Summit looking at football

[JBB123]

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If our long term goal is to gain membership into the Missouri Valley Conference for all sports, I would be willing to place a bet that SDSU and NDSU would fight this from the time any real exploration began.

As for football, the last thing we want to do is shoot ourselves in the foot and let our first real sustained football success in 45 years slip away.

I vote no. Do I have a vote? Well, if I don't I'm going to find out how I get one.

Yea you have a vote! Me too. I dont think "we" like Summit "football".

[Sec310]

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What would the Summit have to do, to get it's own bid to the playoffs? How many teams does a conference need, in order to get an automatic bid?

The will have four teams that play football, when USD comes into the SL.

It won't be a stretch to add UND, especially now that they have worked out the nickname situation. That would be five full SL members.

SUU would make 6, of course if they don't get invited to the Big Sky.

Maybe add D-2 schools that may think about moving up?

[rabidrabbit]

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What would the Summit have to do, to get it's own bid to the playoffs? How many teams does a conference need, in order to get an automatic bid? 6 teams, 5 of which must have played each other for two years, and then petition for inclusion.

The will have four teams that play football, when USD comes into the SL.

It won't be a stretch to add UND, especially now that they have worked out the nickname situation. That would be five full SL members.

SUU would make 6, of course if they don't get invited to the Big Sky.

Maybe add D-2 schools that may think about moving up? [/b]SDSU/NDSU, but especially WIU isn't moving out of the auto-bid MVFC for a 6 team SUmmit.[/b]

Look for the "Summit" to be a 'division' within the MVFC. Either the Big SKy or the Summit is going to be a 11 team league based on the current available schools. Look for the Summit to try and entice Eastern Ill. back into the fold. With some more southern schools looking to move up (North Ala and it's league), the OVC has some natural growth south.

[Sec310]

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Look for the "Summit" to be a 'division' within the MVFC. Either the Big SKy or the Summit is going to be a 11 team league based on the current available schools. Look for the Summit to try and entice Eastern Ill. back into the fold. With some more southern schools looking to move up (North Ala and it's league), the OVC has some natural growth south.

Being a division sucks. Why compete against 10 other teams for a bid to the playoffs, when you can compete against 5 other teams AND have non conference games vs that other conference.

It would be very easy for the MVFC and SL to have two separate conferences, each with it's own bid to the playoffs.

The Big Sky is already a 11 team conference, with Cal Poly and Davis, of course that assumes nobody leaves.

[propar80]

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Being a division sucks. Why compete against 10 other teams for a bid to the playoffs, when you can compete against 5 other teams AND have non conference games vs that other conference.

It would be very easy for the MVFC and SL to have two separate conferences, each with it's own bid to the playoffs.

The Big Sky is already a 11 team conference, with Cal Poly and Davis, of course that assumes nobody leaves.

So what your saying is that you would like to give up game every year vs. SIU and UNI for USD and UND?? Really?? Really??

My stomach just turned.

Go Jacks!!

[zooropa]

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So what your saying is that you would like to give up game every year vs. SIU and UNI for USD and UND?? Really?? Really??

My stomach just turned.

Go Jacks!!

It'd be an easier path to the playoffs.

[Sec310]

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So what your saying is that you would like to give up game every year vs. SIU and UNI for USD and UND?? Really?? Really??

My stomach just turned.

Go Jacks!!

You can still play those schools in non conference, every year.

If it means a better shot at the playoffs, the SL should look at splitting away from the MVFC.

[propar80]

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You can still play those schools in non conference, every year.

If it means a better shot at the playoffs, the SL should look at splitting away from the MVFC.

The Summit League should split away from the MVFC?? Say that to yourself 20 times, heck say it 50 times and see if it makes any more sense.

So let me get this straight:
SDSU
NDSU
WIU
USD
UND
SUU(which will be in the Big Sky within the month, IMO)

MVFC:
UNI
SIU
Indiana State - Red
Indiana State - Blue
Missouri State
Youngstown St.

First of all, I'm sure the NCAA would just be thrilled to give a 5 team league(two of which are fresh out of transition and the other two not far behind) a auto-birth to the playoffs.
Second, we completely lose the name-recognition of the "Missouri Valley"
Third...now we get to worry about filling 6 out-of-conference games??
Fourth...I'm sure UNI and SIU would just bend over backwards to schedule home and homes with all of us every year.

Dumbest idea ever...IMHO. Best case that happens for everyone who want to see us play USD and relive the NCC glory years, is they just let the two clown colleges in and make it an 11 team conference, just like the old Big 10. Not everyone would play everyone every year, but at least we don't "break away" from the MVFC and create essentially another "Great West FB Conference". God, I can't even believe there are people considering this as an option.

Sec310...you sure your not Craig Mattock or his twin??

Go Jacks!!

[SidelineObserver]

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The SL should look at splitting away from the MVFC.

I think this is one of the dumbest things I've ever read here. Splitting away from one of the top three FCS football conferences in America for one of the largest cupcake factories in the country. Add on top of that, no guaranteed for an automatic playoff berth. Yes the travel sucks to get to Youngstown State, Indiana State. But imagine if you have to travel to Southern Utah. No easy way to get to Cedar City is a friendly four hour bus ride away from Las Vegas. I can already see boosters clamoring to get on the plane for those types of trips.

While they have to fly to Southern Illinois, Indiana State and Youngstown State, a five out of eight of the MVFC games are less than a 13 hour drive away and easy for fans to make.

I've yet to meet any fans who are excited to see SDSU join a potential Summit League football conference. In fact, I think Justin Sell ought to be fired if he doesn't take us to the Summit League football conference. Shame on him for not scheduling old rivals.

[Mike Vicks Dead PitBulls]

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The Summit League should split away from the MVFC?? Say that to yourself 20 times, heck say it 50 times and see if it makes any more sense.

So let me get this straight:
SDSU
NDSU
WIU
USD
UND
SUU(which will be in the Big Sky within the month, IMO)

MVFC:
UNI
SIU
Indiana State - Red
Indiana State - Blue
Missouri State
Youngstown St.

First of all, I'm sure the NCAA would just be thrilled to give a 5 team league(two of which are fresh out of transition and the other two not far behind) a auto-birth to the playoffs.
Second, we completely lose the name-recognition of the "Missouri Valley"
Third...now we get to worry about filling 6 out-of-conference games??
Fourth...I'm sure UNI and SIU would just bend over backwards to schedule home and homes with all of us every year.

Dumbest idea ever...IMHO. Best case that happens for everyone who want to see us play USD and relive the NCC glory years, is they just let the two clown colleges in and make it an 11 team conference, just like the old Big 10. Not everyone would play everyone every year, but at least we don't "break away" from the MVFC and create essentially another "Great West FB Conference". God, I can't even believe there are people considering this as an option.

Sec310...you sure your not Craig Mattock or his twin??

Go Jacks!!

Not to mention the fact that if any one schools leaves, for whatever reason, the autobid is gone.

[1stRowFANatic]

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Along with previous posts, I don't buy the easier bid to the playoffs line either. IF, the conference got an auto-bid, it is a one-bid league. Any slip-up in conference game means you are almost certainly out of the playoffs. Horrible HORrible HORRIBle HORRRIBLE idea.

[zooropa]

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Along with previous posts, I don't buy the easier bid to the playoffs line either. IF, the conference got an auto-bid, it is a one-bid league. Any slip-up in conference game means you are almost certainly out of the playoffs. Horrible HORrible HORRIBle HORRRIBLE idea.

I mean that strictly in the sense of playing USD & UND instead of SIU and UNI--I prefer a divisional setup, or a sort of twitched up round robin as seen in the 11 team Big Ten.

[Grizzled_Jack]

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If you stuck Wichita, UNO or UCM in with the two UxD's you'd have a pretty good two division, twelve team conference.

[Jacks-02]

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Crazy Friday afternoon wishful thought of the day.

Northern Colorado leaves the Big Sky to join the Summit/MVFC as the 11th/12th member. Southern Utah joins the Big Sky in UNC's place.

MVFC West Division
NDSU
SDSU
USD
UND
UNC
UNI

MVFC East Division
ISU Red
ISU Blue
MSU
SIU
WIU
YSU

Summit League
NDSU/UND
SDSU/USD
ORU/UMKC
IPFW/OU
WIU/IUPUI
UNC

[FargoBison]

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Crazy Friday afternoon wishful thought of the day.

Northern Colorado leaves the Big Sky to join the Summit/MVFC as the 11th/12th member. Southern Utah joins the Big Sky in UNC's place.

MVFC West Division
NDSU
SDSU
USD
UND
UNC
UNI

MVFC East Division
ISU Red
ISU Blue
MSU
SIU
WIU
YSU

Summit League
NDSU/UND
SDSU/USD
ORU/UMKC
IPFW/OU
WIU/IUPUI
UNC

Add Denver to the Summit and it would be looking pretty good.