Jackrabbit Gameday Experience

[Nidaros]

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Bowling Green which has about the same attendance numbers as us normally brings in 25,000 from beer sales. Also money from beer advertisers could be a nice chunk as well. Why would it cut down on downtown bar sales if the fans are already at the game, it wouldn't affect downtown numbers one bit. Another interesting take is Kent State. They make zero dollars on beer sales, because they price it at $2 a beer, but sell beer to add to the atmosphere and it helps attendance.

I suspect this link is your source of information. I am still not convinced this a good idea.

http://www.toledoblade.com/BGSU/2012...-at-games.html

What the article suggests that there will not be as much tailgating at least not for six hours as it been in the past. You either drink in the staduim with a two drink limit or you leave the facility. No more six hour tailgates. The more I read this article, my mind is changing. They seem to have found ways to controll the consumption, which is very important.

[witness]

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Do we have anyone on this board who has some knowledge about the revenue earned from beer sales? I would sure like to read his input on all this extra revenue that would be generated. After one considers the cost of obtaining a license, you have to have people walking in the door who are at least 21 who can legally purchase the beverages. I am sure places like Cubby's make money but how much? Also selling food seems to becoming more of their market scheme in order to stay afloat. This notion about beer and extra revenue is not there in my opinion. Also selling at the staduim might already cut into a delicate margin that downtown bars now have.

Bowling Green which has about the same attendance numbers as us normally brings in 25,000 from beer sales. Also money from beer advertisers could be a nice chunk as well. Why would it cut down on downtown bar sales if the fans are already at the game, it wouldn't affect downtown numbers one bit. Another interesting take is Kent State. They make zero dollars on beer sales, because they price it at $2 a beer, but sell beer to add to the atmosphere and it helps attendance.

[Nidaros]

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Do we have anyone on this board who has some knowledge about the revenue earned from beer sales? I would sure like to read his/her input on all this extra revenue that would be generated as suggested by our friend Goon and others. After one considers the cost of obtaining a license, you have to have people walking in the door who are at least 21 who can legally purchase the beverages in order to recover the upfront cost of a license. I am sure places like Cubby's make money but how much? Also selling food seems to becoming more of their market scheme in order to stay afloat. This notion about beer and extra revenue is not there in my opinion. Also selling at the staduim might already cut into a delicate margin that downtown bars now have. Just sayn, even if the laws were on SDSU side, would they chance it with the age of legal consumption being 21, and better than half of our students are under 21?

Believe it or not, once upon a time, I thought this was a good idea.

[RabbitObsessed]

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I would like to read to law, but haven't found it, but if SDSU presented some facts there is a chance that South Dakota would approve it.

Ha. You must live in a different South Dakota than I do. One that is far more progressive and reasonable.

[goon]

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I'm just getting caught up on posts. Those advocating beer sales in CAS must have discovered an exception in State law which would permit beer sales in CAS. Please enlighten us so that we can, as one poster put it, "join the 21st Century". Now, if the proponents concede State law does not permit beer sales in CAS and they are only expressing their desire, then how about laying out a reasonable plan for convincing legislators beer sales in athletic facilities is a good idea. (Keep in mind some of those legislators struggle with the concept that people donate money for athletic facilities.) Please give us your analysis of how each of the other MVFC teams -- our football peers -- handle beer sales in their stadium.

I guess explain to them that revenue from beer sales could be less money that the state would need to fund helping the budget. I am sure most wouldn't see it that way. Or the state sell the land where the stadium is to a private owner so it wouldn't be state owned land. Not saying its that easy but selling beer I would guess could provide new revenue to sdsu. I would think it would be short sighted to say it won't ever happen and I am not implying you or anyone else is. Just as budgets and costs keep going up new revenue will be needed. It might be a battle to get it done but dealing with the state to allow a new stadium and field house to get done are major headaches anyways.

[JackJD]

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Interesting article.
I followed the debate about alcohol sales in Minnesota's stadium.

I'm not taking the time to look at all the SD statutes that may impact this issue but I think the following statute is a hurdle that would have to be overcome.

SDCL 35-2-6.1. State educational institutions--License to operate on campus prohibited--Exceptions--"Campus" defined.
No on-sale or off-sale license may be granted under this title to operate on the campus of any state educational institution. However, if the outside boundary of any state educational institution is extended this section does not apply to any license granted previous to the extension. The provisions of this section do not apply to the school for the deaf established by chapter 13-62. For the purpose of this section, "campus" shall mean only the area immediately surrounding the buildings used for classrooms, administrative offices, athletic facilities, and housing.

Witness: you can access the South Dakota Codified Laws on the SD Legislative Research Council's site: http://legis.state.sd.us/index.aspx

[witness]

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My, my my...you don't even know my opinion on the topic. Seems to me that if beer sales are going to take place, one should determine first if they are permitted. I understand now that you have made your claim without any regard for whether the law will allow such sales (based on your statement/question: "There is a state law for that?"). As a proponent of beer sales in CAS, don't you think you should be the one presenting the analysis on what the law permits or forbids. And, if the law forbids such sales, knowing that laws can be changed -- then what do you propose for changing such laws?

I have the impression that beer sales at college venues may be increasing but I really don't know if my impression is supported by facts. You state as a fact that there are more universities selling beer in the last few years. Is that really the case?

Yeah, I know, this is a message board and a lot of ideas are thrown out for discussion and entertainment. Some posters think there's a little too much whining going on and other posters have continued to lodge some complaints about the game-day experience. As I read posts, I'm trying to decide for myself which comments I'll consider as whining and which ones are of interest to me.

By the way, I am not opposed to beer sales at athletic facilities.

I would like to read to law, but haven't found it, but if SDSU presented some facts there is a chance that South Dakota would approve it. West Virginia started selling beer for the first time last year and they made over $500,000. Granted, they have a higher attendance number, but it still helps revenue. In FBS, 17% of schools sell beer at their stadiums.
Here is a good article about one schools decision to sell beer: http://www.toledoblade.com/BGSU/2012...-at-games.html

[JackJD]

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Darn right I said that. Funny that you tried to take a jab at me though. There is a state law for that? Now that is interesting. Confused though, because it has nothing to do with CAS being on campus, so it is strictly just football stadiums. Would like to read the law if somebody can post it. I said join the 21st century, because there is an increasing amount of universites that sell beer in the last few years and it would really help revenue. Personally, there shouldn't be a ban on alcohol anyways if you are 21, thats just dumb.

My, my my...you don't even know my opinion on the topic. Seems to me that if beer sales are going to take place, one should determine first if they are permitted. I understand now that you have made your claim without any regard for whether the law will allow such sales (based on your statement/question: "There is a state law for that?"). As a proponent of beer sales in CAS, don't you think you should be the one presenting the analysis on what the law permits or forbids. And, if the law forbids such sales, knowing that laws can be changed -- then what do you propose for changing such laws? ADDED: I have researched whether there are laws governing sales of alcohol at a college athletic facility in South Dakota.

I have the impression that beer sales at college venues may be increasing but I really don't know if my impression is supported by facts. You state as a fact that there are more universities selling beer in the last few years. Is that really the case?

Yeah, I know, this is a message board and a lot of ideas are thrown out for discussion and entertainment. Some posters think there's a little too much whining going on and other posters have continued to lodge some complaints about the game-day experience. As I read posts, I'm trying to decide for myself which comments I'll consider as whining and which ones are of interest to me.

By the way, I am not opposed to beer sales at athletic facilities.

[witness]

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I'm just getting caught up on posts. Those advocating beer sales in CAS must have discovered an exception in State law which would permit beer sales in CAS. Please enlighten us so that we can, as one poster put it, "join the 21st Century".

Darn right I said that. Funny that you tried to take a jab at me though. There is a state law for that? Now that is interesting. Confused though, because it has nothing to do with CAS being on campus, so it is strictly just football stadiums. Would like to read the law if somebody can post it. I said join the 21st century, because there is an increasing amount of universites that sell beer in the last few years and it would really help revenue. Personally, there shouldn't be a ban on alcohol anyways if you are 21, thats just dumb.

[JackJD]

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I'm just getting caught up on posts. Those advocating beer sales in CAS must have discovered an exception in State law which would permit beer sales in CAS. Please enlighten us so that we can, as one poster put it, "join the 21st Century". Now, if the proponents concede State law does not permit beer sales in CAS and they are only expressing their desire, then how about laying out a reasonable plan for convincing legislators beer sales in athletic facilities is a good idea. (Keep in mind some of those legislators struggle with the concept that people donate money for athletic facilities.) Please give us your analysis of how each of the other MVFC teams -- our football peers -- handle beer sales in their stadium.

[RowdyRabbit]

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BTW: That was a really great performance by the Pride last night. Lots of new songs and they sounded great. That "Home" Olympics song, the Johnny Cash medley, and Fun, all in one show. That might have been my favorite Pride show of the last few years.

The entire section I was in sat (on their hands) for the entire game and stood and clapped for the Pride.

I stood and clapped the entire game and sat (on my hands) for the pride.

The one I'd like to see different regarding the Pride is whoever runs the pregame music from the speakers....please please turn off the music when the Pride begins the march to the stadium, so we can actually hear them.

[goon]

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No one peed in 64 crabby flakes, but its one of your ideas that just wont fly any time soon.

What wouldn't? Making a better fan expereince?

[goon]

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I think any thought of selling beer opens a big can of worms. Aramark has its challenges now with long lines and not enought vendors to handle food items. Adding beer would require all sort of additional help in making sure that none is sold to 18 to 20 years old. How will they explain this one to the law when they do sell several beverages to 19 year olds? It will be very embarassing to the AD, PResident and the BOR if this happens. Maybe that explains why only five schools in the country sell beer at a game. The margin on a sale of a bottle of beer is what? Maybe 10 or 15 percent, hardly worth the risk of selling to minors who make up how many of the 12500 students on campus?

In a stadium you can control some. Either that or kids underage sneek in booze and drink in the bathroom or mix with sodas. They allow drinkiing in tailgating and I doubt every student back there gets carded. My guess is its a liability thing bit soon in saw 20 years or less most stadiums in the country will just to help bring in revenue as costs continue to go up and schools nned more revenue. Not saying its right or wrong. Just the way its going.

[Nidaros]

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Who peed in your crabby flakes this morning. Is it so bad fans would like a better experience?

No one peed in 64 crabby flakes, but its one of your ideas that just wont fly any time soon.

[goon]

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Good god do we have a bunch of whiny ass fans.

Too many ads
They don't sell beer
I was bored

The game was on TV, so of course there is going to be extra time off. Have you ever been to an NFL game, it is 10 times worse.

There is like 5 schools in the country that sell beer at game (even WI the drinking capital of the world doesn't sell beer).
Smuggle in liquor like everyone else or get so stupid f'ed up before the game that you don't remember actually attending the game.

Go to EVERY FBS or FCS game in the country and it will be full of ads. If you whiny a-holes want a nice experience it costs money, because lord knows if ticket prices get too expensive you wouldn't show up, but then you would also complain that quality of the announcers on TV weren't good enough.

Grow up, it is time to be big boy fans. Show up (even if they don't sell beer) or don't. Donate money (and make suggestions on how it could go to improve things) or don't.

Who peed in your crabby flakes this morning. Is it so bad fans would like a better experience?