GDT: LIU Sharks

[jakejc795]

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All these people complaining that tickets are too expensive better show up in groves next week. If people still don’t show up next week there probably won’t be many more games with that cheap of tickets because why have cheap tickets and still only get 10,000 people in the stands

Some of the people mentioning ticket prices are season ticket holders who've attended every home game including playoffs. As for act of mentioning prices discouraging other fans from attending, I do not mention concerns that price may depress attendance "in public," and I have bought and offered to buy tickets for friends and co-workers because I think they'd enjoy game.

However, using season ticket holders who voluntarily make a minimum of several hundred dollar Jackrabbit Club donation when buying tickets as the metric for reasonable ticket prices is risky if the goal is to increase attendance. I've admitted multiple times that i'll continue to pay for the tickets, and I do not believe that making that commitment negates ability to propose likely explanations for reduced attendance.

[goon]

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All these people complaining that tickets are too expensive better show up in groves next week. If people still don’t show up next week there probably won’t be many more games with that cheap of tickets because why have cheap tickets and still only get 10,000 people in the stands

Well I work next week so that's not going to happen. Taking a family of 5. that's 5 tickets snacks because it's hard to make kids sit through a 3 hour game with out snacks. 10 bucks for parking because hauling a 2 year old from the free lots isnt fun ao try to park reasonably close. Half a tank of gas to get to Brookings and back to sf. It adds up. Remember its discretionary income that sdsu is trying to get people to use. When people only have so many options to use their discretionary funds on and it's an issue for enough people plus like yesterday cool and rainy and it's on tv. I doubt attendance would be much better if any if the game isnt on tv.

The kid zone area is ok but a couple bouncy houses is nice but it could be so much more. The summit fan fest is good example. Why not have a punt pass and kick stations set up on the field turf. I get not wanting to ruin the field but dont have food or drinks on it. Little things would make such a better experience for families. Its tricky for us with a 22 month old who needs naps. If it was only our older kids would probably spend a lot more time before the game.

[Carolina010]

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All these people complaining that tickets are too expensive better show up in groves next week. If people still don’t show up next week there probably won’t be many more games with that cheap of tickets because why have cheap tickets and still only get 10,000 people in the stands

[Jacked_Up]

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Two related points:
* There's nothing to be gained by criticizing fellow fans, at least not until the stadium starts filling up on a regular basis and open seats become scarce. Come to games and have fun. Stand, jump around, sit, nap, yell, dance, chat with friends or stare at your phone. Do whatever you want. Just enjoy the experience, and bring friends next time.
* I agree that tailgating rules need to be loosened up. Pregame tailgating at the state's largest university should be enthusiastically encouraged and accommodated by SDSU. Pregame festivities should be an attraction for fans all over the state and region.

[jackdaniel]

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This is the best our D-line has ever looked since I've followed the Jacks, and by a long ways too. Our front 4 is consistently getting penetration into the backfield and disrupting the play, and it is coming from a plethora of different guys in a rotation that's going at least 8 deep.

I know it's only 2 games, but it's hard not to be excited about these guys going forward.

We will wear down a lot of teams offenses with our defense with the depth and an onsalaught that keeps coming, the LIU coach alluded to how fast our defense was , should be a great season if we can keep everyone healthy

[thumper_76]

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What you need to do to increase attendance, in addition to putting the team on the field that people want to watch and upgrading the game day experience, is just absolutely blanketing Sioux Falls with promotional advertising. Ideally, you wouldn't be able to turn around (or throw a dead Viking/Coyote) without seeing an SDSU Athletics ad.

This is however rather expensive (as are putting successful teams on the field and upgrading the game day experience).

This is huge IMO. How many non SDSU fans know who, where, and when the Jacks are playing? Or their ranking? They need Sufu blanketed so well that everyone know the Jacks are playing. Hey

Thoughts:

The O line was clearly not prepared for the stunts and speed of the LIU d line, and they really didn't adjust well. While that's concerning, I'm sure it'll be addressed.

I'm curious how much Nelson ran with 1s in practice this week. Some of the reports that came out indicated that Gibbs was still taking reps while they were deciding if he could play. If Nelson didn't get a full week of practice with 1s as the main guy, that could explain a lot of the mistakes and shakiness last night.

Regardless of how much he practiced, Nelson isn't a D1 QB. No way around that. There's a reason Gibbs beat out a guy that's been in the system three years as a backup. If Nelson starts next week, I'd like to see him have a better game and really "lead". If we're using him going into the conference season, we're in bad shape.

I tire of the comments about the weather, the ticket prices, the opponent, etc. Fact is, those are just excuses that are trying to justify an underwhelming level of fan support. If 27 dollar tickets are too expensive to watch a top 5 team, I don't know what to tell you. I can't go to the movies for less than 12 bucks a ticket to watch a crappy Disney remake. As stated above, a good burger and beer will end up costing me 25 bucks easily.

Our fan support is a cultural problem with South Dakota. People here don't care about college football. They just dont. And if they do, they're more likely to care about Iowa and Nebraska. If this problem is going to be fixed, it's going to take a lot more than tweaking ticket prices.

Which brings me to my next question. Did anybody see what happened with UPD and the group tailgating in the library lot? Zimmer retweeted about it, but apparently a group got harassed by UPD for some reason several hours before game time. Anyone have any insight there?

Tailgating is killing the game day atmosphere here. I don't know the specifics of that scenario yesterday, but I've seen enough of UPD at games over the years acting like assholes to assume they were probably being assholes.
If I were that group, I'd be writing a letter to Barry Dunn explaining how upsetting it is to be treated that way and threaten to pull financial support. Our current state of tailgating is a direct result of Dunn's policies for game day. While we all know the incident that sparked this in 2014, tailgating in 2019 is reflective of Barry Dunn's goals for game day at state. As I've stated before, I don't think Barry wants to see tailgating grow. And it's going to be damned hard to grow the fan base when the centerpiece of pregame activities is shrinking.

Agree on all counts. I don’t think even $15 tickets do much to help get people to the game, it’s just an easy excuse. Ndsu charges $45/ticket for bad end zone seats and $50+ for sideline seats. For every game outside of Misery St. So they’re charging double the $27 essentially we can get into the game for in much better seats (I’ve had end zone seats in there, you watch 1/2 the game on the board). I was under the impression our fans are as successful as ndsu fans in life so I don’t know how they can afford tickets to their games then. It could be that they just want to go to the game more. I also think there’s a severe mental resistance to buying season tickets for people. They want cheap walk up tickets because that’s how they’ve always done it and committing to the majority of games is apparently scary, or something.

On UPD, I wasn’t at the incident described, I just saw it on Twitter. But when I got wristbands for our lot and tried to joke with the UPD officer there the dude just glared at me and literally didn’t respond. They really are not a positive thing for the University in any way. Instead of being there in case something happens they are there to be enforcers and they enjoy it IMO. They had a freaking drug dog walking around by Briggs. I mean, are you kidding me? Nothing like pulling into the lot and being greeted by a cop in a bulletproof vest with a K9. I sure wanna party there SMH. There is a good portion of them who feel they are there to show how badass they are IMO instead of to be there to assist and serve. It’s pretty gross. The funny thing is the UPD guys I run into in the stadium are great, at least on the east side.

[Nidaros]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylN9hlntKpg

Here is LIU Coach. Very humble and very complimentary.

I am reposting my own post again since I was impressed with the coaches comments. He mentions that SDSU was once D2 and now has great facilities and a top notch FCS program. He said he had never since that much speed on defense. Also he casually mentions that some of the administrators from LIU were along on the trip to observe how it is done here in the middle of no where. Gee, despite a bullheaded president and a corrupt UPD, we must be doing something right,

[SDSUAlum08]

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Couldn't agree with you more, especially that last part! Dunn is a nice guy, but I'm not a fan of him. I just don't see athletics moving in the directions they want, as far as fan experience, with him as president. He will only encourage UPD to act out more. I passed by that beer garden thing they were trying out (Jackrabbit Endzone?), and I only saw UPD officers in there. Nobody likes to be watched over like a small child waiting for you to do something wrong (or not doing anything wrong but harass you, anyways.)

Agree. Dunn is a major problem for football attendance moving forward.

Anyone know what went on with UPD prior to the game? My assumption was that the group of guys showed up a little earlier than they were supposed to and set up. UPD likely decided to flex their power and get mad.

[SDSUAlum08]

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Woof! That's about all I can say. The O-line completely laid an egg tnight .. hardly any running room tonight. After last week I thought the Jacks would rush for 300+. Give credit to LIU, they came out fired up on D, they gave a very solid effort, but that doesnt excuse our O-line play. Not sure why we tried to run our backup QB like we did, still scratching my head about that. When it comes to playing Heide over Connors, I have a source that said once fall camp started, Connors fell off big time. Not sure how true that is, but it would certainly explain why he didn't see time tonight..

They’re really high on the kid from Wayzata. He’s going to push Gibbs. I also was told Connors got sick and lost some weight and has been recovering. I believe it was mono.

I mentioned last week that Cade is going to get killed with all the returns/touches. They need to save him on ST for special circumstances and keep most of his touches on offense. Running back kickoffs against LIU is really dumb.

[THE PRIDE IS BACK!!!]

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Thoughts:

The O line was clearly not prepared for the stunts and speed of the LIU d line, and they really didn't adjust well. While that's concerning, I'm sure it'll be addressed.

I'm curious how much Nelson ran with 1s in practice this week. Some of the reports that came out indicated that Gibbs was still taking reps while they were deciding if he could play. If Nelson didn't get a full week of practice with 1s as the main guy, that could explain a lot of the mistakes and shakiness last night.

Regardless of how much he practiced, Nelson isn't a D1 QB. No way around that. There's a reason Gibbs beat out a guy that's been in the system three years as a backup. If Nelson starts next week, I'd like to see him have a better game and really "lead". If we're using him going into the conference season, we're in bad shape.

I tire of the comments about the weather, the ticket prices, the opponent, etc. Fact is, those are just excuses that are trying to justify an underwhelming level of fan support. If 27 dollar tickets are too expensive to watch a top 5 team, I don't know what to tell you. I can't go to the movies for less than 12 bucks a ticket to watch a crappy Disney remake. As stated above, a good burger and beer will end up costing me 25 bucks easily.

Our fan support is a cultural problem with South Dakota. People here don't care about college football. They just dont. And if they do, they're more likely to care about Iowa and Nebraska. If this problem is going to be fixed, it's going to take a lot more than tweaking ticket prices.

Which brings me to my next question. Did anybody see what happened with UPD and the group tailgating in the library lot? Zimmer retweeted about it, but apparently a group got harassed by UPD for some reason several hours before game time. Anyone have any insight there?

Tailgating is killing the game day atmosphere here. I don't know the specifics of that scenario yesterday, but I've seen enough of UPD at games over the years acting like assholes to assume they were probably being assholes.
If I were that group, I'd be writing a letter to Barry Dunn explaining how upsetting it is to be treated that way and threaten to pull financial support. Our current state of tailgating is a direct result of Dunn's policies for game day. While we all know the incident that sparked this in 2014, tailgating in 2019 is reflective of Barry Dunn's goals for game day at state. As I've stated before, I don't think Barry wants to see tailgating grow. And it's going to be damned hard to grow the fan base when the centerpiece of pregame activities is shrinking.

Couldn't agree with you more, especially that last part! Dunn is a nice guy, but I'm not a fan of him. I just don't see athletics moving in the directions they want, as far as fan experience, with him as president. He will only encourage UPD to act out more. I passed by that beer garden thing they were trying out (Jackrabbit Endzone?), and I only saw UPD officers in there. Nobody likes to be watched over like a small child waiting for you to do something wrong (or not doing anything wrong but harass you, anyways.)

[BigGoosie13]

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This is the best our D-line has ever looked since I've followed the Jacks, and by a long ways too. Our front 4 is consistently getting penetration into the backfield and disrupting the play, and it is coming from a plethora of different guys in a rotation that's going at least 8 deep.

I know it's only 2 games, but it's hard not to be excited about these guys going forward.

It's crazy how we are doing wholesale line changes and not taking a step back at all, can't wait to see how they look when Krockpot gets back up to last years level.

[Mr_Tibbs]

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Regarding the perception of empty seats on the east side, here's a thought (maybe not a good one, but it's a thought).

Right now on the broadcast, you can't see the students. What if the student section were to either partially or wholly move to the southern half of the east side? I realize at a major issue with this is the band's location. But if we're going to have 8,000 empty seats for these games, I'd prefer it if the majority weren't front and center on tv. Having the band with the students is important and helps the atmosphere, but that east side just looks awful on TV for the majority of the season.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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I agree with slosho. It seems there will always be people who think ticket prices are too high.
On the way home from the game, following the post-game on WNAX, my wife was reading (aloud while I drove) posts on this message board including those discussing ticket prices. Our perspective is the same: we measure the entertainment value and think an SDSU game is a great value for the price of a ticket. Last weekend we went out to eat with some of our family -- six in the group. We had a great time at a cost of around $30 per person. Well worth the price but we think the entertainment value etc. of an SDSU game is worth more, particularly when we're joined by some of the family.

I think our ticket prices are about right.

Agree 100%. Ticket prices are about right... for YOU. Me too.

However, I personally know lots of people who are SDSU fans who don't come to games anymore, or have cut down dramatically in the number of games they attend, and ticket prices are the #1 reason why.

I can't tell you the number of people I talk to about games and the first thing they say is along the lines of: it was a great game! I watched on TV. Man, the stadium was empty, there wasn't anybody there.

An empty east side KILLS the perception on TV, there are TONS of people who tune in and think the stadium is empty. Cheaper tickets specifically for the east side would help fill the stadium, IMO.

With that being said, I am sure significant thought has been put in by the athletic department on this issue.

[Kemo]

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Our Defense is ****ing awesome. When was the last time we held an opponent to 120 freaking yards? I loved what the freshman Hicks and Evans showed. The rest of the team looked like they were playing with cinder blocks for shoes, even Janke's punt return looked like it was in slow motion. That early goalline fumble kind of set the tone for the offense. Though Blakely provided a nice spark towards the end of the game. I love Kanin and am appreciative of all that he has contributed to our program as walk-on and loyal practice player, but he sucks as a quarterback, even his TD toss to Kunz was a duck. We are screwed if he is our best backup option come Valley play.

Nice to know we can have an off day in the rain and win 38-3.

This is the best our D-line has ever looked since I've followed the Jacks, and by a long ways too. Our front 4 is consistently getting penetration into the backfield and disrupting the play, and it is coming from a plethora of different guys in a rotation that's going at least 8 deep.

I know it's only 2 games, but it's hard not to be excited about these guys going forward.

[Mr_Tibbs]

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Thoughts:

The O line was clearly not prepared for the stunts and speed of the LIU d line, and they really didn't adjust well. While that's concerning, I'm sure it'll be addressed.

I'm curious how much Nelson ran with 1s in practice this week. Some of the reports that came out indicated that Gibbs was still taking reps while they were deciding if he could play. If Nelson didn't get a full week of practice with 1s as the main guy, that could explain a lot of the mistakes and shakiness last night.

Regardless of how much he practiced, Nelson isn't a D1 QB. No way around that. There's a reason Gibbs beat out a guy that's been in the system three years as a backup. If Nelson starts next week, I'd like to see him have a better game and really "lead". If we're using him going into the conference season, we're in bad shape.

I tire of the comments about the weather, the ticket prices, the opponent, etc. Fact is, those are just excuses that are trying to justify an underwhelming level of fan support. If 27 dollar tickets are too expensive to watch a top 5 team, I don't know what to tell you. I can't go to the movies for less than 12 bucks a ticket to watch a crappy Disney remake. As stated above, a good burger and beer will end up costing me 25 bucks easily.

Our fan support is a cultural problem with South Dakota. People here don't care about college football. They just dont. And if they do, they're more likely to care about Iowa and Nebraska. If this problem is going to be fixed, it's going to take a lot more than tweaking ticket prices.

Which brings me to my next question. Did anybody see what happened with UPD and the group tailgating in the library lot? Zimmer retweeted about it, but apparently a group got harassed by UPD for some reason several hours before game time. Anyone have any insight there?

Tailgating is killing the game day atmosphere here. I don't know the specifics of that scenario yesterday, but I've seen enough of UPD at games over the years acting like assholes to assume they were probably being assholes.
If I were that group, I'd be writing a letter to Barry Dunn explaining how upsetting it is to be treated that way and threaten to pull financial support. Our current state of tailgating is a direct result of Dunn's policies for game day. While we all know the incident that sparked this in 2014, tailgating in 2019 is reflective of Barry Dunn's goals for game day at state. As I've stated before, I don't think Barry wants to see tailgating grow. And it's going to be damned hard to grow the fan base when the centerpiece of pregame activities is shrinking.