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**CappinHard** · 09-17-2018, 08:51 PM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

Originally posted by JackJD View Post

Only two games in...a little early for the computers but sometimes it's fun to look at the rankings. Sagarin has NDSU at 33 overall...highest rated FCS team. SDSU is the second highest ranked FCS team at 58. Here are the top FCS teams through 9/15/18.

33 North Dakota State
58 South Dakota State
76 James Madison
86 Northern Iowa
87 Illinois State
108 Weber State
109 Eastern Washington
112 Jacksonville State
113 Kennesaw State

Here's the link: https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/

Sagarin has a permanent hard on for UNI for some reason.

If you're looking to get a good idea of actual FCS rankings, see Any Given Saturday's poll, it's consistently the most accurate. Here's a link for this week.

http://www.anygivensaturday.com/show...=1#post2675071

**mnjackrbt** · 09-18-2018, 07:24 AM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

Don't want to start a separate thread for this comment, so I'll just throw it in here.

After 2 games, I am really unsure how good of a team we actually are. Obviously we will find it next weekend. However, we cruised past Montana State, who beat Western Illinois, who beat Montana, who beat UNI. I know you can't compare scores like that, because I recall some scenario a year ago where we were basically FBS national champs because of that, was it the year NDSU beat Iowa? Then we maybe beat NDSU, Iowa beat someone big time who beat someone big time...

**Nidaros** · 09-18-2018, 07:51 AM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

Originally posted by mnjackrbt View Post

Don't want to start a separate thread for this comment, so I'll just throw it in here.

After 2 games, I am really unsure how good of a team we actually are. Obviously we will find it next weekend. However, we cruised past Montana State, who beat Western Illinois, who beat Montana, who beat UNI. I know you can't compare scores like that, because I recall some scenario a year ago where we were basically FBS national champs because of that, was it the year NDSU beat Iowa? Then we maybe beat NDSU, Iowa beat someone big time who beat someone big time...

This is a very good question and no easy answer. I think we have some very eager athletes who want to compete. When the opponent leaves their first and second string QB at home as APBU did, we never got the true test on defense. I saw Synder make some very good moves on defense and lets hope he shows up in Fargo. Bisonville seems concerned about pass defense and some of their offense. So we might be very good or very average. We will find out on September 29th,

**JACKGUYII** · 09-18-2018, 08:10 AM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

I think some very strong recruiting classes is giving us some amazing depth that is pushing everyone to excel. I also dont think we have ever had this kind of speed across the team. We should have a good idea what kind of team we have in 2 weeks!

**thumper_76** · 09-19-2018, 08:16 AM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

Originally posted by mnjackrbt View Post

Don't want to start a separate thread for this comment, so I'll just throw it in here.

After 2 games, I am really unsure how good of a team we actually are. Obviously we will find it next weekend. However, we cruised past Montana State, who beat Western Illinois, who beat Montana, who beat UNI. I know you can't compare scores like that, because I recall some scenario a year ago where we were basically FBS national champs because of that, was it the year NDSU beat Iowa? Then we maybe beat NDSU, Iowa beat someone big time who beat someone big time...

I agree that we don't really know how good we are besides better than the Montana schools and probably WIU. As to the comparative score leading to best team tomfoolery, I believe there's either a website or a Reddit thread called the circle of suck that you can put your team into and it completes the comparative Wins and Losses to make literally every team the national champ through a web of games. It's mildly entertaining.

As to Sagrin, or Massey for that matter they don't really mean much until week six when they are "well connected". Otherwise they still have too much influence from the prior year and unknowns to be really accurate.

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**THEsocalledfan** · 09-24-2018, 10:10 AM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

Just posted on bisonville, so figured I post here.

Top 25 per Sagarin:

35 North Dakota State AA = 77.38 3 0 0 41.66( 224) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 77.30 37 | 77.72 32 | 77.64 36
56 South Dakota State AA = 72.46 2 0 0 26.03( 251) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 72.52 56 | 71.38 61 | 71.72 62
64 James Madison AA = 70.96 3 1 0 38.49( 233) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 71.28 62 | 69.15 74 | 68.50 75
80 Illinois State AA = 66.54 3 0 0 47.15( 199) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 66.41 80 | 64.35 92 | 67.16 78
86 Northern Iowa AA = 65.53 1 2 0 58.44( 122) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 65.91 83 | 65.69 83 | 62.56 96
92 Eastern Washington AA = 63.64 3 1 0 56.62( 142) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 63.58 92 | 62.56 94 | 63.75 89
111 Weber State AA = 58.66 3 1 0 52.78( 166) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 58.10 114 | 58.68 110 | 62.38 98
113 Princeton AA = 58.35 2 0 0 34.01( 238) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 58.68 111 | 52.49 141 | 55.72 125
117 Wofford AA = 57.71 2 1 0 44.90( 211) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 57.81 116 | 56.65 119 | 56.68 122
118 Kennesaw State AA = 57.34 3 1 0 35.21( 236) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 57.78 117 | 54.36 129 | 53.94 136
119 UC Davis AA = 57.31 3 1 0 50.96( 176) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 57.07 121 | 53.82 133 | 58.75 110
120 Villanova AA = 57.12 3 1 0 45.09( 210) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 57.41 119 | 55.28 126 | 54.73 128
121 South Dakota AA = 57.01 1 2 0 59.41( 117) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 57.30 120 | 57.11 118 | 54.66 129
123 Elon AA = 56.17 2 1 0 52.17( 169) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 56.04 125 | 53.11 136 | 56.79 121
125 Jacksonville State AA = 56.05 2 1 0 26.45( 250) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 56.34 124 | 56.02 121 | 53.71 138
126 Montana AA = 56.02 3 1 0 50.46( 180) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 55.81 128 | 55.29 125 | 57.20 118
130 Samford AA = 55.09 1 3 0 57.25( 133) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 55.76 129 | 56.31 120 | 49.94 156
131 Maine AA = 54.60 2 1 0 55.94( 146) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 54.71 131 | 51.62 149 | 53.52 139
133 Youngstown State AA = 54.38 1 2 0 32.19( 242) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 54.45 133 | 57.96 114 | 53.52 140
134 Missouri State AA = 54.17 2 1 0 67.44( 49) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 53.87 135 | 50.43 157 | 56.02 124
135 Stony Brook AA = 54.14 3 1 0 41.96( 221) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 53.68 137 | 54.23 131 | 57.15 119
136 Western Illinois AA = 53.83 1 2 0 57.04( 134) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 53.74 136 | 54.80 128 | 54.15 133
138 Nicholls State AA = 53.55 2 2 0 57.96( 125) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 53.37 139 | 52.21 144 | 54.51 130
140 Southern Illinois AA = 53.15 1 2 0 49.21( 186) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 53.49 138 | 52.33 143 | 50.36 154
141 Chattanooga AA = 52.92 4 0 0 46.75( 201) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 52.32 143 | 51.53 151 | 56.81 120

**THEsocalledfan** · 10-01-2018, 10:01 AM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

Top 25 per Sagarin. I am thinking these are well connected at this point. JMU is getting scary again.

40 North Dakota State AA = 76.89 4 0 0 46.65( 196) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 76.59 41 | 77.98 34 | 78.67 32
46 James Madison AA = 74.29 4 1 0 41.48( 219) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 74.70 46 | 71.42 61 | 71.21 61
57 South Dakota State AA = 73.10 2 1 0 47.05( 195) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 73.44 54 | 71.16 63 | 70.43 63
76 Northern Iowa AA = 67.61 2 2 0 53.09( 151) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 68.00 75 | 66.26 83 | 64.57 86
87 Illinois State AA = 64.73 3 1 0 52.66( 154) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 64.80 86 | 63.38 94 | 63.85 89
88 Eastern Washington AA = 64.55 4 1 0 54.55( 146) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 64.22 90 | 64.03 90 | 66.45 78
104 Princeton AA = 60.86 3 0 0 35.63( 240) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 60.94 104 | 55.73 125 | 59.88 110
112 Kennesaw State AA = 58.88 4 1 0 40.53( 221) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 59.12 112 | 55.95 124 | 56.74 125
113 Elon AA = 58.46 3 1 0 49.13( 183) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 58.23 116 | 55.96 123 | 59.68 111
114 Weber State AA = 58.35 3 1 0 52.16( 160) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 57.68 118 | 59.72 108 | 62.80 93
118 Wofford AA = 57.90 3 1 0 38.78( 226) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 57.93 117 | 57.04 117 | 57.27 123
119 Montana AA = 57.88 4 1 0 49.36( 180) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 57.54 119 | 57.55 114 | 59.88 109
121 South Dakota AA = 57.49 2 2 0 57.10( 127) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 57.50 120 | 57.54 115 | 56.96 124
123 UC Davis AA = 57.30 3 1 0 51.26( 169) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 56.97 124 | 55.01 129 | 59.27 113
126 Villanova AA = 56.80 3 2 0 48.77( 185) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 57.16 122 | 55.07 128 | 53.85 140
129 Missouri State AA = 56.18 3 1 0 64.10( 85) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 55.52 130 | 54.08 135 | 60.49 102
130 Jacksonville State AA = 55.98 3 1 0 31.29( 248) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 56.16 128 | 55.72 126 | 54.29 137
132 Colgate AA = 54.75 4 0 0 36.42( 237) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 54.30 132 | 53.50 137 | 57.58 121
133 Western Illinois AA = 54.50 2 2 0 55.54( 136) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 54.19 133 | 55.43 127 | 56.32 128
135 Stony Brook AA = 53.70 4 1 0 44.04( 205) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 53.10 137 | 54.64 131 | 57.55 122
136 Delaware AA = 53.24 2 2 0 41.70( 218) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 53.37 135 | 53.40 138 | 51.85 147
137 Nicholls State AA = 53.13 3 2 0 53.31( 150) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 52.76 139 | 52.91 141 | 55.37 131
139 Samford AA = 52.85 1 4 0 57.41( 125) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 53.74 134 | 52.41 142 | 45.78 173
140 Youngstown State AA = 52.83 1 3 0 42.92( 213) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 53.24 136 | 54.62 132 | 49.41 159
142 Central Arkansas AA = 52.46 2 2 0 50.62( 172) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 52.50 142 | 52.29 143 | 51.75 149

**JackJD** · 10-07-2018, 10:24 PM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

Here's what Jeff Sagarin's computer had to say after the October 6 results (I'm only listing the FCS schools appearing in the top 100 of the Sagarin D1 teams):

30 NDSU
63 Jams Madison
67 SDSU
78 Eastern Washington
83 Illinois State
86 Northern Iowa
88 Princeton

Here's the link: http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

**jakejc795** · 10-08-2018, 04:34 AM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

Originally posted by JackJD View Post

Here's what Jeff Sagarin's computer had to say after the October 6 results (I'm only listing the FCS schools appearing in the top 100 of the Sagarin D1 teams):

30 NDSU
63 Jams Madison
67 SDSU
78 Eastern Washington
83 Illinois State
86 Northern Iowa
88 Princeton

Here's the link: http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

Would be nice to see JMU lose to Villanova this week. Also, "Jams Madison" has me picturing their mascot wearing a "pimp coat" with a flashy cane.

**thumper_76** · 10-08-2018, 06:44 AM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

Originally posted by jakejc795 View Post

Would be nice to see JMU lose to Villanova this week. Also, "Jams Madison" has me picturing their mascot wearing a "pimp coat" with a flashy cane.

Unfortunately Nova hasn�t shown to be that great the last couple games.

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**CappinHard** · 10-13-2018, 07:14 PM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

Elon lost to Delaware and Eastern Washington lost to Weber State. We are presumably in the driver seat for the 2 seed at this point with 2 very tough away games coming up. Going to take 2 very good games to come away from those 2-0.

**rabidrabbit** · 10-14-2018, 11:57 AM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

Another team that should move up once no residue of last year exists, is UC-Davis. SOS #8 in FCS, undefeated in FCS play, and has FBS win (San Jose St), and a good showing vs Stanford for only loss.

**thumper_76** · 10-14-2018, 09:31 PM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

Originally posted by rabidrabbit View Post

Another team that should move up once no residue of last year exists, is UC-Davis. SOS #8 in FCS, undefeated in FCS play, and has FBS win (San Jose St), and a good showing vs Stanford for only loss.

Tbh if Davis goes through the Big Sky undefeated they probably have a very legit argument to have the 2 seed over anybody.

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**THEsocalledfan** · 10-15-2018, 06:03 AM

Re: Sagarin Rankings

Top 25 per Sagarin

32 North Dakota State AA = 79.67 6 0 0 53.64( 145) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 79.27 32 | 81.01 27 | 82.00 23
56 James Madison AA = 73.44 5 2 0 46.20( 183) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 74.22 53 | 69.98 68 | 67.97 74
67 South Dakota State AA = 70.49 4 1 0 45.09( 193) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 70.44 66 | 70.44 66 | 70.17 62
70 Illinois State AA = 68.75 5 1 0 49.97( 161) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 68.90 70 | 66.47 79 | 67.07 77
80 Northern Iowa AA = 66.17 3 3 0 57.88( 116) 0 1 0 | 0 1 0 | 66.25 79 | 64.83 85 | 64.93 83
88 Eastern Washington AA = 64.13 5 2 0 53.83( 143) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 64.30 88 | 63.05 92 | 62.29 95
92 Princeton AA = 63.18 5 0 0 29.18( 248) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 63.23 92 | 59.40 109 | 62.17 96
104 Kennesaw State AA = 60.88 6 1 0 31.82( 239) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 61.21 103 | 57.99 115 | 57.94 118
105 Jacksonville State AA = 60.57 5 1 0 34.78( 232) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 60.66 105 | 58.76 112 | 59.27 108
110 Elon AA = 59.31 4 2 0 55.74( 128) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 59.15 110 | 58.11 113 | 59.75 106
111 Weber State AA = 59.14 4 2 0 54.52( 138) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 58.48 113 | 60.87 102 | 63.33 90
113 Dartmouth AA = 58.55 5 0 0 36.84( 223) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 58.06 116 | 55.59 124 | 61.49 98
120 Delaware AA = 57.11 4 2 0 47.02( 176) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 56.43 123 | 58.09 114 | 61.32 100
123 Colgate AA = 56.81 6 0 0 34.07( 234) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 56.27 124 | 56.50 121 | 60.02 105
124 UC Davis AA = 56.42 5 1 0 47.09( 175) 0 0 0 | 0 1 0 | 55.64 126 | 57.00 118 | 61.44 99
125 South Dakota AA = 56.20 3 3 0 57.03( 120) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 56.13 125 | 56.54 120 | 56.04 128
127 Missouri State AA = 55.69 4 2 0 59.65( 108) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 55.14 128 | 55.40 127 | 58.97 111
128 Samford AA = 55.61 3 4 0 47.84( 171) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 56.50 122 | 51.66 142 | 48.48 158
133 Towson AA = 54.19 5 1 0 46.50( 181) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 53.01 137 | 55.06 129 | 62.08 97
134 Wofford AA = 53.87 4 2 0 43.40( 205) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 54.11 133 | 53.88 134 | 51.46 143
135 Idaho State AA = 53.84 4 2 0 54.69( 136) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 53.35 135 | 52.81 139 | 56.68 123
136 Stony Brook AA = 53.57 5 2 0 46.09( 185) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 53.10 136 | 54.55 131 | 56.26 125
137 North Dakota AA = 53.55 4 2 0 48.64( 167) 0 1 0 | 0 1 0 | 52.97 138 | 54.30 132 | 56.98 122
140 Villanova AA = 52.36 3 4 0 52.75( 147) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 52.85 139 | 51.54 144 | 48.13 160
141 Sam Houston State AA = 51.98 4 2 0 43.58( 201) 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 51.77 141 | 53.63 135 | 52.84 137

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