen.

Also, I think coaches that are great role models and make academics a priority are very good for the program.  Eventually you want a championship program, but I don't want to sacrifice the true goal of the University.

I don't have time to break down our record just against DI teams but I'm pretty sure its below .500. That said, I am not disappointed in the FB program during our transition. However, it is my opinion as an alumni, booster and fan that a change needs to be considered. I don't think I have seen anyone call for Stig's release (at least not on this board, elsewhere yes).

To suggest that anyone has given up their support by providing criticism in the face of an embarassing loss is childish an immature. College FB is real life and in life screw-ups get called out. Last week was a big time screw-up and if someone has a problem calling it what it is, thats their problem.

We had better see improvements this week or everyone better be prepared for more critics. Thats real life.

[jackphd]

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I don't have time to break down our record just against DI teams but I'm pretty sure its below .500.  

I think we're 6-10 against D1 opponents with scholarships:

2004
Losses: UC-Davis, Cal-Poly, Montana State, Georgia Southern, Southern Utah
Wins: Southern, NDSU, UNC

2005
Losses: Montana, Cal-Poly, Texas State, Georgia Southern, NDSU
Wins: UC-Davis, Southern Utah, UNC

[Rabbitlivinginverm]

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[quote author=jackmd link=1157256939/45#57 date=1157556394]I don't have time to break down our record just against DI teams but I'm pretty sure its below .500.  

I think we're 6-10 against D1 opponents with scholarships:

2004
Losses: UC-Davis, Cal-Poly, Montana State, Georgia Southern, Southern Utah
Wins: Southern, NDSU, UNC

2005
Losses: Montana, Cal-Poly, Texas State, Georgia Southern, NDSU
Wins: UC-Davis, Southern Utah, UNC
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Granted, it's only 2 years and we've played some tough teams in that 2 years but this is not good.  I think this works out to a winning % of .375.  The KC Royals win .371% of there games (I know, different sport, how can I compare the two, yada, yada, yada...)  These tough teams aren't going away.  They're in our conference and in our region.  This is who we will play year in and year out.  Bottom line, we need to improve.