SDSU won't play UND in Football?

[Nidaros]

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I dont often look at the Grand Forks paper, but did this morning to see what if any reference to SDSU would appear.

Here is a link, which discusses what the Alumni Association is trying to do, but there were no references to SDSU. I wonder why!!!!

http://www.grandforksherald.com/even...cle/id/235583/

There is an other article that indicates the Alumni Association is going to hire a lobby firm to promote the support Measure 4, the measure to repeal the repeal. Its getting confusing, and I am gratiful that SDSU does not have this distracting issue to deal with. To think if I am an average UND alum, and I send in a gift of 25 dollars to help the institution, it now is used to pay the lobby firm for their efforts if that alum does not designate a purpose for this gift. Sweet.

[Jacks-02]

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I dont often look at the Grand Forks paper, but did this morning to see what if any reference to SDSU would appear.

Here is a link, which discusses what the Alumni Association is trying to do, but there were no references to SDSU. I wonder why!!!!

http://www.grandforksherald.com/even...cle/id/235583/

There is an other article that indicates the Alumni Association is going to hire a lobby firm to promote the support Measure 4, the measure to repeal the repeal. Its getting confusing, and I am gratiful that SDSU does not have this distracting issue to deal with. To think if I am an average UND alum, and I send in a gift of 25 dollars to help the institution, it now is used to pay the lobby firm for their efforts. Sweet.

I don't know why, but in reading that article it seemed like something you'd see in The Onion. I just cannot believe that this cluster has carried on this long. What a dumpster fire.

[89rabbit]

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I dont often look at the Grand Forks paper, but did this morning to see what if any reference to SDSU would appear.

Here is a link, which discusses what the Alumni Association is trying to do, but there were no references to SDSU. I wonder why!!!!

http://www.grandforksherald.com/even...cle/id/235583/

There is an other article that indicates the Alumni Association is going to hire a lobby firm to promote the support Measure 4, the measure to repeal the repeal. Its getting confusing, and I am gratiful that SDSU does not have this distracting issue to deal with. To think if I am an average UND alum, and I send in a gift of 25 dollars to help the institution, it now is used to pay the lobby firm for their efforts if that alum does not designate a purpose for this gift. Sweet.

Just to be clear to the casual reader, we are talking about the UND Alumni Association. The SDSU Alumni Association has no desire to be brought into this process. I am fully aware that in no way did Nidaros imply that, but you never know how North Dakotas are going to react.


Go State!

[jackmd]

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Dogs may bark, but the caravan moves on. What a great saying. I going to file that one away for future use.

"Chameleon-like and based on rottenness." I put O'Keefe about right there which isn't far from where the nickname supporters are as well.

[JackJD]

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I have some agreement with JackMD's statement but I also have a little sympathy for the UND Alumni Association leadership. They have good cause to be depressed and their efforts will be resisted by some who claim to be loyal UND supporters. They're approaching panic mode and firing in all directions -- yesterday's statement involving SDSU was poorly considered (but perhaps it ended up serving their purposes...would make me gun-shy about dealing with UND for a while even if they get out of the mess they're in).

The "Fighting Pariahs" may be an appropriate alternative nickname.

[Nidaros]

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What little I know about UND, I do believe the Alumni Association and the Foundation at UND are one of the same. They have a dual function in fund raisiing and also maintaing records, assembling alums for any given event, and other functions. At SDSU the Foundation has a sole function of fund raising. The Alumni Association has largely social and lobbying functions. They are two separate groups at SDSU, and in organization that is a significant difference between UND and SDSU. The SDSU Foundation has board members on the Alumni Council and the Alumni Council has members on the foundation board mainly for communication purposes. One group does not control the other, but informally they can impact each other.

Okeefe at UND seems in his latest move trying to protect fund raising by touching bases with their concentration of alums in the major cities in ND. This Logo mess is costing time and money.

[NoVaJack]

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So many universities have changed and survived and forged a unique identity. Stanford from Indian to Cardinal, etc., etc.
Does it seem that the argument has permanently morphed into "no one can tell us what to do" more than "we are defending an honorable mascot?"? If so, isn't it less defensible, morally and intellectually - irrespective of whether you believe the latter to be true, or not.

[jackmd]

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Judge throughout the lawsuit brought by the tribe to try and save the nickname.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

[The Sports Block]

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- On this week's Sports Lounge podcast, Travis Kriens is live and in studio. We talk about the SDSU-UND kerfuffle, the NFL Draft and the NBA.

http://chirb.it/7tJpr2#

[Nidaros]

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Judge throughout the lawsuit brought by the tribe to try and save the nickname.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...MPLATE=DEFAULT

Throwing out this case will help put this issue to rest, but its costing ND taxpayers. See below article in GF TRIBUNE.

http://www.grandforksherald.com/even...cle/id/235678/

[EricB]

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It is being reported from Fargo that SDSU won't play UND in football until the Sioux name is resolved. From TV's twitter it is hinted that he is writing a story on this for tomorrow.

Looks like NDSU isn't going to play UND until they get the nickname issue worked out either.

Not so fast, says the NDSU athletic director.

“No details have been worked out,” Gene Taylor said.

Taylor said the schools have dates that would work in both years and that he and Faison talked by phone earlier this week about resuming the game. Taylor said both sides talked a few months ago on a few occasions, but communication stopped until UND could get its nickname situation resolved, he said.

“We don’t have a solid contract,” Taylor said.

I want to address a couple of issue that has come up on line a few times

[Nidaros]

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The primary election for ND is one week later than SD, on June 12th. There are four measures on the ballot. One measure has to d Measure #4 had an TV ad on that urged the passing of Measure 4. They listed a number of big schools who refused to compete with UND because of the Fighting Sioux Logo. Among the list was South Dakota State University, which is not correct based on AJ comment to TV of the Argus and that AJ has tried for years to get UND on his schedule and also the re-buff by the administration that SDSU had not taken a harden position of not playing UND. I did not catch who sponsored the add, but suspect it was sponsored by those who now want to remove the logo and play ball with the NCAA. They are stepping over the line of truth in saying SDSU is on this list of opponents who refuse to compete with UND because of the logo. The below is an except explaing the measure that is to appear on the ballot.

Analysis of Referendum Measure No. 4 (Fighting Sioux Nickname)
Referendum Measure No. 4 was placed on the ballot by petitions circulated by a sponsoring committee. This referendum measure concerns Senate Bill 2370 as passed by the Legislative Assembly in the November 2011 special session (Session Laws, Chapter 580). Senate Bill 2370 repealed section 15-10-46 of the North Dakota Century Code, which required the University of North Dakota to use the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.
Voting “YES” means you approve Senate Bill 2370, the effect of which would allow the University of North Dakota to discontinue the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo. Voting “NO” means you reject Senate Bill 2370, and would require the University of North Dakota to use the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

Personally I hope Measure 4 does pass as it will allow UND to move forward and will clear up a number of things. If the supporters of this measure stretch the truth in order to get it passed so be it. We know what is going on here.

[KUlawJack]

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The primary election for ND is one week later than SD, on June 12th. There are four measures on the ballot. One measure has to d Measure #4 had an TV ad on that urged the passing of Measure 4. They listed a number of big schools who refused to compete with UND because of the Fighting Sioux Logo. Among the list was South Dakota State University, which is not correct based on AJ comment to TV of the Argus and that AJ has tried for years to get UND on his schedule and also the re-buff by the administration that SDSU had not taken a harden position of not playing UND. I did not catch who sponsored the add, but suspect it was sponsored by those who now want to remove the logo and play ball with the NCAA. They are stepping over the line of truth in saying SDSU is on this list of opponents who refuse to compete with UND because of the logo. The below is an except explaing the measure that is to appear on the ballot.

Analysis of Referendum Measure No. 4 (Fighting Sioux Nickname)
Referendum Measure No. 4 was placed on the ballot by petitions circulated by a sponsoring committee. This referendum measure concerns Senate Bill 2370 as passed by the Legislative Assembly in the November 2011 special session (Session Laws, Chapter 580). Senate Bill 2370 repealed section 15-10-46 of the North Dakota Century Code, which required the University of North Dakota to use the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.
Voting “YES” means you approve Senate Bill 2370, the effect of which would allow the University of North Dakota to discontinue the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo. Voting “NO” means you reject Senate Bill 2370, and would require the University of North Dakota to use the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo.

Personally I hope Measure 4 does pass as it will allow UND to move forward and will clear up a number of things. If the supporters of this measure stretch the truth in order to get it passed so be it. We know what is going on here.

I'm confused by what you are saying Nidaros. Didn't Justin Sell come out and explicitly state we will not schedule UND in any sports until the nickname controversy is resolved?

Sell made those statements on the Mike McFeely show. Has there been something else that came out? I'm not being a smartass, I am seriously asking.

[Nidaros]

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I'm confused by what you are saying Nidaros. Didn't Justin Sell come out and explicitly state we will not schedule UND in any sports until the nickname controversy is resolved?

Sell made those statements on the Mike McFeely show. Has there been something else that came out? I'm not being a smartass, I am seriously asking.

No offense taken, it might appear the ad is correct. I had thought Sell had said a case by case consideration would be made, and the references to SDSU stopped in further conversations up here in ND. I dont spend all my time in Arlington btw, but I might be wrong on the details, which is nothing new. I saw the ad run this morning and it appears the UND Alumni Council is sponsoring the ad. It starts out with the Hockey guys getting ready for a match and saying that the logo was once okay and now its not, and goes on to mention the damage that will happen to the institution and then they run down the list of schools that refuse to play UND because of the logo and it includes SDSU. The way TV wrote his article and I doubt its available with paying an archive fee, was that Sell was taken by surprise and they had not opinion one way or the other on the logo. I might not have it right, but that is what I recall. Unfortunely I did not catch McFeely show the day he had AD Sell on the program.

[KUlawJack]

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No offense taken, it might appear the ad is correct. I had thought Sell had said a case by case consideration would be made, and the references to SDSU stopped in further conversations up here in ND. I dont spend all my time in Arlington btw, but I might be wrong on the details, which is nothing new. I saw the ad run this morning and it appears the UND Alumni Council is sponsoring the ad. It starts out with the Hockey guys getting ready for a match and saying that the logo was once okay and now its not, and goes on to mention the damage that will happen to the institution and then they run down the list of schools that refuse to play UND because of the logo and it includes SDSU. The way TV wrote his article and I doubt its available with paying an archive fee, was that Sell was taken by surprise and they had not opinion one way or the other on the logo. I might not have it right, but that is what I recall. Unfortunely I did not catch McFeely show the day he had AD Sell on the program.

I think you are right about the AD being caught off guard and initially saying case by case but later that day is when it was revealed we would not schedule them in anything until the name issue was resolved. So, in the span of 24 hours, we readjusted our position it seems.