Cal Poly

[jackmd]

Re: Cal Poly

Drinking age is 21, thats it, without exception. That has to be enforced, especially on a state funded university campus. Stop with the crazy talk about allowing underage drinkers to get inebriated on the campus of our state university. It's ridiculous to suggest.

I'm well aware that underage drinking is accepted as the norm at most every college in the US and in most communities for that matter. That being said, condoning it by providing a "safe place" on campus is ludicrous. It's as weak and ignorant a suggestion as saying parent's that host underage drinking parties are providing a safe haven for those underage drinkers.

I can't believe this discussion continues.

[mitchellrabbit]

Re: Cal Poly

Thank you. Not exactly 3.2 beer. I think UPD acted appropiately.

I dont think drinking fireball was what he did wrong. I dont think the bottle is suppose to be out in the open. I cant have my bottle of crown sitting on a table either. I dont tailgate much but i thought that was one of the rules. And when did 3.2 beer come back?

[BrerRabbit]

Re: Cal Poly

Here is the reality, students are going to drink underage which is illegal. You can either have the students drinking casually/socially on campus at tailgating where they are monitored for extreme behavior or you can send them back to house parties where they are beer bonging, shot gunning and taking shots. I know which setting I would prefer they drink at. Some of you probably disagree.

This past weekend UPD walked into AGR's spot and was very polite and asked the student to put his handle of Fireball away. The student put it in the back seat of the vehicle and UPD moved on, no problem. UPD came back through about an hour later and the student had the bottle of fireball out again. UPD began to write him a citation and the student got mouthy, was handcuffed and walked over to their new building. I think this was 100% the right way to handle it. They gave him a warning and he didn't follow it. They gave him a free pass and he couldn't follow it.

Also, I'd like to add that the AGR spot is a perfect example of what all of student tailgating could and should be in the backyard. They consistently have 75-100 other students at their spot. They have their music cranked, play drinking games, have their grill cooking hotdogs and burgers, and rarely cause problems. I asked their leadership last year to clean up their spot after the first game and haven't had a problem since then. This is the model we should follow instead of sticking them in a spot on the other side of the stadium.

I'm with you WestSide. The men of SAE act similarly. Part of the reason I tailgate is to spend time with and spend money and attention on a whole bunch of really great kids who are students at a really good University I went to a few years ago. I'm not for this model of segregation which the Dept has adopted and hope it goes away soon.

[Nidaros]

Re: Cal Poly

Cinnamon flavored whisky. It is hot tasting.

Thank you. Not exactly 3.2 beer. I think UPD acted appropiately.

[WestSideRabbit]

Re: Cal Poly

What is fireball?

Cinnamon flavored whisky. It is hot tasting.

[Nidaros]

Re: Cal Poly

Here is the reality, students are going to drink underage which is illegal. You can either have the students drinking casually/socially on campus at tailgating where they are monitored for extreme behavior or you can send them back to house parties where they are beer bonging, shot gunning and taking shots. I know which setting I would prefer they drink at. Some of you probably disagree.

This past weekend UPD walked into AGR's spot and was very polite and asked the student to put his handle of Fireball away. The student put it in the back seat of the vehicle and UPD moved on, no problem. UPD came back through about an hour later and the student had the bottle of fireball out again. UPD began to write him a citation and the student got mouthy, was handcuffed and walked over to their new building. I think this was 100% the right way to handle it. They gave him a warning and he didn't follow it. They gave him a free pass and he couldn't follow it.

Also, I'd like to add that the AGR spot is a perfect example of what all of student tailgating could and should be in the backyard. They consistently have 75-100 other students at their spot. They have their music cranked, play drinking games, have their grill cooking hotdogs and burgers, and rarely cause problems. I asked their leadership last year to clean up their spot after the first game and haven't had a problem since then. This is the model we should follow instead of sticking them in a spot on the other side of the stadium.

What is fireball?

[WestSideRabbit]

Re: Cal Poly

Here is the reality, students are going to drink underage which is illegal. You can either have the students drinking casually/socially on campus at tailgating where they are monitored for extreme behavior or you can send them back to house parties where they are beer bonging, shot gunning and taking shots. I know which setting I would prefer they drink at. Some of you probably disagree.

This past weekend UPD walked into AGR's spot and was very polite and asked the student to put his handle of Fireball away. The student put it in the back seat of the vehicle and UPD moved on, no problem. UPD came back through about an hour later and the student had the bottle of fireball out again. UPD began to write him a citation and the student got mouthy, was handcuffed and walked over to their new building. I think this was 100% the right way to handle it. They gave him a warning and he didn't follow it. They gave him a free pass and he couldn't follow it.

Also, I'd like to add that the AGR spot is a perfect example of what all of student tailgating could and should be in the backyard. They consistently have 75-100 other students at their spot. They have their music cranked, play drinking games, have their grill cooking hotdogs and burgers, and rarely cause problems. I asked their leadership last year to clean up their spot after the first game and haven't had a problem since then. This is the model we should follow instead of sticking them in a spot on the other side of the stadium.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: Cal Poly

There's a difference between encouraging and going overboard. I have no idea if they are checking IDs of every student or just the ones with alcohol. If it's the ones with alcohol, then I'm for it. If it's every student who walks through hunting to give out underage tickets, that's a joke. When I was going to the student section in CAS you could get drunk off the fumes of the students. Do you go through and ID all of them? Is that encouraging underage consumption? To me the student tailgate should be treated as an extension of the student section, only policing it when necessary. Students drink underage. Strict enforcement and attempts to hunt down underage students isn't going to stop it, it's going to make them do it in other locations that realistically would be more dangerous than a supervised student tailgate. Honestly underage drinking is a large part of the college student culture, and if you try to force it out of the Gameday don't be surprised when the students don't go to their tailgate area and leave games early. You can embrace the students or try to force them to be extremely well behaved church kids. Guess which one grows the fanbase and makes the Gameday atmosphere better?

I'm not saying let the students be out of control, I understand how awful the events were last year. But if they're off in their own space let students be students. Check people who are out of line, don't let underage kids be wheeling in kegs and coolers of beer, but don't be on a witch hunt for them either. You know there's a lot of underagers sneaking in flasks and booze into the student section, but we don't send UPD through the student section looking for it.

When the Grateful Dead asked the Hell's Angels to provide security, they shouldn't have been surprised when they acted like a biker gang.

[thumper_76]

Re: Cal Poly

If enabling and encouraging underage drinking in the name of increasing student attendance is the way to go, why stop there? Why not add contributing to the arsenal and hand them a cooler of beer when they walk into the student tailgate area? Seems like a solid strategy.

There's a difference between encouraging and going overboard. I have no idea if they are checking IDs of every student or just the ones with alcohol. If it's the ones with alcohol, then I'm for it. If it's every student who walks through hunting to give out underage tickets, that's a joke. When I was going to the student section in CAS you could get drunk off the fumes of the students. Do you go through and ID all of them? Is that encouraging underage consumption? To me the student tailgate should be treated as an extension of the student section, only policing it when necessary. Students drink underage. Strict enforcement and attempts to hunt down underage students isn't going to stop it, it's going to make them do it in other locations that realistically would be more dangerous than a supervised student tailgate. Honestly underage drinking is a large part of the college student culture, and if you try to force it out of the Gameday don't be surprised when the students don't go to their tailgate area and leave games early. You can embrace the students or try to force them to be extremely well behaved church kids. Guess which one grows the fanbase and makes the Gameday atmosphere better?

I'm not saying let the students be out of control, I understand how awful the events were last year. But if they're off in their own space let students be students. Check people who are out of line, don't let underage kids be wheeling in kegs and coolers of beer, but don't be on a witch hunt for them either. You know there's a lot of underagers sneaking in flasks and booze into the student section, but we don't send UPD through the student section looking for it.

[CappinHard]

Re: Cal Poly

If enabling and encouraging underage drinking in the name of increasing student attendance is the way to go, why stop there? Why not add contributing to the arsenal and hand them a cooler of beer when they walk into the student tailgate area? Seems like a solid strategy.

Does someone already have a petition going on this? Sounds like a great way to increase student attendance! Better yet... Introduce it at next week's game and tell them that they have to stay until the end of the game or the free beer goes away! Genius.

[jacksfaninne]

Re: Cal Poly

You're right. Just shut down the student tailgate. And get rid of the student section too while we're at it. Seems like a solid strategy. Let's get out the breathalyzers like nidaros wants to as well and hit everybody in the tailgating lots. Sounds like a fun time to me.

If enabling and encouraging underage drinking in the name of increasing student attendance is the way to go, why stop there? Why not add contributing to the arsenal and hand them a cooler of beer when they walk into the student tailgate area? Seems like a solid strategy.

[RochJack69]

Re: Cal Poly

This was a tongue in cheek suggestion. There are several games in town now, so why hang around.

My comment was an attempt at humor. Several years ago, I took my 8th grade G-daughter to a Mayo HS fullhouse football game, it was Willow Creek MS night. I swear to God that no one under 16 sat still for more than 5 minutes without getting up and running off someplace. I asked another old guy several seats over if this was normal, he laughed and said, "They seem fairly still tonight". Wonder if that wears off with a few years.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: Cal Poly

The handling of the student tailgate has been a big disappointment. I feel the athletic department needs to hire independent security and not rely on UPD. If someone gets out of hand to the point where law enforcement is needed, the security company can then remove the individual and turn them over to UPD. Killing the student tailgate, and hurting student attendance will have detrimental effects in later years. The current students can be future season ticket holders, but not if they don't associate the games with having great times with friends. At this point it is probably too late for this season.

Current season ticket holders ARE ALREADY future season ticket holders. But not if they associate the games with drunken mobs of students damaging their personal property and jeopardizing the safety of their friends/family.

There needs to be room for everyone to have fun at tailgating. People (and many businesses) pay a premium price for backyard tailgating. Asking the university to ensure a proper environment for that kind of tailgating is not too much to ask, IMO.

[Nidaros]

Re: Cal Poly

Probably don't have the attention span required to sit for 10 minutes, let alone a whole half.

This was a tongue in cheek suggestion. There are several games in town now, so why hang around.

[RochJack69]

Re: Cal Poly

Maybe we need to bring back after game student dances at the Union. That way in order to take in the dance, students would have to suffer through the second half.

Probably don't have the attention span required to sit for 10 minutes, let alone a whole half.