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[WestSideRabbit]

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Rants and Raves

Disclaimer: Didn't watch a second of the game. Followed on Twitter and ESPN app because I was in a wedding.

Rave: We won. Hell yeah.

Rant: Have to be better in the Case IH red zone.

Rave: We won and it sounds like we controlled the line of scrimmage.

Rant: That ref really flubbed up on the Goedert touchdown.

Rave: Highlights were hilarious of Goedert tossing Bison defenders around.

Rave: TC keeping his cool after throwing the INT.

Rave: Coach Stig's postgame remarks and talking about Chase Morlock. He's such a good guy.

On to Hobo Week and Day!

[SteelSD]

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I understand replay call. I don't understand why they had no camera angle pictures from the side necessary to reverse the call. If you have a side view it is a easy replay to reverse but not having at least all sides of a play makes the call challenging. The back judge isn't to blame for the replay. Ask camera crews, MVFC and the bison. What concerns me more is having the same replay official game after game for the Bison. That makes for bias decisions.

I can forgive the official because mistakes do happen and is a part of the game. What I can't understand is the great and mighty Fargodome has an entire side of the field with no camera angle the endzone?! Last year during the Bison game a couple of jerk off Bison fans were in the bathrooms making fun of the new stadium. But at least we have the ability to cover plays in the endzone from both sides of the field. Maybe it's time to upgrade their stadium and get with the times?

[jackdaniel]

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I agree that he watched Goddert finish the catch while on the ground. But what goes through your mind when you are officiating is a number of things all at the same time. He was grabbing for his whistle before Goddert finished making the catch. That tells me that he had already made the call in his head and quit officiating on the play. You never put the whistle in your mouth until you've determined where the ball is. His right hand was then grabbing the flag while he watched Goddert on the ground. He was cleaning up on the play as that is what you do when finish on the play.

The key is that he is putting the whistle in his mouth before the play is over. He had made the call in his head and was throwing the flag while also registering in his mind how 44 launched himself above Goddert's shoulders. He thought the ball had already hit the ground. His whistle was in his mouth and then his flag was in his hand before Goddert finally secured the ball and #3 tried to slap the ball out of his hand. Again, you never put the whistle in your mouth until the play is over. You do that to avoid inadvertent whistles before the play is over. He was starting to blow his whistle before Goddert secured it. He did this because he had already determined the ball had hit the ground. He obviously didn't see that as his brain was processing 44's number and the action that occurred on the hit. I suspect that he saw 44 launching towards Goddert's head, but by the time the hit happened, he likely couldn't see the final hit because Goddert was in between 44 and himself. You can see that he took a step back while giving the incomplete sign.

(I want to clarify that I can't know for sure what was going on in his mind. I can just relate to how all of that action was going on in front of him and when you start to call a foul, it is easy to take your mind off from the rest of the play. It may have only happened for a split second, but you start to react to the foul and you don't always process everything clearly.)

Again, I agree that he blew the call, I just don't believe he was incompetent or he would have never advanced to this level. We all make mistakes, it's just that this video clip clearly showed he was wrong.

I know what you're saying,and I agree,humans are subject occasionally to making wrong decisions and to give the guy a break,you are right and I applaud you for for sticking up for someone you don't even know.Incompetent is too harsh,let's just call it a mistake.He made a mistake in calling the play.We still won the game,so,it shouldn't matter to me as much as if we'd of lost the game.Comme ci,Comme sa.

[GopherHole]

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I agree that he watched Goddert finish the catch while on the ground. But what goes through your mind when you are officiating is a number of things all at the same time. He was grabbing for his whistle before Goddert finished making the catch. That tells me that he had already made the call in his head and quit officiating on the play. You never put the whistle in your mouth until you've determined where the ball is. His right hand was then grabbing the flag while he watched Goddert on the ground. He was cleaning up on the play as that is what you do when finish on the play.

The key is that he is putting the whistle in his mouth before the play is over. He had made the call in his head and was throwing the flag while also registering in his mind how 44 launched himself above Goddert's shoulders. He thought the ball had already hit the ground. His whistle was in his mouth and then his flag was in his hand before Goddert finally secured the ball and #3 tried to slap the ball out of his hand. Again, you never put the whistle in your mouth until the play is over. You do that to avoid inadvertent whistles before the play is over. He was starting to blow his whistle before Goddert secured it. He did this because he had already determined the ball had hit the ground. He obviously didn't see that as his brain was processing 44's number and the action that occurred on the hit. I suspect that he saw 44 launching towards Goddert's head, but by the time the hit happened, he likely couldn't see the final hit because Goddert was in between 44 and himself. You can see that he took a step back while giving the incomplete sign.

(I want to clarify that I can't know for sure what was going on in his mind. I can just relate to how all of that action was going on in front of him and when you start to call a foul, it is easy to take your mind off from the rest of the play. It may have only happened for a split second, but you start to react to the foul and you don't always process everything clearly.)

Again, I agree that he blew the call, I just don't believe he was incompetent or he would have never advanced to this level. We all make mistakes, it's just that this video clip clearly showed he was wrong.

[Hareofthedog]

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I understand replay call. I don't understand why they had no camera angle pictures from the side necessary to reverse the call. If you have a side view it is a easy replay to reverse but not having at least all sides of a play makes the call challenging. The back judge isn't to blame for the replay. Ask camera crews, MVFC and the bison. What concerns me more is having the same replay official game after game for the Bison. That makes for bias decisions.

[jackdaniel]

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First of all, the back judge blew it. It happens. Refs are prone to making mistakes just like players and coaches. Perfect games by any of those involved in a game rarely happen. However, this was a perfect storm for the back judge. His first mistake was that he thought he saw a targeting and everything unraveled from there.

I'm in my 28th season as an official and I still have situations unravel in front of me. What worked against him was that he saw something that wasn't really there. When you throw a flag, it is important to get the number of the player whom you call the foul on. That led him to take his eyes off of the ball while Goddert was going down. The third strike against him was that there was no available good angle on the replay to correct his error. Yes he blew it, but I have a hard time calling him incompetent based off of this one play. Yes, he made two mistakes on one play, but based on this angle, he was in the right position to make the call, which, tells me more about his competency.

We have the benefit of seeing things from a great angle in slow motion. He had a lot of activity happening all at once, and ended up blowing a big call at an important time, in one of the biggest games of the season.

No,he saw Goddert hit the ground and the ball hit his shoulder and bounce into the air at the same time,he saw Goddert grab it ,he's looking right at the play the whole time ,THEN he threw the flag and signaled an incomplete pass. LOOK at the video......HERE it is again. Everyone who saw the play knew it was a touchdown,except the ref standing 10' away whose job it is to call the play......amazing

Anyway,it's all over and done with,I'm willing to let it go,as long as everyone else is too.

[GopherHole]

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He must be infatuated,perhaps mezmerized by watching his pretty hanky than watching what's really important.Godderts been known now to be a guy very focussed on the ball and has been known to do this kind of stuff,you'd think they'd learn to watch the play the whole way,then throw a flag,who cares if it's a little bit late,.....and you don't have to watch it,just chuck it,there are eough people watching it,it won't get lost...lol

Went back and watched it again,he saw everything,the ball bouncing off the shoulder and the catch at the end.....no explanation as to why he called it incomplete.Just didn't register in his mind it was a TD and not an incomplete pass...that's scary that ref's can be that bad.

First of all, the back judge blew it. It happens. Refs are prone to making mistakes just like players and coaches. Perfect games by any of those involved in a game rarely happen. However, this was a perfect storm for the back judge. His first mistake was that he thought he saw a targeting and everything unraveled from there.

I'm in my 28th season as an official and I still have situations unravel in front of me. What worked against him was that he saw something that wasn't really there. When you throw a flag, it is important to get the number of the player whom you call the foul on. That led him to take his eyes off of the ball while Goddert was going down. The third strike against him was that there was no available good angle on the replay to correct his error. Yes he blew it, but I have a hard time calling him incompetent based off of this one play. Yes, he made two mistakes on one play, but based on this angle, he was in the right position to make the call, which, tells me more about his competency.

We have the benefit of seeing things from a great angle in slow motion. He had a lot of activity happening all at once, and ended up blowing a big call at an important time, in one of the biggest games of the season.

[Nidaros]

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Luck happens and we won. I personally vote we just let that play die. We still won and it doesn't matter a bit now.


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I would agree. We got 19 they got 17.

[thumper_76]

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The Bison just got lucky on that play,incompetent ref,no ability to over turn,they just got lucky....period.

Luck happens and we won. I personally vote we just let that play die. We still won and it doesn't matter a bit now.


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[MontanaRabbit]

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Yep. Given the replay angles available they couldnt overturn the call. The same would've been true had the ball hit the ground and they called td.

Fact. Really glad that didnt come back to bite us.

[jackdaniel]

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The Bison just got lucky on that play,incompetent ref,no ability to over turn,they just got lucky....period.

[RowdyRabbit]

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This. Im not sure if people dont understand how replay works but the call on the field is important. There has to be conclusive evidence against the call to overturn the on field call. The key word is conclusive...it has to be 100% clear. On the Goedert TD you couldnt see where the ball hit when it popped into the air. Could have hit Goedert could have hit the ground....the replay official was left to guess thus couldnt overturn.

Yep. Given the replay angles available they couldnt overturn the call. The same would've been true had the ball hit the ground and they called td.

[Gojacks2487]

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Our offense continues to throw the 300+ yards per game, definitely not used to seeing that but it's fun to watch. Did anyone else see the Youngstown stats that only threw for 25 yards against UNI talk about night and day difference in teams

[jackdaniel]

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The back judge took his eye off the play to throw a flag. He managed to be wrong twice on the same play: Once on the penalty and a second time on the incomplete pass. Pretty bad.

On the replay, if you want to blame somebody, blame the lousy KVLY production crew. The replay official can only base his calls on the video he has access to. KVLY's cameraman from the back corner of the end zone somehow managed not to have Goedert in the frame. Pretty bad.

Bison fans are griping about the poor quality of their home game productions, and I'd have to agree. MidcoSN does a MUCH better job.

He must be infatuated,perhaps mezmerized by watching his pretty hanky than watching what's really important.Godderts been known now to be a guy very focussed on the ball and has been known to do this kind of stuff,you'd think they'd learn to watch the play the whole way,then throw a flag,who cares if it's a little bit late,.....and you don't have to watch it,just chuck it,there are eough people watching it,it won't get lost...lol

Went back and watched it again,he saw everything,the ball bouncing off the shoulder and the catch at the end.....no explanation as to why he called it incomplete.Just didn't register in his mind it was a TD and not an incomplete pass...that's scary that ref's can be that bad.

[jackdaniel]

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I might be a little giddy yet,but the Jacks seem to have a overpowering,unrelenting ,stifling offensive juggernaut of an offense that puts tremendous pressure on the opposing defense just about every snap they take all game long.They simply wear down the opposing defense.The Defense is starting to find an Identity and showing signs of being a force to reckon with particularly at key,crucial points in the game.These two units together have me feeling pretty good about the rest of the season.